Study clears cannabis of schizophrenia rap

marcsignal · 08-11-2008 05:02PM

No I don't think it will ever be legalised, but I think it's a shame you can't grow your own for personal use, the way someone would make home brew wine or beer.

For my 2c worth, I consider dope smokers a damn sight less 'sad' than people who are addicted to shite like 'Friends' 'Eastenders' or 'sex in the city'

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:04PM

TPD wrote: »

Yet its perfectly acceptable to come home after dinner and have a beer, glass of wine, or maybe even more?

If I were a child I would much rather be minded by a stoned person than a drunk person.

I would rather everyone was stoned when they pile out of clubs at 2 in the morning. Violence would drop sharply, sales in fast food places would increase dramatically.

Seriously, you are the one who sounds sad. You can't let people enjoy themselves. You may not like smoking, you may know people who have taken it too far, but that does not mean it is wrong, or that others shouldn't be allowed. I pity you, in fact. You are narrow minded, and yet you will probably think I am.

You a letting me regain some faith in the community

ejmaztec · 08-11-2008 05:05PM

Zillah wrote: »

He just told you that he's running a successful business! Have you decided he is lying or are you just so biased you've ignored that fact? Why is it so hard to accept that someone might actually be both happy/successful and a cannabis smoker?

Some people can get away with being successful for a while, like some of the ones that I've known. It didn't take long for their worlds to fall apart however. They were also "Happy", albeit artificially so.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:07PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The use of mind-altering drugs is pre-historic, therefore so unbelievably primitive.

I've lost count of the friends and relatives who went down this path. There was no convincing them - they lost the plot - and everything else in the end.

There's no convincing people like you because you're in a deep rut. I hope that one day you'll find the guts to climb out of it.

You are in the rut, a very narrow minded rut.

I on the other hand and many of my friends have left all that behind and moved on... We are better for it.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:09PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Some people can get away with being successful for a while, like some of the ones that I've known. It didn't take long for their worlds to fall apart however. They were also "Happy", albeit artificially so.

My father has been smoking for almost 30 years. He is one of the few people who still have work lined up for the next 2 years in his trade.

Where's your logic? Nill I believe

All of your arguments so far in this thread have been rediculous in my opinion. You have made me laugh you have made me angry, but worst of all you have disapointed me.

Cannabis will not make your world fall apart. Anyone with experience will tell you how silly your statement is.. Your friend failed at what they were doing because they didnt do it right. Perhaps the repercussion of that was to smoke / drink themselves to death... Some people cannot accept defeat and go back stronger... Some of us thrive off defeat as its the ONLY thing that will make us stronger. Please wake up.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:20PM

TPD wrote: »

Yet its perfectly acceptable to come home after dinner and have a beer, glass of wine, or maybe even more?

If I were a child I would much rather be minded by a stoned person than a drunk person.

I would rather everyone was stoned when they pile out of clubs at 2 in the morning. Violence would drop sharply, sales in fast food places would increase dramatically.

Seriously, you are the one who sounds sad. You can't let people enjoy themselves. You may not like smoking, you may know people who have taken it too far, but that does not mean it is wrong, or that others shouldn't be allowed. I pity you, in fact. You are narrow minded, and yet you will probably think I am.

Not really acceptable eeither in my opinion to have a few glasses of wine after dinner.

Enjoy yourself getting stoned making a complete mush of ur brain, some enjoyment. Please cannibas is for complete loosers.

rubadub · 08-11-2008 05:22PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The use of mind-altering drugs is pre-historic, therefore so unbelievably primitive.

Yes, there is a basic primal urge to experience altered states of conciousness, just like a hunger for food & sex. And just like food & sex some people have a higher drive to experience altered states. So it is easy for some to just say "if you don't want aids just don't have sex", and some can happily go through life being celibate. Just like a thin person can say "if you don't want to be obese, just stop eating". It is not as easy as that for many people. And if you have a low drive for something it can be hard to realise the other persons viewpoint.

The strange thing is most "anti-illegal drug" people use legal recreational drugs, and would go mental at the thought of having them made illegal. Just look at all the anger when the gov puts tax on smokes, or the smoking ban, or closing offies at 10pm. Many legal drug users do not see how easy they have it. I do not see the problem with more choice, that is a regular comment "you have booze don't you? isn't that good enough for you". It would be like saying "surely the missionary position is more than enough, why would you want to do anything else you pervert". There seems to be a odd belief that people will just compound all legal drugs, i.e. drink their usual 8 pints, AND a load of spliffs AND E etc. It would be like banning mcdonalds from bringing out a lowfat burger, saying "this will not help obesity, people will eat this in addition to their normal meal". If other drugs were legal alcohol consumption would drop.

ejmaztec wrote: »

I've lost count of the friends and relatives who went down this path. There was no convincing them - they lost the plot - and everything else in the end.

Perhaps they just did not agree with whatever it was you tried to "convince" them of. Maybe they were perfectly happy. Maybe you would not be happy in their situation, and therefore cannot understand how they are.

The old line "cannabis robs you of your ambition, but not if you ambition is to get high and watch TV".

Many people equate ambition with making money, or having a good job. Many are happy with very little money, and can value a stress free lifestyle rather than trying to climb some corporate ladder involving long hours and stress.

ejmaztec wrote: »

There's no convincing people like you because you're in a deep rut. I hope that one day you'll find the guts to climb out of it.

Convincing them that you are "right" and they are "wrong". Some people might think your situation/lifestyle is a rut too, and feel sorry for you.

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Do you seriously think an Irish government is going to make cannabis legal?

Not by themselves, it would have to be an almost worldwide occurrence, just like the majority of drugs are currently subject to. We usually copy all others on drugs laws. It would have to be a EU wide law, perhaps happening in the US first.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:23PM

wordcount wrote: »

Enjoy yourself getting stoned making a complete mush of ur brain, some enjoyment. Please cannibas is for complete loosers.

Oh dear. May I climb on your tiny high horse? Or is it too far of a jump down, I may kill it and you might get squished.

What a totally rediculous statement. You are inferior to any stoner if you beleive what you just wrote. That is the state of reality here.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:26PM

TPD wrote: »

Yet its perfectly acceptable to come home after dinner and have a beer, glass of wine, or maybe even more?

TPD wrote: »

If I were a child I would much rather be minded by a stoned person than a drunk person.

How about none of the above.

TPD wrote: »

I would rather everyone was stoned when they pile out of clubs at 2 in the morning. Violence would drop sharply, sales in fast food places would increase dramatically.

Sounds like a scene for 28 days later, Zombies.

TPD wrote: »

Seriously, you are the one who sounds sad. You can't let people enjoy themselves. You may not like smoking, you may know people who have taken it too far, but that does not mean it is wrong, or that others shouldn't be allowed. I pity you, in fact. You are narrow minded, and yet you will probably think I am.

Look cannibas is a drug that complete muppets take. Absolute stoners and bums take cannibas, and the load of crap they come out with about it being less dangerous then alcohol complete load of Sh.t. You would seriously like a world where there was as much concumption of cannibas as there is alcohol? Freeks cannibas users are nothing but feeeks.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:28PM

wordcount wrote: »

TPD wrote: »

Yet its perfectly acceptable to come home after dinner and have a beer, glass of wine, or maybe even more?

How about none of the above.

Sounds like a scene for 28 days later, Zombies.

Look cannibas is a drug that complete muppets take. Absolute stoners and bums take cannibas, and the load of crap they come out with about it being less dangerous then alcohol complete load of Sh.t. You would seriously like a world where there was as much concumption of cannibas as there is alcohol? Freeks cannibas users are nothing but feeeks.

Ok the stupidity of your posts show me you are deliberately trolling this thread. Your posts have been reported.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:28PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

Oh dear. May I climb on your tiny high horse? Or is it too far of a jump down, I may kill it and you might get squished.

What a totally rediculous statement. You are inferior to any stoner if you beleive what you just wrote. That is the state of reality here.

Because ur probably to busy smoking dope your sentences make very little sense. Another reason to STOP SMOKING SH.T.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:31PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

wordcount wrote: »

Ok the stupidity of your posts show me you are deliberately trolling this thread. Your posts have been reported.

Just read you last few posts? Ask yourself do they make any sence? Seriously ask yourself?

Trolling? What ever I am doing at least I am making a coherant opinion, rather than making absolutly no sence.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:33PM

wordcount wrote: »

Toiletroll wrote: »

Just read you last few posts? Ask yourself do they make any sence? Seriously ask yourself?

Trolling? What ever I am doing at least I am making a coherant opinion, rather than making absolutly no sence.

Erm, what? You just proclaimed yourself with that one. You are just slagging and generalising people who smoke weed. You are really sad.

You said in your post that I am a useless waster. How can you possibly say that and still expect to have any integrity left? Are you serious man? Take a step back and think for a few weeks / months / years i am not sure if any amount of time will help.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:34PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

Oh dear. May I climb on your tiny high horse? Or is it too far of a jump down, I may kill it and you might get squished.
What a totally rediculous statement. You are inferior to any stoner if you beleive what you just wrote. That is the state of reality here.

For example, your above comment. What does it mean? What does it bring to the discussion? Complete nonsence.

Seriously, it is an advertisment why not to smoke dope.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:35PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

wordcount wrote: »

Erm, what? You just proclaimed yourself with that one. You are just slagging and generalising people who smoke weed. You are really sad.

Proclaimed youself? What? Get off the stuff man please.

Zillah · 08-11-2008 05:35PM

wordcount wrote: »

Not really acceptable eeither in my opinion to have a few glasses of wine after dinner.

Oh. How unfortunate. I don't think you and I would get on very well in real life.

wordcount wrote: »

Enjoy yourself getting stoned making a complete mush of ur brain, some enjoyment. Please cannibas is for complete loosers.

Look cannibas is a drug that complete muppets take. Absolute stoners and bums take cannibas, and the load of crap they come out with about it being less dangerous then alcohol complete load of Sh.t. You would seriously like a world where there was as much concumption of cannibas as there is alcohol? Freeks cannibas users are nothing but feeeks.

This is the point at which I disregard your opinion as the ill-informed nonesense that it is.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:38PM

wordcount wrote: »

Toiletroll wrote: »

Proclaimed youself? What? Get off the stuff man please.

yes, wait.. others will be along to confirm that you are an idiot.

People often use words out of context if it still makes sense. Not like you know how to spell sense as seen in your above posts. Seeing as we are knitpicking here... haha how fun it is to sink to your lvel.. Gosh I need to get out of here! haha...

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:40PM

Zillah wrote: »

Oh. How unfortunate. I don't think you and I would get on very well in real life.

This is the point at which I disregard your opinion as the ill-informed nonesense that it is.

Is it ill informed to suggest to you that every junkie in the joy started out smoling cannibas, they will tell you it is a drug that leads to other drugs, that aside every person I know who smoke dope on a regular basis and that around 12 people now i CAN COUNT as knowing now and everyone i have know who smokes cannibas regularly have been effective very negtivally by it. from becoming more reclusive to wasting thier money, to not wanting to go out but being happy to stay at home all day getting stoned.

Its about a lifestyle chose. if your happy to think a life like that is a "life worth living", then good luck to you. I for one thinks there more tolive than staying in smoking dope in a moronic haze.

rubadub · 08-11-2008 05:41PM

wordcount wrote: »

Not really acceptable eeither in my opinion to have a few glasses of wine after dinner.

Enjoy yourself getting stoned making a complete mush of ur brain, some enjoyment. Please cannibas is for complete loosers.

So I take it you would like to see alcohol illegal too? It must similarly be for complete losers.

Do you take any recreational drugs at all? e.g. alcohol, caffeine.

wordcount wrote: »

Look cannibas is a drug that complete muppets take. Absolute stoners and bums take cannibas,

Look alcohol is a drug that complete muppets take, absolute winos & bums take alcohol.
You seem completely blind to the fact that people can and do take drugs in moderate doses, the vast majority of alcohol users are not winos, just like the majority of cannabis users are not the equivalent- zonked out stoners.

Many are blind to the widespread usage since people can be discrete and not noticeably high. So people figure all users are like the one they can notice, but can totally accept a wino is not the norm.

wordcount wrote: »

You would seriously like a world where there was as much concumption of cannibas as there is alcohol?

If cannabis was legal consumption of alcohol would drop. I would prefer that situation. I would also like the government to be getting all the money they are missing out on, in the form of tax. And I would like to see taxpayers money not used to house many "criminals".

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:43PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

wordcount wrote: »

yes, wait.. others will be along to confirm that you are an idiot.

People often use words out of context if it still makes sense. Not like you know how to spell sense as seen in your above posts. Seeing as we are knitpicking here... haha how fun it is to sink to your lvel.. Gosh I need to get out of here! haha...

Do you seriously think I give a dam if a bunch of stoners come along to disagree with me? And I bet I get some stoner saying something "i am not a stoner but I disagrree with you"

People use words out of context do they? How am i supposed to argue with that?

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:45PM

wordcount wrote: »

Is it ill informed to suggest to you that every junkie in the joy started out smoling cannibas, they will tell you it is a drug that leads to other drugs, that aside every person I know who smoke dope on a regular basis and that around 12 people now i CAN COUNT as knowing now and everyone i have know who smokes cannibas regularly have been effective very negtivally by it. from becoming more reclusive to wasting thier money, to not wanting to go out but being happy to stay at home all day getting stoned.

Its about a lifestyle chose. if your happy to think a life like that is a "life worth living", then good luck to you. I for one thinks there more tolive than staying in smoking dope in a moronic haze.

This is also ill informed.

I smoke a lovely big joint before going down to have a business meeting. The meeting would "flow" and there would be laughter and immense brain storming throughout. Chilled atmosphere as everyone is as ease with my presense. In fact a joint or two has taken to edge of big meetings and has contributed to some of my highest paid projects.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:47PM

rubadub wrote: »

So I take it you would like to see alcohol illegal too? It must similarly be for complete losers.

Do you take any recreational drugs at all? e.g. alcohol, caffeine..[/quote]

Caffeine.

rubadub wrote: »

Look alcohol is a drug that complete muppets take, absolute winos & bums take alcohol.
You seem completely blind to the fact that people can and do take drugs in moderate doses, the vast majority of alcohol users are not winos, just like the majority of cannabis users are not the equivalent- zonked out stoners. .

Having a few beers every night is pretty sad too in my opinion, especially if on your own in your own house.

rubadub wrote: »

Many are blind to the widespread usage since people can be discrete and not noticeably high. So people figure all users are like the one they can notice, but can totally accept a wino is not the norm.

Alcoholism is wrong and sad too, does not make cannibis ok.

rubadub wrote: »

If cannabis was legal consumption of alcohol would drop. I would prefer that situation. I would also like the government to be getting all the money they are missing out on, in the form of tax. And I would like to see taxpayers money not used to house many "criminals".

You have stastical proff of that? What a complete load of rubbish. Sales of dutch gold would sky rocket more like it.

amacachi · 08-11-2008 05:50PM

If the OP is going to copy and paste something maybe he could point out that it's a british article.
Irish laws don't have "Class A" etc, it has different "Schedules".

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:50PM

wordcount wrote: »

Caffeine.

Having a few beers every night is pretty sad too in my opinion, especially if on your own in your own house.

Alcoholism is wrong and sad too, does not make cannibis ok.

You have stastical proff of that? What a complete load of rubbish. Sales of dutch gold would sky rocket more like it.

Are you really that blind? You missed one important line in the study in the OP... Since the de-criminilization of cannabis in the UK alcohol consumption levels have dropped.

Open your eyes, your mind, your heart, your ears and see what is around you. I cannot even begin to try and imagine what it must feel like in that prison of yours. Is it cold and damp in there?.. In fact please dont tell me, I dont need to hear, my day has been too joyful to be tarnished by your potential thoughts of nonsense...

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:50PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

This is also ill informed.

I smoke a lovely big joint before going down to have a business meeting. The meeting would "flow" and there would be laughter and immense brain storming throughout. Chilled atmosphere as everyone is as ease with my presense. In fact a joint or two has taken to edge of big meetings and has contributed to some of my highest paid projects.

And you say I was trolling? Is that business meeting where you go down too your local spar and negotiate with the shop assistant for how many bags of chickatees you can get with a big handful of change, while you hold everyone else in the que up.

Zillah · 08-11-2008 05:51PM

wordcount wrote: »

Is it ill informed to suggest to you that every junkie in the joy started out smoling cannibas

I'm sure they drank alcohol, tea and orange juice too. Doesn't mean I'm going to assume any of them caused it.

that aside every person I know who smoke dope on a regular basis and that around 12 people now i CAN COUNT as knowing now and everyone i have know who smokes cannibas regularly have been effective very negtivally by it. from becoming more reclusive to wasting thier money, to not wanting to go out but being happy to stay at home all day getting stoned.

Unluckily for you, you seem to know a great many horrible wasters. I, however, know a great deal of intelligent, creative, sociable people who would smoke as often as I drink.

I'm going to ask this question at the risk of sounding like a condescending wanker: Do you live in a working class area?

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:52PM

Toiletroll wrote: »

Caffeine.

Having a few beers every night is pretty sad too in my opinion, especially if on your own in your own house.

Alcoholism is wrong and sad too, does not make cannibis ok.

You have stastical proff of that? What a complete load of rubbish. Sales of dutch gold would sky rocket more like it.

Are you really that stupid? You missed one important line in the study in the OP... Since the de-criminilization of cannabis in the UK alcohol consumption level have dropped.

Open your eyes, your mind, your heart, your ears and see what is around you. I ccannt even beging to try and imagine what it must feel like in that prison. is it cold and damp in there?.. In fact please dont tell me, I dont need to hear, my day has been too joyful to be tarnished by your potential thoughts...[/quote]

you think my mind is closed because I choose not to take cannibas. you are so far gone that you cannot understand a world without turing your head to mush. Life is beautiful in the real world. You dont need to be stoned to enjoy life.

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:54PM

Zillah wrote: »

I'm sure they drank alcohol, tea and orange juice too. Doesn't mean I'm going to assume any of them caused it.

Unluckily for you, you seem to know a great many horrible wasters. I, however, know a great deal of intelligent, creative, sociable people who would smoke as often as I drink.

I'm going to ask this question at the risk of sounding like a condescending wanker: Do you live in a working class area?

Yes regular cannibas users i know are wasters. That is those who smoke cannibas every day. Great people in thier own way, but wasting their lives. which is a shame.

Toiletroll · 08-11-2008 05:55PM

wordcount wrote: »

Are you really that stupid? You missed one important line in the study in the OP... Since the de-criminilization of cannabis in the UK alcohol consumption level have dropped.

Open your eyes, your mind, your heart, your ears and see what is around you. I ccannt even beging to try and imagine what it must feel like in that prison. is it cold and damp in there?.. In fact please dont tell me, I dont need to hear, my day has been too joyful to be tarnished by your potential thoughts...

you think my mind is closed because I choose not to take cannibas. you are so far gone that you cannot understand a world without turing your head to mush. Life is beautiful in the real world. You dont need to be stoned to enjoy life.

No you stupid idiot. Nobody has to take cannabis. But you label ALL CANNABIS USERS as wasters who are not worth as human beings.

You are constantly missing the point and it just shows how small minded of a person you are. Its quite literally shocking, yet stimulating for me to view your so-called "mentality" spread (albeit (see i can use that word too) thinly) through this otherwise interesting thread

wordcount · 08-11-2008 05:56PM

Are you really that stupid? You missed one important line in the study in the OP... Since the de-criminilization of cannabis in the UK alcohol consumption level have dropped.

And there is direct statistical proof that the decline in alcolhol sales can be directly atributed to the increased consumption of cannibas? Make some sense man please.

Study clears cannabis of schizophrenia rap

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