The best way to stop Gangland Murders

Relevant · 11-11-2008 04:45PM #1

Read this on another message board and decided to post it here to see what people thought...

There's only one way to ultimately solve the issue and that is to remove the environment that these people operate in.

By that I mean, the wider public need to take a good hard look at themselves and decide if they want to leave it as acceptable to consume recreational drugs such as cannabis, ecstasy, cocaine etc. at parties and night clubs and what not. Or do they want to stop incidents like this happening. If so, they must condemn this type of activity, not with words but with their own actions. Stop using recreational drugs, stop buying knock off consumer products from the back of trucks etc.

If they do want innocent people dead, then all they need to do is to keep providing these people with the market to supply and the people will keep being killed. But if they don't want innocent people dead, then they must cast aside their old ways.

There's no point in moral indignation on the streets if the people don't want to take action themselves. Their own lifestyle should be the first port of call for analysing. Not scrutiny of the Gardaí or the government or legislation...

MagicMarker · 11-11-2008 04:46PM

I love idealism.

It's never going to happen.

I say kill the gangs. Kill them 'till they die from it!!!

orestes · 11-11-2008 04:46PM

I would have though the best way to stop ganglnd murders would be to lock up all of the gang members or something along those lines. Turns out it's all our fault that they're scum, well I'll be jiggered

Turd Ferguson · 11-11-2008 04:47PM

No, they should just play non-stop Match of the Day and Pimp My Ride on tv. All those people killing would just stay at home then.

thewing · 11-11-2008 04:49PM

Like a dog that bites people, put them down - they're all dogs.....

Relevant · 11-11-2008 04:51PM

But the people who buy the drugs that fund the gangs are entirely innocent?

jetski · 11-11-2008 04:53PM

Q; The best way to stop gangland murders

A; Dont do anything

Cookie_Monster · 11-11-2008 04:53PM

just knock down all the council estates... they'll all die off then...

whiskeyman · 11-11-2008 04:56PM

I'm all for gangland murders.... helps keep the scum-count down.
I'd say we should arm them better and the gardai should offer advice / tip offs so the right people get eliminated.

Turd Ferguson · 11-11-2008 04:58PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

I'm all for gangland murders.... helps keep the scum-count down.
I'd say we should arm them better and the gardai should offer advice / tip offs so the right people get eliminated.

Agreed. Every Addidas tracksuit should come with a free glock or 9mm
I believe the term is "natural selection"

fabfemale · 11-11-2008 04:59PM

If only it was that easy - I can assure you, there's much more to it than drugs alone. I live in Limerick and you should be here today - the sense of sadness is just awful.

Have a read of this - this guy is a hero in my book.

http://honestlk.wordpress.com/

stovelid · 11-11-2008 05:00PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

I'm all for gangland murders.... helps keep the scum-count down.
I'd say we should arm them better and the gardai should offer advice / tip offs so the right people get eliminated.

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Agreed. Every Addidas tracksuit should come with a free glock or 9mm
I believe the term is "natural selection"

Not so much that the supply gets completely cut-off, mind.

Christmas is just around the corner, ffs.

CiaranC · 11-11-2008 05:02PM

*Sigh*

People have been using recreational drugs for several thousand years. And they will continue to use them for several thousand more. Its the relatively new prohibition of these drugs and the resultant massive profits to be gleaned which is the issue.

Everyone may continue to ignore this glaringly obvious fact and carry on with their usual moronic AH nonsense............now.

Turd Ferguson · 11-11-2008 05:02PM

stovelid wrote: »

Not so much that the supply gets completely cut-off, mind.

Christmas is just around the corner, ffs.

Obviously. We need that "snow" to decorate the "leafs" our trees.

stovelid · 11-11-2008 05:07PM

CiaranC wrote: »

*Sigh*
.

Aye, we all know that the only thing stopping the gang members becoming pastors, social workers and care workers is the fact that selfish drug users are corrupting them into drug supplying.

Fratton Fred · 11-11-2008 05:08PM

Relevant wrote: »

Read this on another message board and decided to post it here to see what people thought...

head in the sand mentality TBH.

We're posh, we have a good job and can afford to take cocaine, not like those drug dealing scum that go around killing each other for a few quid:rolleyes:

its all about supply and demand. The demand being a trendy UCD student who thinks he is cool, the supply being a gangland thug who wants to run the entire market, until someone comes along and kills him so he can take over his patch

No demand, no supply.

WindSock · 11-11-2008 05:12PM

Conscription, that'll sort 'em out. What we need is a good ol' fashioned war. There should be one along soon.

Turd Ferguson · 11-11-2008 05:14PM

stovelid wrote: »

Aye, we all know that the only thing stopping the gang members becoming pastors, social workers and care workers is the fact that selfish drug users are corrupting them into drug supplying.

If its not drugs it will be prostitutes or stolen electronics or stamps or whatever.

As was said people have been using drugs for thousands of years and will continue with the same. Just stopping that will solve nothing.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No demand, no supply.

As I said, if there is no supply they will just find something else to fight about. These people are fuckwits and will do whatever they want, regardless

CiaranC · 11-11-2008 05:15PM

stovelid wrote: »

Aye, we all know that the only thing stopping the gang members becoming pastors, social workers and care workers is the fact that selfish drug users are corrupting them into drug supplying.

I was addressing the OP, which stated the cause for this trouble is selfish people using drugs.

Relevant · 11-11-2008 05:16PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

head in the sand mentality TBH.

We're posh, we have a good job and can afford to take cocaine, not like those drug dealing scum that go around killing each other for a few quid:rolleyes:

its all about supply and demand. The demand being a trendy UCD student who thinks he is cool, the supply being a gangland thug who wants to run the entire market, until someone comes along and kills him so he can take over his patch

No demand, no supply.

I agree with you on the supply & demand thing. Although it's not just "trendy ucd students" It is anyone who buys pirate dvds, washed diesel, dodgy dvd players, foreign smokes. It all goes into these crime gangs pockets

stovelid · 11-11-2008 05:18PM

I would usually say just legalize the supply, but you couldn't really trust the current government to supply us with our goodies, especially at peak times like festival season or Christmas. could you?

Best just to leave the industry privatized for now, even if their redundancy programmes do leave a little to be desired.

Relevant · 11-11-2008 05:18PM

CiaranC wrote: »

I was addressing the OP, which stated the cause for this trouble is selfish people using drugs.

That is the cause of it. If nobody was supporting criminality they wouldnt exist. The legalising drugs issue is a load of bollox. It is entirely beside the point and is a way for people to shift the blame.

Holsten · 11-11-2008 05:19PM

Make weed legal.

Lock up the fully known scummers, no trial, nothing, 25 years min.

stovelid · 11-11-2008 05:19PM

CiaranC wrote: »

I was addressing the OP, which stated the cause for this trouble is selfish people using drugs.

Was actually agreeing with your post. Should have been clearer.

CiaranC · 11-11-2008 05:31PM

Relevant wrote: »

That is the cause of it. If nobody was supporting criminality they wouldnt exist. The legalising drugs issue is a load of bollox. It is entirely beside the point and is a way for people to shift the blame.

If you criminalise something inherent to human nature, then expect a boom in crime.

If we criminalise pints of Guinness tomorrow, then a criminal industry will spring up around it. People will still want to drink pints of Guinness, and they wont stop just because someone made a retarded law against it.

Relevant · 11-11-2008 05:34PM

CiaranC wrote: »

If you criminalise something inherent to human nature, then expect a boom in crime.

If we criminalise pints of Guinness tomorrow, then a criminal industry will spring up around it. People will still want to drink pints of Guinness, and they wont stop just because someone made a retarded law against it.

Seperate argument...
The fact of the matter is Guinness isn't illegal. Criminal Gangs aren't making money on it (unless they have shares in Diageo)

Are you willing to agree that when you buy drugs you are giving money to these criminal gangs or are you just going to pass the buck?

b0bsquish · 11-11-2008 05:36PM

We send all the gangs out into a big field (ie carlow) and let them kill each other until one gang remains.

The remaining gang will then be killed be us. (Obviously we won't tell them this first)

Problem solved!

Caoimhín · 11-11-2008 05:37PM

WindSock wrote: »

Conscription, that'll sort 'em out. What we need is a good ol' fashioned war. There should be one along soon.

:eek: What?

Are you saying them English are back?

//Runs off to fetch his Pike and Fenian hat.

Rob_l · 11-11-2008 05:44PM

Relevant wrote: »

Seperate argument...
The fact of the matter is Guinness isn't illegal. Criminal Gangs aren't making money on it (unless they have shares in Diageo)

Are you willing to agree that when you buy drugs you are giving money to these criminal gangs or are you just going to pass the buck?

but what about cigarettes they are not illegal yet criminal gangs still make money on them.

It is not the substance in itself that causes the crime it is peoples want of it, so making it illegal to gain through any means makes it much easier for criminal gangs to amass huge sums of money providing it, which in turn gives them great power and access to very dangerous weapons and our current predicament.

seamus · 11-11-2008 05:54PM

I'm just wondering where the powers have been lost in all of this.

When the CAB was set up, they appeared to be kicking ass - breaking down doors and confiscating the property of all of the big scumbags.

Then Gilligan went to jail, Dublin largely lost its major drugs barons, but it started flaring up in Limerick.

So why haven't the same powers been used to grab these guys in the middle of the night, throw them in the back of a Garda van and seize all of their assets?

Relevant · 11-11-2008 05:54PM

Rob_l wrote: »

but what about cigarettes they are not illegal yet criminal gangs still make money on them.

It is not the substance in itself that causes the crime it is peoples want of it, so making it illegal to gain through any means makes it much easier for criminal gangs to amass huge sums of money providing it, which in turn gives them great power and access to very dangerous weapons and our current predicament.

Relevant wrote: »

I agree with you on the supply & demand thing. Although it's not just "trendy ucd students" It is anyone who buys pirate dvds, washed diesel, dodgy dvd players, foreign smokes. It all goes into these crime gangs pockets

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The best way to stop Gangland Murders

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