Hash making me paranoid?

studiorat · 24-11-2008 01:13AM

Cannabis can induce psychosis in some users. I've heard a good few stories over the years...
http://priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

Take it as a warning.

FYI, grass, hashish, kif etc all contain THC which is the drug that actually does the work. It's pretty much the same don't let anyone tell you different.

Kold · 24-11-2008 01:13AM

miss no stars wrote: »

Everyone here should get a grip on themselves.

Hash is ILLEGAL. Simple as. The OP has already experienced some of its negative effects. Paranoia from hash is not uncommon, which can in turn lead to paranoid schizophrenia.

People should stop arguing the detail.

Bottom line is: OP, get off the drugs. They're illegal and you could mess your life up irreversibly.

Mods? Thread lock?

We're giving advice, not informing him of the law. I'd imagine he was aware of that before he posted.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 24-11-2008 01:18AM

miss no stars wrote: »

Everyone here should get a grip on themselves.

Hash is ILLEGAL. Simple as. The OP has already experienced some of its negative effects. Paranoia from hash is not uncommon, which can in turn lead to paranoid schizophrenia.

People should stop arguing the detail.

Bottom line is: OP, get off the drugs. They're illegal and you could mess your life up irreversibly.

Mods? Thread lock?

The issue of paranoid schizophrenia is a whole can of worms which has been dealt with ad nauseum in other threads and there seems to be no proof of whether it is cannabis which causes it or whether people with it are predisposed to consuming cannabis.

Correlation, not causation, is the only thing which has been observed.

But as I said, can of worms...

FionnMatthew · 24-11-2008 01:27AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

afaik there is no scientific evidence that says smoking hash makes you paranoid.

http://www.ukcia.org/research/can-psychosis.htm
http://web4health.info/en/answers/add-cannabis-paranoia.htm
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-12159166.html
http://priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

To name but a drop in the ocean.

minidazzler · 24-11-2008 01:27AM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Cuz the rest of the things are consequences of being lazy. If you're smoking too much of it regularly you'll end up becoming really lazy, you'll stop giving a crap about your college/job etc. and as a result you'll end up screwing up your life unless you realise what you're doing and get off the weed to fix yourself back.

Now this doesn't happen to a lot of people, many grow up and give up the weed before they do any serious damage to their lives. But a lot of people do end up in that circle and screw up their lives...

And so can drink. Except that might just make you immensly incompetent.

To Miss No Stars,

Hash probably didn't cause the Paranoid Schitzophrenia, most likely a catalyst if anything.

I don't and won't take drugs, aside from Alcohol, but, I know many people who do so I will say a few things.

Cannabis does make people paranoid. Not everyone but alot of people get at least a little paranoid. So OP you have a choice, either keep smoking it or quit.

miss no stars · 24-11-2008 01:28AM

HashSlinging wrote: »

Maybe only smoke herb.

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Smoking mary jane can have some very good effects for people. In some countries it is used for medicimal purposes. It can relax some people who suffer from anxiety.

Alcohol and nicotene are more dangerous drugs. Only differance is that the government can make a pretty penny off these two drugs without causing much arousal within the media and public eye.

Mary jane is not chemicaly addictive. Contrary to an uneducated posters statement. Alcohol has more of a negative effect on people than mary jane does. I could go on and on and on, but some of you people are just too ignorant to accept anything else.

Most people have been posting saying to get off it, however, I've noticed that some of the advice seems to have a distinctly pro-cannibas slant to it, though, like justifying it as being no more harmful than niccotine or alcohol. I think the OPs question was answered and I personally think there's a lot of potential for this to go down a not so great route.

Drugs are bad for you. Nobody here has stated their opinion as a medical professional (nor should they really) so for people to be giving advice along the lines of what I've quoted above is outrageous. If there are negative effects from it, let them be known and advise to get off drugs. It's dodgy.

(Kold, it wasn't an attack on you, I just think it's a bit silly to be dragging this out any further. The less airtime the pro-druggies get the better)

miss no stars · 24-11-2008 01:30AM

minidazzler wrote: »

To Miss No Stars,

Hash probably didn't cause the Paranoid Schitzophrenia, most likely a catalyst if anything.

I know, there needs to be a genetic predisposition along with conditions that encourage the development. However, Hash was that catalyst. Maybe it would have developed anyway, but there's also a pretty good chance it wouldn't have. But it remains that Hash is a trigger for it. Who wants to take that chance?

af_thefragile · 24-11-2008 01:31AM

To minidazzer: Never said alcohol is any better than cannabis.
If anything its worse and has more serious negative health and psychological effects.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 24-11-2008 01:32AM

Been "smoking" for about 10 years, been drinking and smoking tobacco a lot longer. I do not feel the need to smoke weed. I am not psychotic, suffer from paranoia or have a messed up life. Each case is differant to each person. You cannot say that cannibis IS going to mess your life up, or make you a schitzo.

Alcohol has messed up more lives than cannibis will ever. Yet it is somehow legal.

Thanks for the link af_thefragile, maybe that will shed some light on the situation.

It's the same as somebody saying "I get violent when I drink, should I stop drinking?" Obviously... you linked a problem directly to something that you do. Stop it.

Kold · 24-11-2008 01:36AM

miss no stars wrote: »

Most people have been posting saying to get off it, however, I've noticed that some of the advice seems to have a distinctly pro-cannibas slant to it, though, like justifying it as being no more harmful than niccotine or alcohol. I think the OPs question was answered and I personally think there's a lot of potential for this to go down a not so great route.

Drugs are bad for you. Nobody here has stated their opinion as a medical professional (nor should they really) so for people to be giving advice along the lines of what I've quoted above is outrageous. If there are negative effects from it, let them be known and advise to get off drugs. It's dodgy.

(Kold, it wasn't an attack on you, I just think it's a bit silly to be dragging this out any further. The less airtime the pro-druggies get the better)

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The negative effects are all out there. It's bad practice to give only one side of an argument which is effectively what you're doing. You are betraying someone's trust when you tell them that you're educating them about something but only give them half the story.

Some of us have a great time smoking, some of us are very successful with it. If the OP came here looking for legal advice, or the same lecture that he got in secondary school then well done. The fact is, when someone hears that weed will destroy your life and then tries it, that person thinks 'Wait, what else have they lied to me about?' Especially when the person that says that drinks. It's pure hypocrisy.

I'm not saying everyone should spark up. I'm just saying that you're not saying anything new, and it really sounds like you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I might be wrong but it's what I read.

af_thefragile · 24-11-2008 01:38AM

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Alcohol has messed up more lives than cannibis will ever. Yet it is somehow legal.

^Culture is the excuse people use to legally consume alcohol.
Also a lot of politicians have a lot of investments in many big alcohol businesses and they'll never let alcohol be made illegal or anything as such.
But that is no way related to this thread. Maybe some other thread(s) but not this one. And its a completely different topic.

Davei141 · 24-11-2008 01:39AM

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

t's the same as somebody saying "I get violent when I drink, should I stop drinking?" Obviously... you linked a problem directly to something that you do. Stop it.

Thats exactly it. If it effects you OP then stop. Same with anything, drinking dairy/drinking alcohol/smoking weed.

To miss no stars and your "drugs are bad" simplistic rubbish, I have news for you, nobody cares. Your black and white view of things show you have no clue about what your talking about. Big LOL to the "Stop cause its ILLEGAL!" oh how innocent.

Edited

Looks like Kold got there before me.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-11-2008 01:48AM

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote:

Alcohol has messed up more lives than cannibis will ever. Yet it is somehow legal.

Meh, so has feminism. If as many people smoked weed as regularly as they drink alcohol we'd be seeing a lot more related problems.

We're all getting banned by the way, though I do feel the need to point out discrepencies in your logic when the thread was started by someone with a hash related problem.

estar · 24-11-2008 01:49AM

cannabis has medical uses. like alcohol can be used to clean out a wound but can also be terribly addictive. there are loads of studies in the UK linking cannabis to psychosis (permanent) in people who have a weakness to paranoia. its all about knowing yourself and how it makes you feel. personally i wouldnt touch the stuff. however if it gives pain relief to someone, i wouldnt hold it against them.

be careful. your mental health is not a toy, to take chances with. if you have this feeling, listen now, or perhaps regret it later. paranoia is a terrible affliction. Cannabis also does affect short term memory. and there are studies to show this.

find some other way to relax. these things are a distractor from your potential as a human being, generally. listen to what your body and mind are telling you.

estar · 24-11-2008 01:59AM

the stop because its illegal - technically you are funding criminals by buying it who might be small time - but lead to big time, and that means murderers who ruin communities and cause great poverty and suffering both here and in third world countries all over the world. and that is in the words of the victims of gangs the world over. look at areas in limerick. just a small point but one that must be considered.

i would have nothing against cannabis being prescribed for medicinal purposes. unless it was legal the world over, i wouldnt have it legalised here as it would encourage drug tourism, a model which didnt really work in netherlands and they are moving away from.

i do agree that alcohol also wrecks lives and mental health and is legal. but it is the world over. there is hypocrisy there in terms of its promotion and acceptance. and i believe that licensing hours should be cut, and higher % alcohols be taxed into luxury. they are a menace, particularly the acceptance and tolerance of drinking loads of shots. they should not be sold like that. so dangerous!!

anyway to get back to the OP

some people suffer far more from taking drugs generally than others. there are no general rules. there are many people who will tell you cannabis is fine - but do you want to run the risk of being one of the people who will tell you the damage it has done that cannot be undone. inform yourself and know the risks.

good luck.

DeVore · 24-11-2008 01:59AM

Just because the politicians are hypocrites about the alcohol/nicotine thing, doesnt make grass any better.

THC can cause paranoia in some cases and not in others (in my experience).

If you are already a paranoid person then you've answered your own question, you need to get off it.

A key point people have missed is that you say you smoke when you drink usually but that time you didnt. Well, canabis combines with alcohol to create alcannaboids which have a different effect on the psyche.

I asked my doctor about the use of weed and while she wasnt all out against it... well, its not vitamins now is it? According to her, it decreases in strength as usage continues because receptors in the brain where it normally functions are overwhelmed which leads to the effect that after a heavy couple of nights, it becomes more diffcult to get high and you need to smoke more etc.

I gave up nicotine and joints a while back and it didnt bother me about the joints (except that i'm a naturally hyper person and sometimes a joint chills me out) but the nicotine nearly killed me. I was shocked how addicted I was to nicotine, outright addiction.

OP, I think you are just one of those people who shouldnt smoke and look, I know it seems like all the cool kids are doing it but on balance I would say it hada neutral affect on my life. For all the good times I had on weed (and boy I had them), there are things I regret now and wish I hadnt been smoking during that time of my life.

You already know what you should do, you're just looking for affirmation from us and thats ok, but really... we arent you and only you know best but it certainly seems like you arent a person who should use it.

DeV.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 24-11-2008 02:26AM

I would like to start a new topic in another forum, about what we are debating. Most of us are talking about our beliefs and what not but not helping the OP so much. I will post it in the After Hours section (I don't know where else to post it) It's going to be a debate about the differance between Marajuana and Alcohol. Not the legalities, not about nicotine etc etc.

Please let us further this discussion there.

OP will you let us know how you are getting on? If you have decided to quit etc etc

Thanks

monty_python · 24-11-2008 02:46AM

miss no stars wrote: »

I know someone who developed paranoid schizophrenia from it. Stop messing around and being an idiot. ditch the hash before you end up in an asylum or killing someone (or both).

dont be silly...... the person you know must have had pior underlying problems and the hash brought it out...

monty_python · 24-11-2008 02:49AM

Unregistered wrote: »

But why have has it never effected me before ? i usually smoke it in flats with friends while drinking. I am not while into it i smoke it more out of nervousness eg something to do

I only noticed it effected me when i smoked it during the day without drink and took a walk through the town i thought everyone was looking at me

dude.... weed/hash is a mental stimulant. it makes your think alot more about the things you normally think about. because your a naturally paranoid person you just got more paranoid. do yourself a favour and only smoke it when at home and no need to go out

monty_python · 24-11-2008 02:50AM

Kold wrote: »

OP, some strains will make you more paranoid than others. I found myself getting very paranoid in the past as one of the effects marajuana has is to distort your thought patterns and make you overthink things. My advice is to not smoke in uncomfortable situations. Marajuana is one of the best ways to spend an evening within a confined group but it isn't the most social drug.

Then again, if you still feel paranoid amongst people you trust maybe it's more to do with you.

agree 100%:D

monty_python · 24-11-2008 02:52AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

herb these days is insanely strong and makes people far more paranoid than soap.

yes... your right.... but here in ireland we only get the worst weed.. the best never makes it into this country so your comment is invaild to the op

Nevyn · 24-11-2008 02:57AM

Can we get this back on topic please and take the debates to humanities or bio&med please.

monty_python · 24-11-2008 02:58AM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Cuz the rest of the things are consequences of being lazy. If you're smoking too much of it regularly you'll end up becoming really lazy, you'll stop giving a crap about your college/job etc. and as a result you'll end up screwing up your life unless you realise what you're doing and get off the weed to fix yourself back.

Now this doesn't happen to a lot of people, many grow up and give up the weed before they do any serious damage to their lives. But a lot of people do end up in that circle and screw up their lives...

your bang on the mark there mate!!!!!!!!

Daithio · 24-11-2008 03:14AM

I used to smoke every day for about 2 years, and it definitely made me paranoid and extremely unhappy. I also didn't dream for that entire two years, or if I did I never once remembered them. In fact that was one of the best things about giving up, I started to dream again!

At the time I didn't realise how miserable I was, but when I quit the change in my personality was incredible. Some people can handle smoking alot, but others can't, and if you're a naturally paranoid/ nervous person, you definitely should not be smoking dope. It will almost certainly exacerbate the problem.

I think debating these effects is pretty futile, obviously different people get effected in different ways, and some people should smoke and some shouldn't. Same as alcohol, coffee, or any other drug.

As regards its addictiveness, smoked alone neither hash nor weed is addictive, afaik. But smoking hash in joints with tobacco and no filter is extremely addictive, and an awful lot of Irish people are addicted to hash in this way.

Daithio · 24-11-2008 03:16AM

And as regards the illegality argument, just because something is illegal, that doesn't make it wrong. If there was a law prohibiting drinking water, would you obey it?

briandy · 24-11-2008 09:41AM

http://www.ukcia.org/research/can.

togster · 24-11-2008 09:51AM

it depends on the person. I stopped smoking a couple of years ago. i had become lazy and un-interested. Over the past year i smoked infrequently but i have become very paranoid to the point where i feel my heart is going to explode. So i had to stop.

Zulu · 24-11-2008 10:14AM

OP I spent a long time smoking hash, and developing a nice addiction to it.
Initally I didn't notice the paranioa creeping in, but it got so bad, in the end I could only smoke on my own.
And I did. Daily. For years.
I took ages for me to recognise I was addicted, and it took as long to give up. Thankfully I no longer smoke. I can't.

BTW, it's also totally destroyed my memory. Shame that cause there are people no longer with me I can remember very liitle about.

Do you self a favour and stop smoking. I know it's hard; it's still a struggle for me to say no to a joint thats passed to me in a party, but you'll be happier for it in the long run.
Good luck.

Handsome Bob · 24-11-2008 10:18AM

Unregistered wrote: »

But why have has it never effected me before ? i usually smoke it in flats with friends while drinking. I am not while into it i smoke it more out of nervousness eg something to do

I only noticed it effected me when i smoked it during the day without drink and took a walk through the town i thought everyone was looking at me

That's probably it man; you're not as paranoid then because you are around familiar surroundings and are at ease with yourself. But now that you've taken to smoking it on your own your levels of paranoia will increase when you are amongst unfamiliar surroundings i.e. if you go out after smoking it and are in a busy area.

Faith · 24-11-2008 11:31AM

Right, I'm going to ignore the useless debate about whether hash is good or bad and just answer the OP's questions.

Unregistered wrote: »

But why have has it never effected me before ? i usually smoke it in flats with friends while drinking. I am not while into it i smoke it more out of nervousness eg something to do

I only noticed it effected me when i smoked it during the day without drink and took a walk through the town i thought everyone was looking at me

When you're drinking with friends, you're probably more relaxed. You're in a confined space where everyone is doing the same as you. You said you smoke out of nervousness - thus, the hash probably makes you relaxed. I believe a lot of the effects drugs have on you have to do with your mind-set. For example, I'd never try LSD because I'm so convinced that it would make me go crazy. Even if the drug didn't have that effect on me, I'm sure my mind would make me think it did, if you get me? So you take a smoke and your aim is to relax and overcome nervousness - this is probably what will happen.

Meanwhile, if you smoke on your own, particularly the first few times you do it, you're probably unsure of what you're doing. You're out of your comfort zone with regards to hash. You're probably nervous that it will have a negative effect on you this time. Ergo, it does. Furthermore, walking around town while stoned means that you're surrounded by other people who're not. Of course you're going to wonder if they know you're stoned, if they know you use drugs. This will all contribute to the paranoia.

Unregistered wrote: »

i didnt say i was addicted and ididnt say it was defintely making me paranoid(someone else posted unregistered). i think i might have mental health issues just wondered if it was making me more paranoid than i already am

I'm generally pro-cannabis, so I say this without agenda: Stop smoking. Yes, cannabis causes and exacerbates paranoia, and there is plenty of evidence that it was also exacerbates mental disorders. Mental health is not easy to fix, don't fúck around with it.

Hash making me paranoid?

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