Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

L'prof · 01-11-2008 06:55PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Thats a relief, cheers

I'm not so sure it really matters to be honest!

Frisbee · 01-11-2008 09:48PM

We're in serious trouble regarding Villa.
I fully expect them to win tomorrow which will put them 3 points ahead of us.
Then if I'm honest I really don't think we'll get anything out of the United game. Whereas Villa have Boro which they should win.
So that means they could be 6 points ahead of us before we even get to play them...

keano_afc · 01-11-2008 10:02PM

It'll be ok, we'll beat a very ordinary Fenerbache team on Wednesday and AW will tell us we're world beaters. I have to agree with Frisbee, we are really gonna struggle to finish top 4 this season. And before I hear "hang on its only November" from everybody, yeah it is. And we've lost 3 games in our easiest start to a season in years. Where is the evidence its going to get better? We've a manager who simply will not spend money and insists on playing young inexperienced players who are simpy not up to it. Arsene knows? Yeah, he knows how sacrifice success out of his own stubborness to change his policy.

Mossy Monk · 01-11-2008 10:28PM

I know results aren't going the way of Arsenal but still only 6 points behind the leaders.

JPA · 01-11-2008 10:33PM

Frisbee wrote: »

Was playing a match today so couldnt see it. Thought I heard wrong when the guy on the radio said we lost. Sickening Losing to Fulham, Spuds, Hull and Stoke?
Yeah, serious title challenge this year...

It might have felt like a loss but it wasn't!

LuckyLloyd · 02-11-2008 01:52AM

Lads, getting rid of Wenger would seem like a huge mistake imo. It's not just that I think ye are only a year or two / player or two short of winning it all - who the **** would you bring in with better credentials?

From what I can gather from the outside looking in, this is really year 2 or 3 of the second phase in his reign and the building of his second Arsenal team (if team one was Vieira, Henry, Pires, Campbell, etc...). And the margins for error are slimmer than they were back in 1998. Keep the faith. At least ye will have some nice football to watch while you wait!

newbie2 · 02-11-2008 02:39AM

OK just watched the stoke game on Football first. Fcuking Almunia is to lame for both the goals. ifyou look at how other keepers have delt with the delap threat - coming for the ball- almunia did nt' get near them - the second one is embarressing. 3 game lost already IT DOESNT BOWD WELL. i'm drunk and am in tears.

Helix · 02-11-2008 05:36AM

almunia is dodgy at the best of times, id nearly say hed be a priority for you before a flamini replacement

Galvasean · 02-11-2008 01:55PM

So it looks like we may be without Adebayor, RvP an Walcott for the game against United. its on sky Sports One at 12:45
Hmm... may go to work that day.

Frisbee · 02-11-2008 02:02PM

Galvasean wrote: »

So it looks like we may be without Adebayor, RvP an Walcott for the game against United. its on sky Sports One at 12:45
Hmm... may go to work that day.

Sagna and Eboue, our two right backs aswell. So team could look like:

Almunia

Djourou---Song---Toure---Clichy
Nasri---Fab---Denilson---Diaby
Vela---Bendtner

As much as Im psyched at Vela possibly getting a start I dont think Wenger will risk it. More likely play Bendtner up front on his own with Diaby in behind him with I dunno who on the left...

Galvasean · 02-11-2008 02:04PM

Frisbee wrote: »

Sagna and Eboue, our two right backs aswell. So team could look like:
Almunia
Djourou---Song---Toure---Clichy
Nasri---Fab---Denilson---Diaby
Vela---Bendtner

As much as Im psyched at Vela possibly getting a start I dont think Wenger will risk it. More likely play Bendtner up front on his own with Diaby in behind him with I dunno who on the left...

Maybe put Denilson on the left, slot Song into the middle and put Silvestre in CB with Toure?

Frisbee · 02-11-2008 02:06PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Maybe put Denilson on the left, slot Song into the middle and put Silvestre in CB with Toure?

Completely forgot about Silvestre!
Yeah that sounds better alright, really doesnt leave much depth on the bench if we need to make a change though. Still not up on Paddy Power, I wonder what odds they're gonna give us...

PHB · 02-11-2008 02:30PM

IMO the biggest blow by a counrty mile is Sagna out. Last time we played Arsenal we hockied them because we exploited their weak full backs, its always been what United do against Arsenal. Sagna being out is a massive boost for United. Van Persie and Walcott are just bonuses

Frisbee · 02-11-2008 02:32PM

Losing Sagna wouldn't have been that bad if Eboue had have been fit. He's quite a good right back. Very Worried about whoever is going to go in there now though. Djourou/Song etc. Not sure if they'll be up to it

Pepe LeFrits · 02-11-2008 02:55PM

Toure is a better RB than Eboue so I'd hope he's put there.

Galvasean · 02-11-2008 02:57PM

There's always Ogogo...

Pepe LeFrits · 02-11-2008 03:17PM

He couldn't get a deal with Nottingham Forest, although I suppose these days that might not necessarily disqualify you from being good enough to defend for Arsenal...

yahoo_moe · 03-11-2008 10:00AM

http://gunnerblog.com/?p=1180

Not a huge amount in here that's new or shocking in terms of last summer's transfer activity, but he makes an interesting point towards the end:

If I believed we could retain all of these youngsters until 2011, I am sure we might be able to mount a serious challenge for the major prizes around then. But as Hleb and Flamini’s departures indicate, that will not be possible...

I hope the board get out there now and appoint a tough, football-savvy CEO -and, crucially, that they make the appointment without Arsene’s input. The manager shouldn’t be hiring his own boss. If we don’t bring in someone who can regulate Arsene’s stubborn principle-driven methods with a bit of harsh reality, the downward spiral of the team will continue.

Arsene knows. He knows an awful lot. But he is not God...

Arsene has come in for plenty of criticism, and I can understand why. Player acquisition is a huge part of modern football management. However, despite what some might suggest, we do have one of the world’s greatest managers. Now, it is simply time for him to prove it.

Arsenal1986 · 03-11-2008 10:39AM

yeah i agree i think ppl are starting to get genuinely worried because if it was a case of just waiting until the summer an buying two/three players an then starting next season genuinely challenging that would be one thing but one fears a bad season this year could lead to cesc, ade a few others clamouring to leave

L'prof · 03-11-2008 11:34AM

Arsenal1986 wrote: »

yeah i agree i think ppl are starting to get genuinely worried because if it was a case of just waiting until the summer an buying two/three players an then starting next season genuinely challenging that would be one thing but one fears a bad season this year could lead to cesc, ade a few others clamouring to leave

I felt that was all we had to do last summer to be honest (and we didn't)!

Quazzie · 03-11-2008 11:52AM

Maybe missing out on Europe this year will be the kick in the bollocks that Wenger needs to start buying some quality experience, not just Premiership cast offs that no one else wants.

mike65 · 03-11-2008 11:54AM

There is lengthy Guardian blog/thread thats worth a read.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/nov/01/premierleague-arsenal?commentpage=1

Mike

lanod2407 · 03-11-2008 01:32PM

Gotta say that I'm becoming somewhat disenchanted with Mr Wenger - he's losing the plot and if we do not qualify for Europe he'll not need to worry about making buying decision for Arsenal.

Stoke has now made his poor decision-making a crisis.
We cannt defend, 2 CB's who will not / cannot head a ball.
Buying Man Utd's cast-offs
Making Gallas captain again after the Birmingham fiasco

Please - don't tell me he's still the man.

jesus_thats_gre · 03-11-2008 02:00PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Lads, getting rid of Wenger would seem like a huge mistake imo. It's not just that I think ye are only a year or two / player or two short of winning it all - who the **** would you bring in with better credentials?

From what I can gather from the outside looking in, this is really year 2 or 3 of the second phase in his reign and the building of his second Arsenal team (if team one was Vieira, Henry, Pires, Campbell, etc...). And the margins for error are slimmer than they were back in 1998. Keep the faith. At least ye will have some nice football to watch while you wait!

Exactly. While things might be painful in the short term, Arsenal are only a player or two off being able to genuinely challenge for the league. When a manager brings you this close, you have to have faith him.

Quazzie · 03-11-2008 02:05PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Exactly. While things might be painful in the short term, Arsenal are only a player or two off being able to genuinely challenge for the league. When a manager brings you this close, you have to have faith him.

Thats a valid point but we are not moving closer to a title and instead are moving further away. We are one or two player(I think 3 myself) short of a title challenging team, but next year the way things are going and how reluctant he is to buy players we might be 4 or 5 away.

jamesozzie · 03-11-2008 02:13PM

How the hell is Alex Song getting away with being in the team, worst Arsenal player I can EVER remember seeing. Has anybody seen him doing anything remotely positive? If so name when and in what game, i'l take a look. He cant run, he cant tackle, he cant pass and his positioning is the worst from any player in the premiership I can think of. He runs around like a headless chicken and doesnt even look for the ball (which is problem a good thing coz he'll loose it)

Frisbee · 03-11-2008 02:22PM

jamesozzie wrote: »

How the hell is Alex Song getting away with being in the team, worst Arsenal player I can EVER remember seeing. Has anybody seen him doing anything remotely positive? If so name when and in what game, i'l take a look. He cant run, he cant tackle, he cant pass and his positioning is the worst from any player in the premiership I can think of. He runs around like a headless chicken and doesnt even look for the ball (which is problem a good thing coz he'll loose it)

I quite like Song, think he's a good player.
And I do remember him having one cracking game earlier in the season. Can't remember against who, possibly Blackburn? Not sure.

As for worse Arsenal players: Pascal Cygan

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 03-11-2008 02:22PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Exactly. While things might be painful in the short term, Arsenal are only a player or two off being able to genuinely challenge for the league. When a manager brings you this close, you have to have faith him.

This is a fair statement. The problem with this reasoning and why a lot of Arsenal fans have become disenfranchised with Wenger at the moment is that he still refuses to go out and find these players. Along with that, the players leaving every year just keep slowing any progress that he has made with the team.

jamesozzie · 03-11-2008 03:25PM

Frisbee wrote: »

I quite like Song, think he's a good player.
And I do remember him having one cracking game earlier in the season. Can't remember against who, possibly Blackburn? Not sure.

As for worse Arsenal players: Pascal Cygan

I dont want to question your judgement but what did he do in that Blackburn game? I cant remember him doing 1 decent thing for arsenal and to say he had a "cracker" has convinced me to look at that game again later. Everytime Song plays Arsenal might as well be playing with 10 men, he dosn't know how to mark, he cant pass and he cant tackle. To add to that he never looks for the ball so he just runs around the pitch like a headless chicken.

I admire Wenger a lot but when he play's Song I seriously question his judgement. Wenger and his style of play is the reason I like Arsenal and for that reason I have tried to like song, I tried to convince myself he is a decent player but to this date I analyse him EVERY MATCH and its the same - he's awful.

Quazzie · 03-11-2008 03:29PM

jamesozzie wrote: »

I dont want to question your judgement but what did he do in that Blackburn game? I cant remember him doing 1 decent thing for arsenal and to say he had a "cracker" has convinced me to look at that game again later. Everytime Song plays Arsenal might as well be playing with 10 men, he dosn't know how to mark, he cant pass and he cant tackle. To add to that he never looks for the ball so he just runs around the pitch like a headless chicken.

I admire Wenger a lot but when he play's Song I seriously question his judgement. Wenger and his style of play is the reason I like Arsenal and for that reason I have tried to like song, I tried to convince myself he is a decent player but to this date I analyse him EVERY MATCH and its the same - he's awful.

Controversy Alert!! Thats nearly my exact views on Denilson

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