Council tenants to get apartments in "The Grange"

ronbyrne2005 · 13-11-2008 02:21PM #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/property/2008/1113/1226408579412.html

Ireland's premier apartment block to house council tenants. Those who paid 500k for a 2bed not happy! :pac:

stovelid · 13-11-2008 02:27PM

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

Those who paid 500k for a 2bed not sane! :pac:

Fixed your post.

Berty · 13-11-2008 02:29PM

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/property/2008/1113/1226408579412.html

Ireland's premier apartment block to house council tenants. Those who paid 500k for a 2bed not happy! :pac:

Yep things are going that way. We have no money and the health service has none and the 12 year old girls will die of cancer but that underserving single mother with 9 children can have a 1/2 million Euro house because she cannot keep her legs together.

tba · 13-11-2008 02:31PM

Good stuff, I'm glad this is happening

Jumpy · 13-11-2008 02:32PM

They arent stupid, they will obviously vet the people they put in there.

ronbyrne2005 · 13-11-2008 02:33PM

Amazing that the government has the money to bail out their developer buddies who can't sell their overpriced shoeboxes but can't spend ten million on the cervical cancer programme. :mad:
Vote Fianna Fail-ure and thats what ya get.

Dudess · 13-11-2008 02:34PM

There's a voice in my head saying "Ha ha, if you're stupid/flash/shallow/wanky enough to spend half a million on a two-bedroom apartment, this is exactly what you deserve" and I can't get that voice out of my head...

Jumpy wrote: »

They arent stupid, they will obviously vet the people they put in there.

Yep. This isn't fail-safe though, but most of the time it is.

mikemac · 13-11-2008 02:37PM

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

Amazing that the government has the money to bail out their developer buddies who can't sell their overpriced shoeboxes but can spend ten million on the cervical cancer programme. :mad:

You're complaining about a vaccination programme going ahead?
Ok.....

I thought it was cancelled, I better check my facts

seamus · 13-11-2008 02:40PM

Actually, this is probably something which should be done countrywide. The councils have long waiting lists of people who want to be housed, the developers have tonnes of properties waiting to be sold.....why not kill two birds with one stone?

Whether we buy the properties or wait for the developers to default, the end result will be the same - our taxes going to the banks.

biko · 13-11-2008 02:40PM

In Newgrange? Seems a bit ott.

tba · 13-11-2008 02:44PM

Ok, seriously section 5 was not made to punish those who purchase expensive apartments, it was to evenly disperse social and affordable housing in an effort to prevent things such as this.

andrewh5 · 13-11-2008 02:46PM

seamus wrote: »

Actually, this is probably something which should be done countrywide. The councils have long waiting lists of people who want to be housed, the developers have tonnes of properties waiting to be sold.....why not kill two birds with one stone?

Whether we buy the properties or wait for the developers to default, the end result will be the same - our taxes going to the banks.

So you would be quite happy if you owned one of the apartments to have a skanky family put in next door to you? This is not the way to go. The skangers in Kilgobbin are currently having great fun stoning bus windows as they drive through the estate. Would you want one of them living in your apartment block?

Berty · 13-11-2008 02:47PM

seamus wrote: »

Actually, this is probably something which should be done countrywide. The councils have long waiting lists of people who want to be housed, the developers have tonnes of properties waiting to be sold.....why not kill two birds with one stone?

Whether we buy the properties or wait for the developers to default, the end result will be the same - our taxes going to the banks.

I am completely against this. I will block with every resource I have so that a family does not get the house next to me which is empty.

I do not deserve to have to live next to a underserving family after paying a lot of money to move OUT of a council estate.

stovelid · 13-11-2008 02:49PM

quirke_folder wrote: »

I do not deserve to have to live next to a underserving family after paying a lot of money to move OUT of a council estate.

So you're a skanky single mother or dirtbird yourself then?

Seeing as everybody from a council estate is one?

mikemac · 13-11-2008 02:50PM

quirke_folder wrote: »

I do not deserve to have to live next to a underserving family after paying a lot of money to move OUT of a council estate.

Congrats on working hard and buying your home.
You do realize of course you're in no position to judge. And if you tell your neighbours your last house was in a council estate some will instantly judge you. The same you are now judging others.

tba · 13-11-2008 02:53PM

There should be no such thing as a council estate!

stovelid · 13-11-2008 02:55PM

Look on the bright side. That annoying Spirit of Gracious Living sign can finally be consigned to the bin now.

Nodin · 13-11-2008 02:56PM

Dudess wrote: »

There's a voice in my head saying "Ha ha, if you're stupid/flash/shallow/wanky enough to spend half a million on a two-bedroom apartment, this is exactly what you deserve" and I can't get that voice out of my head...

My powers are strong.

Quirke_folder wrote:

Yep things are going that way. We have no money and the health service has none and the 12 year old girls will die of cancer but that underserving single mother with 9 children can have a 1/2 million Euro house because she cannot keep her legs together

Don't jump to conclusions and stereotype them, whatever you do......

Allow me to point out that had the Goverment actually made good on its promise to allocate a percentage of all new housing built to "social" housing, this kind of thing probably wouldn't be happening now.

Berty · 13-11-2008 02:56PM

stovelid wrote: »

So you're a skanky single mother or dirtbird yourself then?

Seeing as everybody from a council estate is one?

I dont claim benefits and work hard for a living. If you have not lived in a council estate you would not understand the life these people lead.

I didnt dig myself out of that council estate to have the council estate follow me into a quiet area.

I never said skanky or dirtbird. I said undeserving.

If you can get a job then you do not need benefits. If you have a job you can afford a house of your own or at least an appartment.

If you have a medical disability that means you cannot work then its a different story.

I am reffering to the multi generations of families who all have council houses and their children are on waiting lists for their own houses. They ARE undeserving and the majority of people on waiting lists are these people.

Having recently spoken to Michael Kiely who is on the Limerick City Council and presides over the waiting lists of council tenants for Limerick City he tells me that they offer houses to people in areas like Moyross, Ballynanty, O'Malley Park, Carew Park, St Marys Park and Keyes Park and people are turning their noses up at those houses as they are waiting for the houses in sought after areas to come on the market for them.

Undeserving Muppets!

helimachoptor · 13-11-2008 02:56PM

seamus wrote: »

Actually, this is probably something which should be done countrywide. The councils have long waiting lists of people who want to be housed, the developers have tonnes of properties waiting to be sold.....why not kill two birds with one stone?

Whether we buy the properties or wait for the developers to default, the end result will be the same - our taxes going to the banks.

I've been thinking that myself. The councils could offer to buy quite a lot of apartments/houses and a highly discounted rate. The developer will get the cash to pay off the bank and the council will get people seeking accomodation of its books and start receiving rent (though it will be a long time renting before it matches the cost to buy).

Problem is people who bought in these "exclusive" developments probably dont want council people in their blocks.

Berty · 13-11-2008 02:58PM

micmclo wrote: »

Congrats on working hard and buying your home.
You do realize of course you're in no position to judge. And if you tell your neighbours your last house was in a council estate some will instantly judge you. The same you are now judging others.

Wrong I have never a council house nor have I ever said I had a council house. I said I lived in a council estate to which I owned a private house which the minority of people in those areas do. If it was the other way around then it would be a normal area with some people with Council/HSE houses which is the way this thread is suggesting it might go.

So, my neighbours know where I am from because my neighbour is from a similar area and again he owned his house. We both sold our houses for the same reason.

I am not a council tenant so I cannot be judged as one. I lived amongst council tenants and all my underserving in laws are council tenants and their children are on waiting lists.

I am qualified to make repsonses on this thread because of my current and former experience of such.

mikemac · 13-11-2008 03:00PM

quirke_folder wrote: »

If you have a job you can afford a house of your own or at least an appartment.

To buy or to rent?
You obviously know how expensive housing so you know many (most?) single people couldn't afford to buy or rent a place of their own. It'd be a struggle anyway

quirke_folder wrote: »

Wrong I have never a council house nor have I ever said I had a council house..

Wrong, I never said you were a council tenant. Read it again
I'm saying if you tell your neighbours your last house was in a council estate they will judge you. You know the situation and so will they.

Berty · 13-11-2008 03:01PM

Nodin wrote: »

Allow me to point out that had the Goverment actually made good on its promise to allocate a percentage of all new housing built to "social" housing, this kind of thing probably wouldn't be happening now.

Social housing and/or social afforbable housing. That is different from a house given to somebody in repsect of low rent.

To purchase a house worth €300k for €150k is a socially affordable house in some cases. A colleague of mine had to jump through hoops to get a house like this in County Cork. He must have been on a certain wage for two years. He was not allowed to go above a certain threshold or below another treshold to prove in one case he was able to afford the house and the other to prove he was entitled to have a house to satisfy his needs which otherwise he would not be able to afford.

Berty · 13-11-2008 03:04PM

micmclo wrote: »

To buy or to rent?
You obviously know how expensive housing so you know many (most?) single people couldn't afford to buy or rent a place of their own. It'd be a struggle anyway

Hence the introduction of the rent allowance sheme and rent relief. It was originally evolved to encourage children of social housing families to push themselves to have a place of their own and to get them into a mindset of their OWN house/Appt.

A lot of landlords do not like the scheme because the city councils are slow to pay but that scheme is available. Giving somebody a rent allowance is cheaper than building them a new home or buying them an appt.

Single mothers also get their rent subsidised and quite a lot pretend to be single to get this but then the BF moves in later on.

Again I know somebody that did this to find that their neighbour called the council and reported them calling them welfare sponges. The same woman has had a council house for 46 years and has a 2007 car. Pot kettle black.

ShooterSF · 13-11-2008 03:10PM

I though a percentage of all new house had to be given over for social housing. Only seems fair and is one of the few areas I'd support this government in.

stovelid · 13-11-2008 03:11PM

quirke_folder wrote: »

If you have not lived in a council estate you would not understand the life these people lead.

I have. For all my younger life, until I moved out and bought too. I'm not looking for a pat on the back about it though.

A social housing obligation has always been in place, except now many of the developers can't buy their way out, and there are plenty of vacant properties.

I have no idea about the exact number of children born to, or the social history of, every single mother who seeks housing, so I can't comment on the usual 20 kids tales. That said, I'm sure if everybody on AH actually did know the amount of council-housed, single mothers that they claim to, we'd probably have to move them to Greenland to stop Ireland sinking.

One thing I do agree with though, is that nobody - home owner or not - should have to put up with anti-social behavior. If you are given social housing, you should be thrown out immediately if you cause trouble. If you did actually move from a council estate, you will remember that the overwhelming majority of council tenants don't cause any trouble.

Berty · 13-11-2008 03:12PM

* The building or acquisition of 27,000 new units of social housing between 2007-2009
* The building or acquisition of 63,000 social housing units from 2007-2013 through local authority, voluntary and co-operative housing and the Rental Accommodation Scheme
* Making local authority Housing Action Plans statutory documents to improve the delivery of housing
* Provision of 40,000 affordable housing units, 17,000 of these over the frist three year period between 2007-2009
* Implementation of new means of assessing housing need
* New guidance to replace Social Housing Design Guidelines

Wagon · 13-11-2008 03:14PM

Dudess wrote: »

There's a voice in my head saying "Ha ha, if you're stupid/flash/shallow/wanky enough to spend half a million on a two-bedroom apartment, this is exactly what you deserve" and I can't get that voice out of my head...

Yeah...people who buy a place to live are a shower of flash shallow ****...when will they learn?

If I decided to get myself a nice apartment for that price cos I worked hard for it and liked it enough, and then some shower of **** move in next door for free I'll be mighty pissed off as well. Rob the people who work for their money and give the wasters what you took from them. Seems fair alright...

Berty · 13-11-2008 03:16PM

stovelid wrote: »

If you did actually move from a council estate, you will remember that the overwhelming majority of council tenants don't cause any trouble.

True very true but Im not contesting anti social behaviour. It is the families who march through life with their hands out looking for free health care, free education, free travel pass's, free houses, benefits galore and cannot understand why people think they should get a job.

If a family next to me now who own their house were antisocial I would report them immediately whether they came from a desirable area or from a council area.

Degsy · 13-11-2008 03:18PM

Wagon wrote: »

Yeah...people who buy a place to live are a shower of flash shallow ****...when will they learn?

If I decided to get myself a nice apartment for that price cos I worked hard for it and liked it enough, and then some shower of **** move in next door for free I'll be mighty pissed off as well. Rob the people who work for their money and give the wasters what you took from them. Seems fair alright...

Only fools and horses work.
The way forward in this country is to sign on,you'll do better out of the budget than naybody else,they'll pay for your gaff and if you want to become a junkie,the taxpayer will pay for your drugs.

Wagon · 13-11-2008 03:20PM

Degsy wrote: »

Only fools and horses work.
The way forward in this country is to sign on,you'll do better out of the budget than naybody else,they'll pay for your gaff and if you want to become a junkie,the taxpayer will pay for your drugs.

Haha pretty true. I'm taking the other solution and getting out of the country.

Council tenants to get apartments in "The Grange"

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