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mike65 · 26-11-2008 11:20AM

Molley is now not required to go before the committee, but he may be asked to it seems.

Mike

senordingdong · 26-11-2008 11:30AM

Nothing will come of it.
It will all be forgotten about by Christmas.

In any other country a worker or public servant who did something like this would be jailed. Here they go into politics.

What was the total sum of money that Bertie pocketed? And where is he now?

Mr.Applepie · 26-11-2008 12:06PM

spadder wrote: »

I now want to know why Cowen was backing this gimp yesterday.

Because he is a personally known to Cowen. Friends should always stick by friends

mikemac · 26-11-2008 12:09PM

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

The blood letting should only be starting with the following people next:

- CEO's & chairmen of all the main Irish owned banks who have brought the country to its knees in debt through bad management; need to go right now before re-capitalisation, as happened in Britian.

Tbh, if I was a bank chairman and let the share price collapse 95% in 18 months I'd expect to be lynched at the AGM.

Before the government even got involved they should have been sacked by the shareholders.
And many of the shareholders are pension funds so they can't afford to be losing their assets.

Dinter · 26-11-2008 12:56PM

snyper wrote: »

exactly.

More red top media driven "scandal"

Fodder for the dumb.

If I was a politician I would love this attitude. It's the most introverted, backward, head in the sand way of looking at things. Good governance should go out the window basically because the tabloids are pushing the story?

The dumb are the people who are presented with a chain of facts and then due to their gullibility look frantically around for some other way of explaining them that doesn't involve them thinking or using their own mind.

snyper wrote: »

The sooner people realise that ireland is a pimple on the scales of world economies and when these ppl realise that irelands success is entirely based on the prosperity and strendth of other nations the better.

The sooner people realise that a world recession can impact a country with many and varied degrees of intensity depending on how that country is prepared the better it'll be for everyone. The sooner people actually research a subject before dismissing it out of hand as some sort of affront the better. The sooner that people realise that it's false logic to stand amongst the wreckage of our econmomy and attribute it all to outside influences the better.

lost marbles · 26-11-2008 01:02PM

nothing will come of this .it will all be a nine day wonder ,naughty boy slap on the back of those well manacured hands .heres a nice little /big [keep your mouth shut] pay off .now off you go and take early retirement .
i believe it cost 1000e to get the information under the freedom of information act .:mad:
well done mr ross .
time for a few more government depts to pay the piper

Des Hynes · 26-11-2008 01:10PM

The gall of Biffo defending him.

Both from Birr,Co Offaly.

Aidric · 26-11-2008 01:14PM

It's all well and good Molloy resigning but we have to prevent future abuse of public funds. I call for a full audit to be undertaken on Mary Harney's food expense claims.

ejmaztec · 26-11-2008 01:18PM

Aidric wrote: »

It's all well and good Molloy resigning but we have to prevent future abuse of public funds. I call for a full audit to be undertaken on Mary Harney's food expense claims.

Yep, that would cover the cervical cancer jab cost, for the entire Northern Hemisphere.

ScumLord · 26-11-2008 01:53PM

Excellent, Irelands doomed. I couldn't be happier.

mike65 · 26-11-2008 01:55PM

And he will get a severance pakage to boot!

Mike

ejmaztec · 26-11-2008 02:23PM

What's needed is an Eliot Ness style half-psychopath half-auditor to rip into all of these places with biros blazing to clean up the whole system. The budget deficit would disappear in a thrice.

spadder · 26-11-2008 02:32PM

Dan Boyle now on newstalk defending Brian cowen's decision to back Malloy.

typical green response

kevmy · 26-11-2008 03:10PM

senordingdong wrote: »

Nothing will come of it.
It will all be forgotten about by Christmas.

In any other country a worker or public servant who did something like this would be jailed. Here they go into politics.

What was the total sum of money that Bertie pocketed? And where is he now?

Don't see why he should be jailed. Yeah he wasted public money in a gross way but AFAIK he done nothing illegal.
The whole expenses thing should have been tightened up before now but everyone had money and no one cared. There was some 'guidelines' but no rules for semi state bodies.

spadder wrote: »

Dan Boyle now on newstalk defending Brian cowen's decision to back Malloy.

typical green response

Green's sold their spineless souls for a Mars bar, half a bag of Tayto and whatever was in Noel Dempsey's back pocket after the last election. Why expect them to grow a pair now?

FlutterinBantam · 26-11-2008 06:15PM

kevmy wrote: »

Don't see why he should be jailed. Yeah he wasted public money in a gross way but AFAIK he done nothing illegal.
The whole expenses thing should have been tightened up before now but everyone had money and no one cared. There was some 'guidelines' but no rules for semi state bodies.

Green's sold their spineless souls for a Mars bar, half a bag of Tayto and whatever was in Noel Dempsey's back pocket after the last election. Why expect them to grow a pair now?

Kev, there is a thing known as personal integrity.
It means that a person in a position of power sometimes needs to "police" themselves and adopt a position trust.
While nothing illegal was done,I would opine that the gentleman operated at the edge of the acceptable envelope,and I for one take grave offence that my tax revenue is used in that manner.
I expect someone on €200k of your? and my taxes to fcuking have a bit more integrity than he showed.

i_love_toast · 27-11-2008 01:02AM

FAS can do good work but they and they governemt havnt acted on something that they really shoud do straight away.

An apprentice on Fas gets around 200-230e or what ever a week when they are in college.when the company goes bust thats putting them through fas they no longer cant be put through college ie they student is now unemployed.so when someone goes unemployed they go on the dole.

the dole is arround 204e as far as i know.these people who were in fas now have no apprenticeship as they havnt finished their course so they cant even go abroad to work as they have nothing to show for their training as they havnt completed it yet.

It would be WAY smarter for the governemt to pay for those people in their final or what ever year in fas to finish their training and get a qualification for the same money they will be paying them when there on the dole sitting around all day watching dr phil.So when the economy does pick up and they need qualified tradesmen they are ready to work instead of having to finish off there fas training.

something that should be in place right away!

Supermanscat · 27-11-2008 04:23AM

Where'd my post go??

Terry · 27-11-2008 10:59AM

Supermanscat wrote: »

Where'd my post go??

I deleted it.
There was no evidence to back it up and the font size you used was ridiculously large.

thebman · 27-11-2008 11:40AM

Raquel Square Songbird wrote: »

I am sure most of you would reply with "Nah stick me in a 2 star B&B and we can fly economy too" if asked. Pfft, it's a waste of money but it's not his fault. I would have flown business class and stayed in the merrion too. So would most of ye So shhh!!!

I don't remember the tax payers asking him.

kevmy · 27-11-2008 12:42PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Kev, there is a thing known as personal integrity.
It means that a person in a position of power sometimes needs to "police" themselves and adopt a position trust.
While nothing illegal was done,I would opine that the gentleman operated at the edge of the acceptable envelope,and I for one take grave offence that my tax revenue is used in that manner.
I expect someone on €200k of your? and my taxes to fcuking have a bit more integrity than he showed.

Totally agree.

I was only talking about it from a legal standpoint. There was no proper rules, laws or regulations regarding this, only guidelines. So I can't see any reason why he should go to jail. It's like someone being extremely rude to you, it's not nice, it shouldn't happen and it reflects very badly on the person who did it but it's not illegal.

I think he did act improperly and he did take the piss. BUT people will always do this kind of malarkey if they are let. On the law of averages if you take 10 people in the street at least 2 will be idiots and 2 more will screw you if given the chance.

If everyone behaved as they should there would be no need for laws but since you can't trust people you must have laws.

I suppose what I'm saying is the government (and previous governments - but considering in essence this one has been on the go for 11.5 years, we'll just blame them) must take some of the blame for not bothering checking up on expenses and not bothering to enact some proper legislation governing this

FlutterinBantam · 27-11-2008 12:49PM

yeah, good post Kev but for me anyway the bottom line is, I expect people of CEO status on 200k pa to have the self restraint to ensure that if they are entitled to certain privileges, they ensure that those entitlements are properly channeled to the furtherance of the Company they work for,and not personal aggrandisment for themselves ,their clients and friends.

A very good judge of people is how they handle power.

SoupyNorman · 27-11-2008 01:24PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I expect someone on €200k of your? and my taxes to fcuking have a bit more integrity than he showed.

I think those irksome boobs in Government are trying to skirt the issue as much as possible. They thrive on their lavish expense accounts which top-up their already high salaries..It's a disgrace.

It's corruption, not Tony Soprano style but worse. Its unwritten rule corruption, rotten to the core...'The lads' in the bar. The only difference between the Haughy days and today is new undetectable (for the moment) ways have been found to do 'business'. It will never change, the job requires the most brazen faced ignoramuses in the country. Nobody gets sacked...People step down with full pensions and balloon payments. Watching Enda Kenny throw the FAS accusations across at FF as if ha had made the discovery was vomit inducing, He's like something out of the 1930's, hand on the hip...pointing with his parchment. All the while receiving expenses no doubt...Brainless birk.

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