What martial arts or self defence course shall I enrole in?

Nappy · 14-10-2008 02:34AM #1

Hey im 20, a beginner and looking to start at least one defence course, what shall I pick and why?? Im looking for one that covers most elements in fighting.. Any help would be much appreciated..
Cheers..

TKD SC · 14-10-2008 08:53AM

Nappy wrote: »

Hey im 20, a beginner and looking to start at least one defence course, what shall I pick and why?? Im looking for one that covers most elements in fighting.. Any help would be much appreciated..
Cheers..

Hello,

Whereabouts are you situated? - it will be easier if we know where and then people can start recommending places that are near / near enough to you...

Baggio... · 14-10-2008 11:09AM

If your in Dublin contact Jon Mackey - he knows his stuff, and is affiliated to the same group I am.

Here's our website: www.ucireland.com

Hope it helps,

Rob.

Naos · 14-10-2008 11:33AM

If you're around the Dublin 15 area, check out Coomine JiuJitsu club.

Train on Monday at 20:00 - 22:15 in the Coolmine Sports Complex. Good mix of lads, cover Self defense, Judo techniques and a lot of groundwork.

getz · 14-10-2008 11:50AM

if --you can find one. train in shotokan karate-it is excepted by most karate styles as the one they all aim to emulate

silat liam · 14-10-2008 11:52AM

Hi
Find an art form you will enjoy doing and a teacher who can help you. If you interested in what we we do.We have clubs in different location in Dublin and we teach Combat silat and Lameco Eskrima and cover all 4 ranges and combat scenarios. If you like more detail, my contact number below. Good luck with your search

Liam

Baggio... · 14-10-2008 12:05PM

There's a lot of choices here as you'd expect.

Best thing is to check out everyone's website, and see what info is there. Then go along to the one you feel is closest to your original idea.

Or just ask the guys here, a few specific questions about what they do.

Roper · 14-10-2008 12:08PM

getz wrote: »

if --you can find one. train in shotokan karate-it is excepted by most karate styles as the one they all aim to emulate

Not that I'm involved in kratty on any level, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I'd say if they wanted to emulate shotokan they'd just go to a shotokan club?

pearsquasher · 14-10-2008 12:11PM

I highly recommend that you go to a number of different clubs and see how they train and ask them yourself in person as many questions as possible.

It's worth doing as much research as possible person-to-person. If you put the physical effort in attending clubs, the right art for you will appear.

Bujinkan (Ninjutsu) has got all weapons, ranges and all fighting skills in its syllabus so pop down to my club anytime.

getz · 14-10-2008 12:57PM

the big problom is that most of the karate clubs around -have been started since 1960s --the first karate started in okinawa-from chinese kempo -when it moved to the jap mainland-it was called karate the first style and kata,s was formed called shotokan --other styles of karate that have been invented since have no real history -and it is said by failed shotokan teachers

Baggio... · 14-10-2008 01:00PM

getz wrote: »

the big problom is that most of the karate clubs around -have been started since 1960s --the first karate started in okinawa-from chinese kempo -when it moved to the jap mainland-it was called karate the first style and kata,s was formed called shotokan --other styles of karate that have been invented since have no real history -and it is said by failed shotokan teachers

*Baggio watching, and now chewing popcorn*:D

FruitLover · 14-10-2008 01:06PM

getz wrote: »

twaddle

Can we get a giant rolleyes for table 2 please?

jim o doom · 14-10-2008 01:07PM

Hey man, I train in Kenpo Karate under 7th Dan Shay McNamee - he has a club located very close to Bus Eireann/Store St garda stn in Dublin city. Kenpo is a street fighting/self defense martial art - if you're interested PM & I can give you contact info etc.
info about kenpo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Kenpo

chopperbyrne · 14-10-2008 01:13PM

pearsquasher wrote: »

I highly recommend that you go to a number of different clubs and see how they train and ask them yourself in person as many questions as possible.

It's worth doing as much research as possible person-to-person. If you put the physical effort in attending clubs, the right art for you will appear.

Bujinkan (Ninjutsu) has got all weapons, ranges and all fighting skills in its syllabus so pop down to my club anytime.

This club has a beginners class starting on the 20th too which you may be able to attend if there are places left.*

*You will have to view one of their standard classes first.

ryoishin · 14-10-2008 01:36PM

OK Ill bite, Not true Getz,

okinawa (sp?) te was around well before karate and it is considered to be karate style. Thats just one example.

Kara te meaning china hand as opposed to empty hand was around well before shotokan. Funashki (sp?) changed the kanji but the pronounciation is the same.

getz · 14-10-2008 01:43PM

three main japanese martial arts--are judo [would not recommend unless you are big] aikido- thinking mans martial art [i wasent intelligent enough to pass more than a couple of grades] jujitsu--[i kept well away far to rough for me] --karate-[best to do a traditional style so you dont get beat up and you can learn moves and strikes that are banned in the sporting styles

Tim_Murphy · 14-10-2008 01:47PM

aikido- thinking mans martial art [i wasent intelligent enough to pass more than a couple of grades]

There seemed to be a complete lack of critical thinking in any of the Aikido training I've seen so I would dispute that.

Naos · 14-10-2008 02:02PM

getz wrote: »

three main japanese martial arts--are judo [would not recommend unless you are big] aikido- thinking mans martial art [i wasent intelligent enough to pass more than a couple of grades] jujitsu--[i kept well away far to rough for me] --karate-[best to do a traditional style so you dont get beat up and you can learn moves and strikes that are banned in the sporting styles

Are you kidding? One of the main things the OP was asking about was Self-defense.

Yes, the best self-defense is to run/avoid a fight at all possible costs but still, I'd rather take a 'beating' in a controlled enviornment and learn how to deal with it than running the risk of taking a beating in the street with zero realistic training.

Edit: I'm not trying to come across as a hardman by any means.

Mark Hamill · 14-10-2008 02:09PM

getz wrote: »

three main japanese martial arts--are judo [would not recommend unless you are big] aikido- thinking mans martial art [i wasent intelligent enough to pass more than a couple of grades] jujitsu--[i kept well away far to rough for me] --karate-[best to do a traditional style so you dont get beat up and you can learn moves and strikes that are banned in the sporting styles

Firstly you list 4 martial arts here, not 3 :P.
Secondly, its no so much certain strikes that are banned in sport styles, but certain targets that are banned (if you can muay thai kick someone in the thigh, then you can muay thai kick them in the balls in much the same way). Some banned moves are different in technique than the moves allowed in sport, but seeing as you wont do them in trad martial arts against resisting oponnents, you're not really going to learn them better there anyway.

pearsquasher · 14-10-2008 02:20PM

For the record, Chopperbyrne wrote about my club:

This club has a beginners class starting on the 20th too which you may be able to attend if there are places left.*
*You will have to view one of their standard classes first.

This is incorrect. The Bujinkan club he refers to is my own instructors one in Rathgar which offers beginner-specific intro courses. My club, in the Liberties, accepts beginners at any time. You do have to watch a class first though in most Bujinkan clubs including mine and Rathgar... and ask lots of questions.

cowzerp · 14-10-2008 02:23PM

This thread hiilarious, shotakan? its tip tap stuff.
kenpo, kata's are where its at!

learn a functional art like muay thai, boxing, kickboxing and if possible mma. if you want grappling there is judo and bjj in most areas now..

Damo W · 14-10-2008 02:31PM

getz wrote: »

if --you can find one. train in shotokan karate-it is excepted by most karate styles as the one they all aim to emulate

getz wrote: »

the big problom is that most of the karate clubs around -have been started since 1960s --the first karate started in okinawa-from chinese kempo -when it moved to the jap mainland-it was called karate the first style and kata,s was formed called shotokan --other styles of karate that have been invented since have no real history -and it is said by failed shotokan teachers

nearly had me after the first one.... but you had to ruin it with the second...

hmmmmmmmmmm.... 4/10 (for effort)!!!!

Roper · 14-10-2008 02:32PM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Firstly you list 4 martial arts here, not 3 :P

No you miscounted
A) Judo
2) Jiujitsu

Karate
and 3) Aikido

Baggio... · 14-10-2008 02:45PM

cowzerp wrote: »

This thread hiilarious, shotakan? its tip tap stuff.
kenpo, kata's are where its at!

Gotta' go with Paul here.

getz · 14-10-2008 02:55PM

got to answer--in okinawa at the turn of the 20th century most people still did not talk fluent japanese--the word karate was used in japan as the nearest interpretation to the chinese word[openhand] --- judo and aikido come from the style jujitsu

judo from Dr kano---aikido from ueshiba--- the martial arts that is now known as karate was taken to japan by request of prince hirohito {soon to be come emperor] by gichin funakoshi -on request of the young prince it was called by the japanese name of katate--the style shotokan after its funakoshi--[who also developed the katas of judo.for his friend, Dr Kano--] this was told to me by my teachers sensi kannazowa sensi c mac ---also it is nice to know that the sporting styles are teaching eye blinding and ball ripping---[like hell they are

ryoishin · 14-10-2008 03:03PM

Karate means empty hand not open hand.

When funashki was asked to name his style it was called shoto kan after the name of his dojo.

eye gouging is the same as a jab you just stick your finger out.

cowzerp · 14-10-2008 03:21PM

getz wrote: »

---also it is nice to know that the sporting styles are teaching eye blinding and ball ripping---[like hell they are

Your the type that gives trad arts a bad name, if you's train ball removal and eye gouging then i'm sure there is no 1 left in your club-:rolleyes:

eye gouging is easy! as is striking to the balls, im sure a trained SPORT fighter could do this better if the had the intent to.

getz · 14-10-2008 03:22PM

as i said chinese open hand the best the japanese came up with was empty hand----shoto -kan means house of shoto which is :eek: to the japanese means house of Gichin Funakoshi--dont ask me why i am told that the japanese i know is said in a tokyo accent--the japs are always laughing at me

ryoishin · 14-10-2008 03:26PM

I could be wrong but shotokan means hall of the weaving pines, shoto also is the name of a dagger.

No open hand about it! Its china hand and empty hand.

Empty reflects the Japanese rule banning anyone but the local retainers to carry weapons.

They prob have good reason to laugh.

Roper · 14-10-2008 03:37PM

getz wrote: »

as i said chinese open hand the best the japanese came up with was empty hand----shoto -kan means house of shoto which is :eek: to the japanese means house of Gichin Funakoshi--dont ask me why i am told that the japanese i know is said in a tokyo accent--the japs are always laughing at me

I'm sure they're laughing when you call them japs too. Damn colonials.

Baggio... · 14-10-2008 04:24PM

getz wrote: »

jujitsu
judo from Dr kano---aikido from ueshiba---

Stop with the

It's driving me nuts. Just use a full stop.

What martial arts or self defence course shall I enrole in?

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