Hash making me paranoid?

LegacyUser

if i am drinking i often smoke hash however i never smoke it otherwise. I have never noticed any ill effects. Recently i did smoke it on its own. However i got very paranoid and thought everyone was looking at me. I am a very paranoid person anyway but was wondering could the hash be effecting me without me noticing? or in the long term?

Faith

One of the side effects of cannabis is paranoia. It happens to some more than others. I have friends who won't touch hash because it makes them so paranoid. If you're naturally paranoid, it's likely that smoking hash could exacerbate this.

HashSlinging

Hash will make you paranoid, I'd suggest not using it if you are already paranoid . Maybe only smoke herb.

projectmayhem

If anything has a negative adverse effect on you, just stop. Don't even ask for advice on how to curb it. Just stop. There are no real benefits to smoking the stuff, and it's obviously not having any positive impact on your social life, so there's no reason to do it.

LegacyUser

Lately it has made me ridiculously paranoid, never used to happen before.

No real interest though these days, its more of a kids thing tbh.

miss no stars

I know someone who developed paranoid schizophrenia from it. Stop messing around and being an idiot. ditch the hash before you end up in an asylum or killing someone (or both).

Kintarō Hattori

As Faith has said one of the side effects of hash is to make you paranoid. As you're a naturally paranoid person don't you think the obvious thing would be to give it up?

af_thefragile

It probably is.
Remember kids, no matter what anyone says, drugs are always bad for you. Mmm kay?!

LegacyUser

But why have has it never effected me before ? i usually smoke it in flats with friends while drinking. I am not while into it i smoke it more out of nervousness eg something to do

I only noticed it effected me when i smoked it during the day without drink and took a walk through the town i thought everyone was looking at me

Chucky the tree

afaik there is no scientific evidence that says smoking hash makes you paranoid.

Kold

OP, some strains will make you more paranoid than others. I found myself getting very paranoid in the past as one of the effects marajuana has is to distort your thought patterns and make you overthink things. My advice is to not smoke in uncomfortable situations. Marajuana is one of the best ways to spend an evening within a confined group but it isn't the most social drug.

Then again, if you still feel paranoid amongst people you trust maybe it's more to do with you.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Chucky the tree wrote: »

afaik there is no scientific evidence that says smoking hash makes you paranoid.

Well it does. And as far as I know you're incorrect.

hashslinging wrote:

Hash will make you paranoid, I'd suggest not using it if you are already paranoid . Maybe only smoke herb.

Are you talking about the weed from the film american beauty that's genetically engineered? Cop on, herb these days is insanely strong and makes people far more paranoid than soap.

Mr. Incognito

Chucky the tree wrote: »

afaik there is no scientific evidence that says smoking hash makes you paranoid.

You sound like one of those smoking ads in the 60's

Anyone that has been around hash knows that it affects some people in this way. My father was an addict for 40 years and all it did really for him was stick him to the couch. No paranoia, but if you're naturally paranoid leave the stuff alone.

af_thefragile

Chucky the tree wrote: »

afaik there is no scientific evidence that says smoking hash makes you paranoid.

I love how whenever there's a discussion about marijuana someone comes along to defend it by saying there's no scientific evidence that says hash is harmful in anyway.

I've seen a couple of very close friends of mine screw up their lives over hash, i know its a very destructive drug even though it seems harmless. It'll make you very lazy, it'll make you very disinterested in life, it could make you paranoid, it'll make you slowly screw your life over if you stick to it.

Don't wanna turn this into a debate about marijuana but hash is not a completely safe drug. It is addicting (not as addicting as nicotine and alcohol but still pretty addictive) and it does create a few long term psychological effects.

Kold

af_thefragile wrote: »

I've seen a couple of very close friends of mine screw up their lives over hash, i know its a very destructive drug even though it seems harmless. It'll make you very lazy, it'll make you very disinterested in life, it could make you paranoid, it'll make you slowly screw your life over if you stick to it.

This is not fact and I'd appreciate if you wouldn't state it as if it was.

unhappycamper

As you get older and even more intellectual your paranoia may evolve into schizophrenia. Be careful OP and mind yourself. Drugs of this type or any for that matter may not suite your personality so take things slow for a while and stay off hash and especially stay away from weed. You might just be fine the way you are without it!

Or:

Don't take my advice and work it all out for yourself.

af_thefragile

Kold wrote: »

This is not fact and I'd appreciate if you wouldn't state it as if it was.

I'm sure everyone will agree hash makes you lazy.
Its not a scientific fact but thats what hash does!

Pete4779

To clear up this issue around paranoia:

Caspi et al. Biol Psychiatry. 2005 May 15;57(10):1117-27.
Van Winkel R et al. Am J Med Genet B Neuropsychiatr Genet. 2008 Jan 5;147B(1):10-7.
Van Winkel R et al. Eur Psychiatry. 2008 Apr;23(3):219-22. Epub 2008 Mar 6.
Stefanis NC et al. Psychol Med. 2007 Nov;37(11):1651-6.


You're chance of getting paranoid or psychotic depend on a few factors and one of them is genetic. This is why some people smoke with no problems and others have many.

You need to smoke cannabis infrequently and have the val158met genotype to have the elevated risk of paranoia and psychosis.

So yeah, there is scientific evidence backing up this

Kold

af_thefragile wrote: »

I'm sure everyone will agree hash makes you lazy.
Its not a scientific fact but thats what hash does!

You'll notice that I didn't just quote the laziness thing, I quoted the entire bs paragraph.

af_thefragile

Kold wrote: »

You'll notice that I didn't just quote the laziness thing, I quoted the entire bs paragraph.

Cuz the rest of the things are consequences of being lazy. If you're smoking too much of it regularly you'll end up becoming really lazy, you'll stop giving a crap about your college/job etc. and as a result you'll end up screwing up your life unless you realise what you're doing and get off the weed to fix yourself back.

Now this doesn't happen to a lot of people, many grow up and give up the weed before they do any serious damage to their lives. But a lot of people do end up in that circle and screw up their lives...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Unregistered wrote: »

Lately it has made me ridiculously paranoid, never used to happen before.

No real interest though these days, its more of a kids thing tbh.

Oh? It is???

I see a lot of ignorant missguided and uneducated responses on this thread... Pfft...!

Mary Jane can make you paranoid, it's not good for you to smoke it if you are naturally paranoid. Do stop it...

Smoking mary jane can have some very good effects for people. In some countries it is used for medicimal purposes. It can relax some people who suffer from anxiety.

Alcohol and nicotene are more dangerous drugs. Only differance is that the government can make a pretty penny off these two drugs without causing much arousal within the media and public eye.

Mary jane is not chemicaly addictive. Contrary to an uneducated posters statement. Alcohol has more of a negative effect on people than mary jane does. I could go on and on and on, but some of you people are just too ignorant to accept anything else.

Kold

af_thefragile wrote: »

Cuz the rest of the things are consequences of being lazy. If you're smoking too much of it regularly you'll end up becoming really lazy, you'll stop giving a crap about your college/job etc. and as a result you'll end up screwing up your life unless you realise what you're doing and get off the weed to fix yourself back.

I'm sorry, what? I've smoked quite a lot in my day and I just have to tell you you're talking utter b*llocks.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

af_thefragile wrote: »

Cuz the rest of the things are consequences of being lazy. If you're smoking too much of it regularly you'll end up becoming really lazy, you'll stop giving a crap about your college/job etc. and as a result you'll end up screwing up your life unless you realise what you're doing and get off the weed to fix yourself back.

Who tells you these things? Weed can definately relax you but christ, it's not going to ruin your life. Look at alcohol, that has a really bad impact on peoples lives. I would think that the amount of sick days relating to alcohol is pretty high.

You cannot blame weed for making you lazy...

Anyway, goodluck with "getting off the weed" op, I know there are some clinics in dublin that help hash addicts wein you off the drug. Huge challenge for you. Not sure if you will ever be free from your addiction...

Bottle_of_Smoke

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Oh? It is???

I see a lot of ignorant missguided and uneducated responses on this thread... Pfft...!

Then don't add your own!

Mary jane is not chemicaly addictive. Contrary to an uneducated posters statement. Alcohol has more of a negative effect on people than mary jane does. I could go on and on and on, but some of you people are just too ignorant to accept anything else.

While that is almost certainly true, I notice you didn't add that it is psychologically addictive to lots of people. Seeing as this person is posting that although this drug is making him feel paranoid he still wants to do it. That's a good enough sign for me that he's a candidate.

"gambling is not chemically addictive"

Also OP, smoking hash is a gateway drug to nicotine addiction.

dav nagle

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Oh? It is???

I see a lot of ignorant missguided and uneducated responses on this thread... Pfft...!

Mary Jane can make you paranoid, it's not good for you to smoke it if you are naturally paranoid. Do stop it...

Smoking mary jane can have some very good effects for people. In some countries it is used for medicimal purposes. It can relax some people who suffer from anxiety.

Alcohol and nicotene are more dangerous drugs. Only differance is that the government can make a pretty penny off these two drugs without causing much arousal within the media and public eye.

Mary jane is not chemicaly addictive. Contrary to an uneducated posters statement. Alcohol has more of a negative effect on people than mary jane does. I could go on and on and on, but some of you people are just too ignorant to accept anything else.

I had GAD and smoking heightened my feelings of tension/lack of control/paranoia.

Kold

Unregistered wrote: »

if i am drinking i often smoke hash however i never smoke it otherwise. I have never noticed any ill effects. Recently i did smoke it on its own. However i got very paranoid and thought everyone was looking at me. I am a very paranoid person anyway but was wondering could the hash be effecting me without me noticing? or in the long term?

This in no way suggests any form of dependency to me. I think we'd need a little more to affirm any kind of addiction.


Let me just say this, if all weed was gone in the country, you wouldn't find any less apathy.

unhappycamper

People who think that there is little wrong with smoking believe that mental issues only happen to some people and that they are somehow invincible to negative symptoms. I used to think like that anyway.

af_thefragile

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Mary jane is not chemicaly addictive. Contrary to an uneducated posters statement. Alcohol has more of a negative effect on people than mary jane does. I could go on and on and on, but some of you people are just too ignorant to accept anything else.

Check out this wiki link (as i don't know how to insert pics in my posts).
It shows how Cannabis, not as much as alcohol and nicotine, is addictive and harmful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

Bottle_of_Smoke

af_thefragile wrote: »

Check out this wiki link (as i don't know how to insert pics in my posts).
It shows how Cannabis, not as much as alcohol and nicotine, is addictive and harmful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

and remember the op more than likely smokes with tobacco and that scale refer's to weed and not hash.

LegacyUser

Kold wrote: »

This in no way suggests any form of dependency to me. I think we'd need a little more to affirm any kind of addiction.


Let me just say this, if all weed was gone in the country, you wouldn't find any less apathy.

i didnt say i was addicted and ididnt say it was defintely making me paranoid(someone else posted unregistered). i think i might have mental health issues just wondered if it was making me more paranoid than i already am

miss no stars

Everyone here should get a grip on themselves.

Hash is ILLEGAL. Simple as. The OP has already experienced some of its negative effects. Paranoia from hash is not uncommon, which can in turn lead to paranoid schizophrenia.

People should stop arguing the detail.

Bottom line is: OP, get off the drugs. They're illegal and you could mess your life up irreversibly.

Mods? Thread lock?

studiorat

Cannabis can induce psychosis in some users. I've heard a good few stories over the years...
http://priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

Take it as a warning.

FYI, grass, hashish, kif etc all contain THC which is the drug that actually does the work. It's pretty much the same don't let anyone tell you different.

Kold

miss no stars wrote: »

Everyone here should get a grip on themselves.

Hash is ILLEGAL. Simple as. The OP has already experienced some of its negative effects. Paranoia from hash is not uncommon, which can in turn lead to paranoid schizophrenia.

People should stop arguing the detail.

Bottom line is: OP, get off the drugs. They're illegal and you could mess your life up irreversibly.

Mods? Thread lock?

We're giving advice, not informing him of the law. I'd imagine he was aware of that before he posted.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

miss no stars wrote: »

Everyone here should get a grip on themselves.

Hash is ILLEGAL. Simple as. The OP has already experienced some of its negative effects. Paranoia from hash is not uncommon, which can in turn lead to paranoid schizophrenia.

People should stop arguing the detail.

Bottom line is: OP, get off the drugs. They're illegal and you could mess your life up irreversibly.

Mods? Thread lock?

The issue of paranoid schizophrenia is a whole can of worms which has been dealt with ad nauseum in other threads and there seems to be no proof of whether it is cannabis which causes it or whether people with it are predisposed to consuming cannabis.

Correlation, not causation, is the only thing which has been observed.

But as I said, can of worms...

FionnMatthew

Chucky the tree wrote: »

afaik there is no scientific evidence that says smoking hash makes you paranoid.

http://www.ukcia.org/research/can-psychosis.htm
http://web4health.info/en/answers/add-cannabis-paranoia.htm
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-12159166.html
http://priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

To name but a drop in the ocean.

minidazzler

af_thefragile wrote: »

Cuz the rest of the things are consequences of being lazy. If you're smoking too much of it regularly you'll end up becoming really lazy, you'll stop giving a crap about your college/job etc. and as a result you'll end up screwing up your life unless you realise what you're doing and get off the weed to fix yourself back.

Now this doesn't happen to a lot of people, many grow up and give up the weed before they do any serious damage to their lives. But a lot of people do end up in that circle and screw up their lives...

And so can drink. Except that might just make you immensly incompetent.


To Miss No Stars,

Hash probably didn't cause the Paranoid Schitzophrenia, most likely a catalyst if anything.



I don't and won't take drugs, aside from Alcohol, but, I know many people who do so I will say a few things.

Cannabis does make people paranoid. Not everyone but alot of people get at least a little paranoid. So OP you have a choice, either keep smoking it or quit.

miss no stars

HashSlinging wrote: »

Maybe only smoke herb.

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Smoking mary jane can have some very good effects for people. In some countries it is used for medicimal purposes. It can relax some people who suffer from anxiety.

Alcohol and nicotene are more dangerous drugs. Only differance is that the government can make a pretty penny off these two drugs without causing much arousal within the media and public eye.

Mary jane is not chemicaly addictive. Contrary to an uneducated posters statement. Alcohol has more of a negative effect on people than mary jane does. I could go on and on and on, but some of you people are just too ignorant to accept anything else.

Most people have been posting saying to get off it, however, I've noticed that some of the advice seems to have a distinctly pro-cannibas slant to it, though, like justifying it as being no more harmful than niccotine or alcohol. I think the OPs question was answered and I personally think there's a lot of potential for this to go down a not so great route.

Drugs are bad for you. Nobody here has stated their opinion as a medical professional (nor should they really) so for people to be giving advice along the lines of what I've quoted above is outrageous. If there are negative effects from it, let them be known and advise to get off drugs. It's dodgy.

(Kold, it wasn't an attack on you, I just think it's a bit silly to be dragging this out any further. The less airtime the pro-druggies get the better)

miss no stars

minidazzler wrote: »

To Miss No Stars,

Hash probably didn't cause the Paranoid Schitzophrenia, most likely a catalyst if anything.

I know, there needs to be a genetic predisposition along with conditions that encourage the development. However, Hash was that catalyst. Maybe it would have developed anyway, but there's also a pretty good chance it wouldn't have. But it remains that Hash is a trigger for it. Who wants to take that chance?

af_thefragile

To minidazzer: Never said alcohol is any better than cannabis.
If anything its worse and has more serious negative health and psychological effects.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Been "smoking" for about 10 years, been drinking and smoking tobacco a lot longer. I do not feel the need to smoke weed. I am not psychotic, suffer from paranoia or have a messed up life. Each case is differant to each person. You cannot say that cannibis IS going to mess your life up, or make you a schitzo.

Alcohol has messed up more lives than cannibis will ever. Yet it is somehow legal.

Thanks for the link af_thefragile, maybe that will shed some light on the situation.

It's the same as somebody saying "I get violent when I drink, should I stop drinking?" Obviously... you linked a problem directly to something that you do. Stop it.

Kold

miss no stars wrote: »

Most people have been posting saying to get off it, however, I've noticed that some of the advice seems to have a distinctly pro-cannibas slant to it, though, like justifying it as being no more harmful than niccotine or alcohol. I think the OPs question was answered and I personally think there's a lot of potential for this to go down a not so great route.

Drugs are bad for you. Nobody here has stated their opinion as a medical professional (nor should they really) so for people to be giving advice along the lines of what I've quoted above is outrageous. If there are negative effects from it, let them be known and advise to get off drugs. It's dodgy.

(Kold, it wasn't an attack on you, I just think it's a bit silly to be dragging this out any further. The less airtime the pro-druggies get the better)

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The negative effects are all out there. It's bad practice to give only one side of an argument which is effectively what you're doing. You are betraying someone's trust when you tell them that you're educating them about something but only give them half the story.

Some of us have a great time smoking, some of us are very successful with it. If the OP came here looking for legal advice, or the same lecture that he got in secondary school then well done. The fact is, when someone hears that weed will destroy your life and then tries it, that person thinks 'Wait, what else have they lied to me about?' Especially when the person that says that drinks. It's pure hypocrisy.

I'm not saying everyone should spark up. I'm just saying that you're not saying anything new, and it really sounds like you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I might be wrong but it's what I read.

af_thefragile

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

Alcohol has messed up more lives than cannibis will ever. Yet it is somehow legal.

^Culture is the excuse people use to legally consume alcohol.
Also a lot of politicians have a lot of investments in many big alcohol businesses and they'll never let alcohol be made illegal or anything as such.
But that is no way related to this thread. Maybe some other thread(s) but not this one. And its a completely different topic.

Davei141

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote: »

t's the same as somebody saying "I get violent when I drink, should I stop drinking?" Obviously... you linked a problem directly to something that you do. Stop it.

Thats exactly it. If it effects you OP then stop. Same with anything, drinking dairy/drinking alcohol/smoking weed.

To miss no stars and your "drugs are bad" simplistic rubbish, I have news for you, nobody cares. Your black and white view of things show you have no clue about what your talking about. Big LOL to the "Stop cause its ILLEGAL!" oh how innocent.

Edited

Looks like Kold got there before me.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Sophia Full AcrossL wrote:

Alcohol has messed up more lives than cannibis will ever. Yet it is somehow legal.

Meh, so has feminism. If as many people smoked weed as regularly as they drink alcohol we'd be seeing a lot more related problems.

We're all getting banned by the way, though I do feel the need to point out discrepencies in your logic when the thread was started by someone with a hash related problem.

estar

cannabis has medical uses. like alcohol can be used to clean out a wound but can also be terribly addictive. there are loads of studies in the UK linking cannabis to psychosis (permanent) in people who have a weakness to paranoia. its all about knowing yourself and how it makes you feel. personally i wouldnt touch the stuff. however if it gives pain relief to someone, i wouldnt hold it against them.

be careful. your mental health is not a toy, to take chances with. if you have this feeling, listen now, or perhaps regret it later. paranoia is a terrible affliction. Cannabis also does affect short term memory. and there are studies to show this.

find some other way to relax. these things are a distractor from your potential as a human being, generally. listen to what your body and mind are telling you.

estar

the stop because its illegal - technically you are funding criminals by buying it who might be small time - but lead to big time, and that means murderers who ruin communities and cause great poverty and suffering both here and in third world countries all over the world. and that is in the words of the victims of gangs the world over. look at areas in limerick. just a small point but one that must be considered.

i would have nothing against cannabis being prescribed for medicinal purposes. unless it was legal the world over, i wouldnt have it legalised here as it would encourage drug tourism, a model which didnt really work in netherlands and they are moving away from.

i do agree that alcohol also wrecks lives and mental health and is legal. but it is the world over. there is hypocrisy there in terms of its promotion and acceptance. and i believe that licensing hours should be cut, and higher % alcohols be taxed into luxury. they are a menace, particularly the acceptance and tolerance of drinking loads of shots. they should not be sold like that. so dangerous!!

anyway to get back to the OP

some people suffer far more from taking drugs generally than others. there are no general rules. there are many people who will tell you cannabis is fine - but do you want to run the risk of being one of the people who will tell you the damage it has done that cannot be undone. inform yourself and know the risks.

good luck.

DeVore

Just because the politicians are hypocrites about the alcohol/nicotine thing, doesnt make grass any better.

THC can cause paranoia in some cases and not in others (in my experience).

If you are already a paranoid person then you've answered your own question, you need to get off it.

A key point people have missed is that you say you smoke when you drink usually but that time you didnt. Well, canabis combines with alcohol to create alcannaboids which have a different effect on the psyche.

I asked my doctor about the use of weed and while she wasnt all out against it... well, its not vitamins now is it? According to her, it decreases in strength as usage continues because receptors in the brain where it normally functions are overwhelmed which leads to the effect that after a heavy couple of nights, it becomes more diffcult to get high and you need to smoke more etc.

I gave up nicotine and joints a while back and it didnt bother me about the joints (except that i'm a naturally hyper person and sometimes a joint chills me out) but the nicotine nearly killed me. I was shocked how addicted I was to nicotine, outright addiction.

OP, I think you are just one of those people who shouldnt smoke and look, I know it seems like all the cool kids are doing it but on balance I would say it hada neutral affect on my life. For all the good times I had on weed (and boy I had them), there are things I regret now and wish I hadnt been smoking during that time of my life.

You already know what you should do, you're just looking for affirmation from us and thats ok, but really... we arent you and only you know best but it certainly seems like you arent a person who should use it.

DeV.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I would like to start a new topic in another forum, about what we are debating. Most of us are talking about our beliefs and what not but not helping the OP so much. I will post it in the After Hours section (I don't know where else to post it) It's going to be a debate about the differance between Marajuana and Alcohol. Not the legalities, not about nicotine etc etc.

Please let us further this discussion there.

OP will you let us know how you are getting on? If you have decided to quit etc etc Thanks

monty_python

miss no stars wrote: »

I know someone who developed paranoid schizophrenia from it. Stop messing around and being an idiot. ditch the hash before you end up in an asylum or killing someone (or both).

dont be silly...... the person you know must have had pior underlying problems and the hash brought it out...

monty_python

Unregistered wrote: »

But why have has it never effected me before ? i usually smoke it in flats with friends while drinking. I am not while into it i smoke it more out of nervousness eg something to do

I only noticed it effected me when i smoked it during the day without drink and took a walk through the town i thought everyone was looking at me

dude.... weed/hash is a mental stimulant. it makes your think alot more about the things you normally think about. because your a naturally paranoid person you just got more paranoid. do yourself a favour and only smoke it when at home and no need to go out

monty_python

Kold wrote: »

OP, some strains will make you more paranoid than others. I found myself getting very paranoid in the past as one of the effects marajuana has is to distort your thought patterns and make you overthink things. My advice is to not smoke in uncomfortable situations. Marajuana is one of the best ways to spend an evening within a confined group but it isn't the most social drug.

Then again, if you still feel paranoid amongst people you trust maybe it's more to do with you.

agree 100%:D