Garda seek permission 2have browser history

Biggins · 09-11-2008 03:18AM

Randi wrote: »

I'll plant somebody else DNA that I dont like, ill copy there finger prints and paste them somewhere. so tempting

...I'm starting to get worried now!

Do you live beside me? :eek:

Randi · 09-11-2008 03:25AM

Biggins wrote: »

...I'm starting to get worried now!

Do you live beside me? :eek:

haha if I do we can do it to the other neighbour..............god im sooo bored

Sherifu · 09-11-2008 03:28AM

They can have my non existant browsing history.

Biggins · 09-11-2008 03:29AM

Randi wrote: »

haha if I do we can do it to the other neighbour..............god im sooo bored

Well I'm off to me bed now but I'm not going to sleep tight knowing you might be out there trying to break into me and get to my pc! :eek:

I'm turning on the electric fence and letting out the guard dogs just in case your about. :P

Randi · 09-11-2008 03:31AM

Biggins wrote: »

Well I'm off to me bed now but I'm not going to sleep tight knowing you might be out there trying to break into me and get to my pc! :eek:

I'm turning on the electric fence and letting out the guard dogs just in case your about. :P

Ill dig under the fence and throw the dogs a bone

feck its half 2 didnt notice that lol time flies when you bord

Biggins · 09-11-2008 03:33AM

Randi wrote: »

Ill dig under the fence and throw the dogs a bone

Haha, sorry, you'll hit the land mines!
O' and the dogs are trained only to take food from me.

Randi · 09-11-2008 03:37AM

Biggins wrote: »

Haha, sorry, you'll hit the land mines!
O' and the dogs are trained only to take food from me.

Ill put on dog repellant or dress in a dog costume, ill fly over the fence

you better be worth it im tellin ya

gerky · 09-11-2008 04:08AM

The retention directive that was brought earlier this year covers this,

Categories of data to be retained
1. Member States shall ensure that the following categories of
data are retained under this Directive:
(a) data necessary to trace and identify the source of a
communication:
(1) concerning fixed network telephony and mobile
telephony:
(i) the calling telephone number;
(ii) the name and address of the subscriber or registered
user;
(2) concerning Internet access, Internet e-mail and Internet
telephony:
(i) the user ID(s) allocated;
(ii) the user ID and telephone number allocated to any
communication entering the public telephone
network;
(iii) the name and address of the subscriber or registered
user to whom an Internet Protocol (IP) address, user
ID or telephone number was allocated at the time of
the communication;
(b) data necessary to identify the destination of a
communication:
(1) concerning fixed network telephony and mobile
telephony:
(i) the number(s) dialled (the telephone number(s)
called), and, in cases involving supplementary services
such as call forwarding or call transfer, the
number or numbers to which the call is routed;
(ii) the name(s) and address(es) of the subscriber(s) or
registered user(s);
13.4.2006 EN Official Journal of the European Union L 105/57
(2) concerning Internet e-mail and Internet telephony:
(i) the user ID or telephone number of the intended
recipient(s) of an Internet telephony call;
(ii) the name(s) and address(es) of the subscriber(s) or
registered user(s) and user ID of the intended recipient
of the communication;
(c) data necessary to identify the date, time and duration of a
communication:
(1) concerning fixed network telephony and mobile telephony,
the date and time of the start and end of the
communication;
(2) concerning Internet access, Internet e-mail and Internet
telephony:
(i) the date and time of the log-in and log-off of the
Internet access service, based on a certain time zone,
together with the IP address, whether dynamic or
static, allocated by the Internet access service provider
to a communication, and the user ID of the
subscriber or registered user;
(ii) the date and time of the log-in and log-off of the
Internet e-mail service or Internet telephony service,
based on a certain time zone;
(d) data necessary to identify the type of communication:
(1) concerning fixed network telephony and mobile telephony:
the telephone service used;
(2) concerning Internet e-mail and Internet telephony: the
Internet service used;
(e) data necessary to identify users’ communication equipment
or what purports to be their equipment:
(1) concerning fixed network telephony, the calling
and called telephone numbers;
(2) concerning mobile telephony:
(i) the calling and called telephone numbers;
(ii) the International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI)
of the calling party;
(iii) the International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI)
of the calling party;
(iv) the IMSI of the called party;
(v) the IMEI of the called party;
(vi) in the case of pre-paid anonymous services, the date
and time of the initial activation of the service and
the location label (Cell ID) from which the service
was activated;
(3) concerning Internet access, Internet e-mail and Internet
telephony:
(i) the calling telephone number for dial-up access;
(ii) the digital subscriber line (DSL) or other end point
of the originator of the communication;
(f) data necessary to identify the location of mobile communication
equipment:
(1) the location label (Cell ID) at the start of the
communication;
(2) data identifying the geographic location of cells by reference
to their location labels (Cell ID) during the period
for which communications data are retained.
2. No data revealing the content of the communication may be
retained pursuant to this Directive.

All of this information that's kept on us can be accessed without a court order, it seems now that they want the ISP's to not only keep track of who we are emailing and stuff like that, they also want them to retain the content of the emails and possibly pm's and texts too.

For all of you that say "well if your not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't be worried" how do you feel knowing that your neighbour/friend/relation that happens to be a guard can fairly easily see everything you do on the net.

You can find out all about a person by their internet use, you can find out their health problems,relationships,what they post where they post it, if they are in to porn, you can tell what floats their boat and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

And for those who post that I'm going over board, there have already been cases of guards snooping for their own uses.

Run_to_da_hills · 09-11-2008 04:39AM

gerky wrote: »

The retention directive that was brought earlier this year covers this,

All of this information that's kept on us can be accessed without a court order, it seems now that they want the ISP's to not only keep track of who we are emailing and stuff like that, they also want them to retain the content of the emails and possibly pm's and texts too.

For all of you that say "well if your not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't be worried" how do you feel knowing that your neighbour/friend/relation that happens to be a guard can fairly easily see everything you do on the net.

You can find out all about a person by their internet use, you can find out their health problems,relationships,what they post where they post it, if they are in to porn, you can tell what floats their boat and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

And for those who post that I'm going over board, there have already been cases of guards snooping for their own uses.

Hitler and Stalin would have given their right hands to have this wonderful technology to be able to search through and invade the privacy of individuals in this atrocious manner.

During WW2 Nazi intelligence had to get their hands dirty in order to hunt down Jews, gays gypsies and all those that resisted the system.

This will be a peace of pi*s to the authorities of the NWO as they can do all this from the comfort of an office. :eek:

ScumLord · 09-11-2008 04:41AM

Biggins wrote: »

Well I'm off to me bed now but I'm not going to sleep tight knowing you might be out there trying to break into me and get to my pc! :eek:

I'm turning on the electric fence and letting out the guard dogs just in case your about. :P

I broke my spiny ashtray and I blame you.

The Mighty Ken · 09-11-2008 11:24AM

What a gross vioation. If people aren't completely outraged they should be. Sure why don't we just let the Gardai stick CCTV's in our home FFS?

SimpleSam06 · 09-11-2008 11:46AM

Bambi wrote: »

yep, its cos they can't get access to browser histories that the cops havent been able to nail anyone for a gangland hit since veronica guerin :pac:

My guess is this is aimed at Eastern European crime syndicates. They are hard enough to track with the language barrier. I'm still opposed to this though.

Doodee · 09-11-2008 11:56AM

whats to stop them using a netcafe. This is bs, just cause im innocent doesn't mean i shouldn't worry. According to the OH they voted against th this in germany

Gummy Panda · 09-11-2008 11:57AM

Its not gonna be like Garda John Lynch just rings up the network and gets this info.

Its going to involve alot of red tape. Even now there is lenghty process for getting information from the networks.

I wouldn't worry too much tbh.

Run_to_da_hills · 09-11-2008 01:08PM

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

What a gross violation. If people aren't completely outraged they should be. Sure why don't we just let the Gardai stick CCTV's in our home FFS?

I am pretty sure there is software already availible that can switch on the webcam in your PC unknowingly. All new generation laptops have built in webcams. This would be very convenient for Big Brother to track you and look at your face when using free wifi on the bus or train. As mentioned in another post they have the technology to turn your 3G mobile phone into a "roving bug" even if its switched off.

There would be a national outcry if we woke up in the morning and found that all our personal letters were opened and sellotaped over with a Garda stamp, "Sorry, we had to open your latters to inspect them for "terrorist and criminal activity" it is all for your benefit and in the interest of national security". Opening and snooping through your personal "electronic letters" is no different as it is just an up to date version of the old snail mail.

I commend Vodafone for bringing this to the light of the Irish Times.

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Its not gonna be like Garda John Lynch just rings up the network and gets this info.

Its going to involve alot of red tape. Even now there is lenghty process for getting information from the networks.

I wouldn't worry too much tbh.

If they follow in the same paranoid footsteps as the UK and US authorities bloody right we should be concerned. It may not be such a threat now but put a beggar on horseback and he’ll ride to hell, God knows what else they will want to know about us.

gerky · 09-11-2008 04:00PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Its not gonna be like Garda John Lynch just rings up the network and gets this info.

Its going to involve alot of red tape. Even now there is lenghty process for getting information from the networks.

I wouldn't worry too much tbh.

Well apparently it is quite easy, a court order isn't needed and the data retention commissioner said earlier this year that their had been 300,000 requests for access to data, something tells me that there isn't exactly that much terrorist/criminal activity going on that needs access to data.

Afaik there were guards reprimanded for looking at their partners phone records.

apathetic84 · 09-11-2008 04:11PM

i think there are valid points supporting both sides of this argument.

i have nothing to hide but i would like my permission asked before my message/browsing histories are accessed.

towel401 · 09-11-2008 04:12PM

just use a satellite phone. the gardee have more trouble getting records from any of those

pgp has probably been cracked. or there is at least a few supercomputers busy with trying to crack it. before a new encryption scheme comes out i'm sure the FBI have a word with the designer before he's allowed to release it if it's too hard to crack they put him on a plane to guantanamo. the only encryption that still works is one-time pads made with a decent hardware random number generator and even those are useless against this sort of thing because they're not looking to scan the contents of the message

shenanigans1982 · 09-11-2008 05:22PM

This is all due to pressure from the American government because somebody mentioned an Obama assassination attempt. I look forward to meeting everybody who posted in that thread during our five minute exercise break in camp Ex-Bray.

fumpidge · 09-11-2008 05:41PM

towel401 wrote: »

just use a satellite phone. the gardee have more trouble getting records from any of those

Nothing in modern telecommunications is immune from being monitored. the FBI would be grateful to assist the Irish Authorities in any surveylance equipment required for such.

Quazzie · 09-11-2008 05:48PM

I think the most important question is are tricia and rtdh gonna get it on????

Biggins · 09-11-2008 10:46PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I broke my spiny ashtray and I blame you.

LOL How did I do that!

Boskowski · 10-11-2008 12:11AM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Its not gonna be like Garda John Lynch just rings up the network and gets this info.

Its going to involve alot of red tape. Even now there is lenghty process for getting information from the networks.

I wouldn't worry too much tbh.

Well, then quite frankly you should get yourself informed 'cos you haven't a clue. In the UK every Tom, Dick and Harry can get everything on you these days. For example, you apply for something means tested every local donkey body can get every fkn thing on you. Whether you properly put your bin out on Thursday, whether you were ever late paying your car tax by 2 days. Every fkn thing, and no court order needed. That the kind of society you want to live in?

You keep not worrying too much 'til there's nothing left to worry about.

DubTony · 10-11-2008 12:24AM

Biggins wrote: »

If you can turn yourself invisible, get in and out of the house without leaving your DNA, not leave footprints, no witnesses etc...

If you can do all that and more, you should be breaking into Fort Knox with those talents! LOL

No point, there's nothing left in Fort Knox...

Biggins, If I squiggle a photo in Photoshop, flatten it, then take a screenshot of it on my computer and delete the original(s) can that new photo (the screenshot file) be unsquiggled?

Biggins · 10-11-2008 12:33AM

DubTony wrote: »

No point, there's nothing left in Fort Knox...

Biggins, If I squiggle a photo in Photoshop, flatten it, then take a screenshot of it on my computer and delete the original(s) can that new photo (the screenshot file) be unsquiggled?

Yes. As long as it's a static (or moveable) image, it can be reversed.
Can be done by graphic mode or by exploiting binary accessible code at architectural source level.

10-11-2008 12:39AM

I wouldn't let the idea that PGP is (allegedly) unbreakable, it's the fact that encrypted messeges are passed between a known suspect and several unknowns, these unknowns will now become suspects until proven otherwise.

Biggins · 10-11-2008 12:42AM

Heck, if we all start using it, that makes the whole country "suspects"!

That will keep Dublin Castle I.T. section busy for a while lol

10-11-2008 12:45AM

One of the best known methods of avoiding detection is to create a smokescreen, and having everyone encrypt even if they don't need to, will have that effect - you may let the crooks get away!

Biggins · 10-11-2008 12:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the best known methods of avoiding detection is to create a smokescreen, and having everyone encrypt even if they don't need to, will have that effect - you may let the crooks get away!

Taking into account that the Gardi are supposed to have prior justification to further look into other subsequent items, they will have already by that existing justification, know or suspect already those that they want to investigate further!

I would use the likes of PGP if only to defend the right to ones privacy.

fumpidge · 10-11-2008 01:12AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There would be a national outcry if we woke up in the morning and found that all our personal letters were opened and sellotaped over with a Garda stamp, "Sorry, we had to open your latters to inspect them for "terrorist and criminal activity" it is all for your benefit and in the interest of national security". Opening and snooping through your personal "electronic letters" is no different as it is just an up to date version of the old snail mail.

Thats exactly how I explained it to my old man, he never sent an email in his life. He was disgusted as how they could stoop so low.

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