2,500 dead from drug abuse/OD in Ireland from '98-'05, does anyone care?

nipplenuts wrote: »

I don't care about them. In many ways I'm sorry there's not more of them gone. The only "illness" they suffer from is selfishness. They are a burden on the health services at a time when other services (the cuts today, eg) for people who are victims of actual illness are being curtailed.

you sir are completely clueless

Des wrote: »

EVERYONE knows the dangers of heroin, so anyone who takes it is a retard and deserves everything they get, including death.

as are you

Fair play to anyone on drugs though who decides to get help..they deserve our full support but I have no time or sympathy for drug users of any kind

id hazard a guess that a large enough proportion to be relevant of the figures quoted are people who tried to quite went to rehab and then relapsed and accidently overdosed

I hate the judgemental crap on these threads of "they deserve to die". It's profoundly ignorant and stupid.

+1

Anyone who tries heroin "for the buzz" deserves what's coming.
Nothing judgemental or crap about it,just plain fact.
I'll refrain from labelling you stupid or ignorant because you normally post good sound opinions but sorry Dudess, i don't agree with your 'blanket slander'.

another clueless poster. there are plenty of people who try heroin when they should know better there are also a vast vast population of junkies who try it barely out of primary school(maybe not so much any more but up until 5 years ago definitely)

I assume the people saying they deserve to die also feel the same about alcoholics who die of alcohol related illness / smokers who die of smoking related illness and even gambling addicts who get themselves so in over their that they eitehr kill themselves or get killed by the unsavouries they owed money to due to their addiction

addiction completely runs in my family, grand parents / uncles as alcoholics (most functioning alcoholics but alcoholics nonetheless) gambling addicts n and i have an addictive personality however i know this because i was brought up very well and was well educated and i realised i can channel this personality into other avenues. alot of people do not have the same opportunities as i did and as a result of it fell into a spiraling hole they couldnt get out of this includes junkies

PeakOutput wrote: »

they also happen to be the same countries with the lowest drug related crimes and highest functioning addict populations

Doesnt take a genius to do the maths there, giv ecriminals free **** so they dotn have to steal. Sure we can just use our infinate bucket of money to do the same. Sure **** it, us law abiding citizens can just carry the can and pay for the lot. I'd rathe rpoliticians stole from me to live in a lap of luxury than junkies getting their gear for free so they dont run the risk of buying bad ****.

Think I'll become a burglar, that way the government will deliver a pallet of tv's, dvd players and laptops to me every month to make sure I dont have to acttually break into peoples houses.

Decent memebrs of society shouldnt be given a free supply of money so I dotn see why junkies and criminals should.

PeakOutput wrote: »

name one thing its a crime to be addicted to please

You can be addicted to Heroin all you like, you just cant buy it or steal to buy it.


Either way, what has a self inflicted addiction got to do with it?

I have an addiction to spend money, I honestly cant have money in my pocket without spending it. If I get paid in cash too late on a friday to get to a bank my wages dont last till monday, which means my bills dont get paid (happens more often than I'd like). Why are the government not stepping in to pay my bils for me?

Stekelly wrote: »

I have an addiction to spend money, I honestly cant have money in my pocket without spending it. If I get paid in cash too late on a friday to get to a bank my wages dont last till monday, which means my bills dont get paid (happens more often than I'd like). Why are the government not stepping in to pay my bils for me?

fine ill bite even though its a stupid analogy

because you dont get a free ride. they will/should help you get any and all necessary treatment for your addiction(counciling psychological help whatever its part of free health care afaik and if its not it should be). mental addiction can be as powerfull as physical addiction but treating the symptoms(paying your bills so you dont have to) is not the same as curing the disease(finding out why you need to do this and giving you medically sound ways to help you out)

Stekelly wrote: »

Giving people free clean heroin and needles is a physical thing.

the physical part of the sentence was refering to your analogy that was a mental addiction not a physical one

but anyway

it dosnt have to be free but even if it was forcing people to go cold turkey is physically dangerous so the best treatment is to ween them off gradually while they receive counciling and any other help they need

if the best treatment for your imaginary addiction is to pay the persons bills then thats what needs to be done. the solution is only as ridicolous as your analogy

who decides who is more deserving? everyone is born equal.

it is (usually) social problems at the stem of drug and other harmful addictions which suggests that at some point society(yes you and i) caused the situation and therefore we have a responsibility to clean it up and not carry on with reckless abandon. and if its not because the person was from a deprived background but because they have somewhat of an addictive personality then, imo i dont know if its been scientifically proven and im not bothered looking, that is no less deserving of treatment as say.........a genetic disposition to depression

PeakOutput wrote: »

who decides who is more deserving? everyone is born equal.

Yes we are born equal, our choices from then on can make us less equal members of society. People who steal cars, break into houses, become junkies (and then partake in the stealig etc) etc are not equal to me and no amount of pc rubbish and whiging about the poor unfortunate souls is going to change my mind on that.

People need to grow unp and take responsibility for themselves instead of going through life like the country owes them somthing because they **** themselves up.

I know people first hand on both sides of the druig equation (junkies and people in large quantity supply) they are scum and nothing more. I also know little scumbag car thieves. These people are not equal to me in society and I would begrudge them every cent of any help they get that comes from tax I pay.

Stekelly wrote: »

I know people first hand on both sides of the druig equation (junkies and people in large quantity supply) they are scum and nothign more.

well then you associate with scum and they would probably be scum with or without the drugs

someone i know on the other hand grew up in an affluent neighbourhood was the son of a very well respected man and the youngest brother to perfectly 'normal' siblings

when he was somewhere between 13 and 15 someone(a scumbag) gave him heroin and he chose to take it(this was his mistake). cue the stealing from family first(as he could didnt want to steal but had to so figured stealling small things from family was preferable to mugging on the street) and then disapearing for 3 years and then being found completely longing for help. then cue many many years of heartache in an inept rehabilitation system trying to kick the habit and a final relapse were he took the amount of heroin he was used to before rehab which his body wasnt used to after that amount of time and died.

leave aside him personally and weather he did or did not deserve to die for a second and what about his family. did they deserve the physical pain of knowing every day someone they loved had to commit a crime just so he wouldnt have to go threw the physical pain withdrawal causes. should they have had to have the fact that they had to kick him out on the streets because there was nowhere else for him to go on their concience(sp)?

i dont think they should have and i think they as upstanding members of society should be given the help they needed (and they pay taxes for)

amacachi wrote: »

Just out of interest, do you see all alcoholics as nothing but scum?

If they start stelaing from the innocent member sof society then yes. Use your own money to do as you like, it's when you involve the rest of us or effect money that would otherwise go to people who deserve it that you drop a level.

If a self made millionaire spends his money getting locked all day at home thats his choice. Someone who decides the dole and hassling people in the streets is a career is a different kettle of fish.

PeakOutput wrote: »

well then you associate with scum and they would probably be scum with or without the drugs

Where did I say I associate with them? I said I know them?

You cant choose your family or the familes of people in your family are involved with (thats a lot of family :-) )


BTW what makes the junkies I know scum with or without drugs yet the guy you know is a poor unfortunate victim of circumstance?

Stekelly wrote: »

If a self made millionaire spends his money getting locked all day at home thats his choice. Someone who decides the dole and hassling people in the streets is a career is a different kettle of fish.

kinda says it all ste its not all about money. in fact when you put two people side by side one a millionaire junky and one a homeless one who cant afford it. it strikes home with me that its the homeless man who needs the help more than the millionaire

fine right now we are in a recession but we are in a recession because of having shortsighted tools in control of everything. id be very suprised if eliminating the need for spending money on drug offenders and all the costs associated with keeping them in prison etc helping people they hurt to feed their addiction etcetcetc did not completely offset the cost of proper treatment if not bring the country an actual profit