The whole 800 years thing...

mike65 wrote: »

Jasus Terry don't let nationalism get in the way of facts eh?

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Quite different to the stAts I saw, but they do look quite right.
However, note the 2 million drop between 1841 and 1851.
Don't let the British version of history get in the way of facts eh?

dSTAR wrote: »

I am well aware of all the horrors that the British visited upon indigenous people all around the world not least the Australian aborigines. But in the words of Irish band The Corrs I would say...

You are forgiven .. not forgotten

Between the Corrs, Boyzone and Westlife, I guess we're getting our own back anyway.

javaboy wrote: »

Between the Corrs, Boyzone and Westlife, I guess we're getting our own back anyway.

Not to mention Graham Norton :eek:

Domo230 wrote: »

Germany didnt start ww1.
Seriously if were going to talk history people need to know their stuff.
Its for reasons like this that I normally avoid historical discussions like the plague.

It's a known fact that Germany had a hand in starting WWI. The assassination of the Archduke was just the catalyst that started it, but everyone knew WWI was coming and it was inevitable, but Germany were the ones that orcehestrated it all, why do you think they were the ones who got it bad during the Treaty eh?

Marco Little Pail wrote: »

How so? (I'm not being antagonistic, I'm genuinely curious.)

Basic religious hatred.
The whole Catholic/Protestant thing is still rampant in some parts.
How do people not know that?

obl wrote: »

Or do some Irish people cling onto a part of Britain that was never part of an Irish nation?

There was never an Irish nation, but there would have been eventually, much like there was never an England or Scotland or Wales.

Domo230 wrote: »

Bull****, millions did not die. Im assuming your referring mainly to the great famine but what most people seem to forget is that previous famines such as the 1780s were extremey well handled and that the United kingdom gave what is estimated to be 10 ercent of their treasury feeding the people and banned exports. Crop failure was an incredibly comon occurence and if we had been ruled by any other nation [included ruled by ourselves] we would have starved to death. The fact is that until the napoleonic war recession we were doing better than ever.

The British took all the good crops and fed themselves with them.
I have no idea where you get your history from, but it is seriouslt flawed.

Do you honestly think that all those people died or left the country because they were happy/
did they leave because they wanted to be ruled by an oppressive force?

They left because the british didn't give a flying fúck about us.
The crops were plenty. It was only the potato crop that failed and that was all we were allowed eat. Everything else was taken from the tenant farmers and sent to Britain.
Read a book.

Also your so called statistics are way off. Whats your source, wikipedia?

No.
I've actually read some books on this.

No they wernt oppresive to the last. Things were unequal but its time to get over it, much worse things have happened since the troubles and have been forgiven.

Ask someone from a Catholic area of the North if they felt oppressed.
Honestly, your apologist atitude really offends me. I.m close to tears.

No but your version is extremely biased as is most peoples

Ok, they were benevolent invaders.
God bless them and their penal laws. They really showed us how to live and civilised us.

If any other country had occupied us we would have been treated a whole lot worse. The problem is if compared to a modern scenario it often appears excessive.

How the fúck does that even matter?
That never happened.
Stop trying to pass the blame.

Well should Ireland be the centre of the discussion, you seem to forget that there is a lot more to cover in British history given their position as a previous superpower.

I don't really give a shít what damage they did to the rest of the world. All I know is that they messed up this country and some people seem to be offended that I, and others, are aware of it.

The fact that you in any way compare when Ireland was a part of Britain to the Holocaust is pathetic.

Valid comparison in my opinion.

Please come back when your knowledge of events goes beyond the leaving cert syllabus.

Inter cert for me, but I did do further research on my own time.

fingal hoop wrote: »

britain starved the Irish - they took food out of ireland when millions were dying of hunger -

Some people seem to forget that.

Domo230 wrote: »

Incredibly biased and oversimplified in the extreme.

Basic truth really.

Riddle101 wrote: »

Well i love Ireland and hated Britain for the whole 800 years thing but i don't have a grudge. I like Britain, and i think we should forget the past and move ahead. Don't forget that Germany stated WWI and II but that dosen't mean we're going to hold a grudge on them for that now dose it? It's just something that we have to let go of, and people who continue to taunt their flute about how Britain are our enemies are ignorant as fcuk and just IRA wanabes

The British declared war on Germany in 1939.
If it wasn't for Germany some countries would still be under French, Dutch and British rule.

With all the fat feckers now roaming the streets, it's hard to believe that millions starved to death.