Woman doesn't bother paying her rent... wins a court settlement

EKRIUQ · 08-10-2008 07:08PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

That's utterly retarded, as no doubt the people already have money problems so the temptation to just keep the money must be huge.

That's only the tip of the iceberg.

When a person gets a new council house there given allowances of over €3,000 to cover furniture, flooring and white goods.
Before what happened was the council tenant would have to get 2 or 3 quotes and bring them to the social welfare officer and he/she would pass an amount and the tenant would pay a nominal sum about €10. The shop would deliver the goods have the tenant sign for the goods and then the invoice would be sent to the welfare officer who would arrange payment.

But now as before, the tenant gets quotes and brings them to the social welfare officer who then passes the amount but now the money is transferred directly into the tenants account!! (This 100% true)

Quotes given for €1,100 for furniture turns into €250 for the shop and the tenant keeps the rest. 2 months ago I saw a quote for €3,100 that was passed by the welfare officer and not a penny spent on the items on the quote! I know of about 20 instances quotes for different amounts and I'm taking about a small area in Ireland.

I did ring the social welfare officer and he told me he's totally against the new system but somebody high up decided its their right to get it paid directly into their account and even though he knows it's being spent in the pubs and on Flatscreen TV's and he can't do anything about it.

And the killing thing is I hear people complaining plenty about where's the money for the health board gone I think the above answers a lot.

Sam Vimes · 08-10-2008 07:21PM

i wonder will she only have to pay 6k since the scrounger legally owes her that much?

Darragh29 · 08-10-2008 08:38PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

So your friend got screwed and lost out on €1,200 in revenue till it got to court and he got paid. Would your friend let him in the next month to do the same thing and say come on in, I'll let you run up all the bills you want and sure there's a procedure in place so we'll just sort it in court or would he tell him to f*** off the minute he parked on the forecourt?

No, firstly, he came up with his own particular solution to the problem, which to make a long story short, involved him taking all the parts he fitted, back off the car and then giving the customer back his car without the clutch and with the gearbox and a box of bolts in the boot of the car.

But he had to operate within the law, so your man who thought he had managed to pull a stroke by getting the Gardai involved and quoting the letter of the law, ended up with a car in bits on the back of a recovery truck and now he still has to pay someone to fit the clutch and he is also being chased through the District Court by my mate for the two clutch replacements now, (once for removing and fitting the original clutch and once for removing the new clutch he fitted). So in an effort to save 1,200 Euro, he is now exposed to over 3,000 Euro.

The long and the short of it is that the landlady in this case didn't act quick enough and when she did act, she acted in a way that compromised her position as a business person. She obviously didn't bank on the tenant calling her on it and calling in the law, probably she thought that because she was a foreign national, she wouldn't know how to go down the legal route with the landlady. Again, it's down to the woman treating her investment as a cash cow and not as a business operation.

Teacherman · 08-10-2008 08:42PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The landlord did a foolish thing, he threw someone vulnerable out on to the streets. It is up to the Landlord to make sure a lease agreement is drafted up between himself and the tenant.

If the tenant breached the agreement the landlord should have gone down the legal road and contacted his solicitor. By taking the law into his own hands he is only asking for trouble and deserves what he gets.

It seems the tenants board or whatever they call it don't realize people have to pay mortgages on rented property. I know landlords who were forced to sell property because of non payment of rent and the huge amount of time it takes to evict.

Darragh29 · 08-10-2008 08:49PM

Teacherman wrote: »

It seems the tenants board or whatever they call it don't realize people have to pay mortgages on rented property. I know landlords who were forced to sell property because of non payment of rent and the huge amount of time it takes to evict.

The people you knew didn't have their business properly capitalised, cash flow problems arose and the business failed, just like any other business that has cash flow difficulties... The PRTB isn't in existance to provide a safety net for landlords, it is there to enforce legislation.

galwayrush · 08-10-2008 09:04PM

In most countries,if you don't pay the rent, you're chucked out, that's it.
then again, we live in a country where the Goverment insists it has to pay a 20% bonus to our inept HSE people.:mad:

The_Conductor · 08-10-2008 09:14PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

The people you knew didn't have their business properly capitalised, cash flow problems arose and the business failed, just like any other business that has cash flow difficulties... The PRTB isn't in existance to provide a safety net for landlords, it is there to enforce legislation.

In all fairness- the big problem with the PRTB is the time it takes to get a hearing (currently 7-8 months). Its quite unacceptable in a small business context to be haemorhaging cash on a timescale such as this- with no comeback whatsoever. The PTRB is in existence at least partly to make people aware of their rights and obligations, but also to resolve disputes as they arise. They are not conducting their dispute resolutions in a timely manner.......

Darragh29 · 08-10-2008 09:25PM

smccarrick wrote: »

In all fairness- the big problem with the PRTB is the time it takes to get a hearing (currently 7-8 months). Its quite unacceptable in a small business context to be haemorhaging cash on a timescale such as this- with no comeback whatsoever. The PTRB is in existence at least partly to make people aware of their rights and obligations, but also to resolve disputes as they arise. They are not conducting their dispute resolutions in a timely manner.......

Yeah but in a business context, if one of your customers went to the wall owing you 10K, you'd be extremely lucky! When your starting up, this could be a major problem for you. If after a few years trading, you can take the hit, you survive...

Scawgeen · 08-10-2008 09:49PM

Namesco wrote: »

That's only the tip of the iceberg.

When a person gets a new council house there given allowances of over €3,000 to cover furniture, flooring and white goods.
Before what happened was the council tenant would have to get 2 or 3 quotes and bring them to the social welfare officer and he/she would pass an amount and the tenant would pay a nominal sum about €10. The shop would deliver the goods have the tenant sign for the goods and then the invoice would be sent to the welfare officer who would arrange payment.

But now as before, the tenant gets quotes and brings them to the social welfare officer who then passes the amount but now the money is transferred directly into the tenants account!! (This 100% true)

Quotes given for €1,100 for furniture turns into €250 for the shop and the tenant keeps the rest. 2 months ago I saw a quote for €3,100 that was passed by the welfare officer and not a penny spent on the items on the quote! I know of about 20 instances quotes for different amounts and I'm taking about a small area in Ireland.

I did ring the social welfare officer and he told me he's totally against the new system but somebody high up decided its their right to get it paid directly into their account and even though he knows it's being spent in the pubs and on Flatscreen TV's and he can't do anything about it.

And the killing thing is I hear people complaining plenty about where's the money for the health board gone I think the above answers a lot.

I thought that was urban myth, is the 300 euro allowance for a Pushchair true also ?

Johnny Bitte · 08-10-2008 10:35PM

This sends one clear message to people renting everywhere.

Stop paying your rent now and get away with it, even rewarded for it.

The woman I rent off is extremely nice and I always pay her first of every month.

So if I decided to stop paying her she has no choice but to loose my rent for months until the court says I have to leave??

Bollox

She Devil · 09-10-2008 12:56AM

I can't believe this, the irish courts are a joke. Seriously isnt it common sense that she should have to pay the money back, what about the landlord in arrears with the bank for their mortgage?
Presently i am out of work, i have yet to sign on for my credits that is about 180€ and its all for my rent ive about 20€ left over for myself a week. I wouldnt even consider not paying my rent.

redout · 09-10-2008 01:33AM

The powers that be in this country are all gob****es. I dont care if she was an immigrant or from Blackrock. To award someone for illegally occupying your property is a step to far. What sort of precedent does this set ?

pickarooney · 09-10-2008 09:11AM

redout wrote: »

The powers that be in this country are all gob****es. I dont care if she was an immigrant or from Blackrock. To award someone for illegally occupying your property is a step to far. What sort of precedent does this set ?

The precedent has been set from day one. Follow correct procedures when evicting a client to avoid litigation against you.

AARRRGH · 09-10-2008 10:01AM

Namesco wrote: »

That's only the tip of the iceberg.

When a person gets a new council house there given allowances of over €3,000 to cover furniture, flooring and white goods.
Before what happened was the council tenant would have to get 2 or 3 quotes and bring them to the social welfare officer and he/she would pass an amount and the tenant would pay a nominal sum about €10. The shop would deliver the goods have the tenant sign for the goods and then the invoice would be sent to the welfare officer who would arrange payment.

But now as before, the tenant gets quotes and brings them to the social welfare officer who then passes the amount but now the money is transferred directly into the tenants account!! (This 100% true)

Quotes given for €1,100 for furniture turns into €250 for the shop and the tenant keeps the rest. 2 months ago I saw a quote for €3,100 that was passed by the welfare officer and not a penny spent on the items on the quote! I know of about 20 instances quotes for different amounts and I'm taking about a small area in Ireland.

I did ring the social welfare officer and he told me he's totally against the new system but somebody high up decided its their right to get it paid directly into their account and even though he knows it's being spent in the pubs and on Flatscreen TV's and he can't do anything about it.

And the killing thing is I hear people complaining plenty about where's the money for the health board gone I think the above answers a lot.

Jesus.

I wish I was a poor scumbag. I would have a much better life than I do now!

EKRIUQ · 09-10-2008 10:06AM

Scawgeen wrote: »

I thought that was urban myth, is the 300 euro allowance for a Pushchair true also ?

Don't know about the push chair, but if they complain to have a bad back they can get an allowance towards and Orthopaedic armchair or a better mattress normally a couple of hundred. You see they have a disability:rolleyes:

emmagean · 09-10-2008 10:57AM

The_Goose135 wrote: »

So if I decided to stop paying her she has no choice but to loose my rent for months until the court says I have to leave??

Thats basically it in a nutshell. If you decide to stop paying rent, then depending on how long you've been renting for you could live there rent free for 6 months or more. Then the landlord has to wait for up to two years to get the PRTB to act (although the PRTB is weighted heavily in favour of tenants) and if the landlord could be bothered or has the money, the option is there to take the legal route to get back the money they are owed. Even then though there is no guarantee of getting it back. The case being discussed in this topic proving that.

But then according to a previous poster if you did stop paying the rent for 6 months and you were evicted, the landlord/lady would be a hard-ass for throwing poor unfortunate you out onto the street.

One thing to note, many posters are saying that this is a business for landlords. I'm sure there are a few that do this as their business, but to be a landlord you dont have to register as a business or sole trader with the CRO, so in the legal sense, renting out properties does not have to be carried out as a business.

dodgyme · 09-10-2008 11:13AM

Namesco wrote: »

Don't know about the push chair,:

If you are having a child on public you are entitled to claim for a buggie up to a certain amount. its called 'entitlement', great word that. :rolleyes:

ShooterSF · 09-10-2008 11:18AM

I dont own a house but can't understand all this anti landlord bollox. People saw potential to make a profit in what last time I checked was a capitalist nation. So what if it was an "easy" way of making money.
If it is, and it is, a business why should she let the tennant stay six months unpaid. Why cant landlords have terms in the lease that says if you dont pay they have the right to evict you. Why should they have to go to the courts? As mentioned by others if they were running any other business the service would be cut off. And as Darragh (sorry to single ya out but you seem to be the must opposed to landlords) says even his mate took the clutch and such back before handing over the car to someone who wasnt going to pay.
Whats the difference between that and changing the locks on your house?

Just as a comparison:

Your mate buys parts at his expense. Landlord buys house at her expense.
You mate bills customer for time and parts. Landlord charges customer for time in house.
Your mate realises he's not getting paid so keeps parts and undoes work. Landlord realises shes not getting paid, cuts off access to house.
Mate needs to go to court to get money for money owed. Landlord must do same.

What's the difference?

Also why the hell are the hse paying peoples rents, dont the get jobseekers benefit from the social?

mountainyman · 09-10-2008 12:21PM

smccarrick wrote: »

To even get a hearing at the PRTB can take 6-8 months, and even if it rules in your favour (as a landlord) it can still take another year and potentially the county sheriff to regain possession of *your* property.
...

The rat animals who support landlords have to be seen to be believed.

Landlords should be executed.

mountainyman · 09-10-2008 12:23PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

I dont own a house but can't understand all this anti landlord bollox. People saw potential to make a profit in what last time I checked was a capitalist nation. So what if it was an "easy" way of making money.
If it is, and it is, a business why should she let the tennant stay six months unpaid. Why cant landlords have terms in the lease that says if you dont pay they have the right to evict you. Why should they have to go to the courts? As mentioned by others if they were running any other business the service would be cut off. And as Darragh (sorry to single ya out but you seem to be the must opposed to landlords) says even his mate took the clutch and such back before handing over the car to someone who wasnt going to pay.
Whats the difference between that and changing the locks on your house?

Just as a comparison:

Your mate buys parts at his expense. Landlord buys house at her expense.
You mate bills customer for time and parts. Landlord charges customer for time in house.
Your mate realises he's not getting paid so keeps parts and undoes work. Landlord realises shes not getting paid, cuts off access to house.
Mate needs to go to court to get money for money owed. Landlord must do same.

What's the difference?

Also why the hell are the hse paying peoples rents, dont the get jobseekers benefit from the social?

Your brother provides a service.
The landlady is a speculator who stops honest people from affording houses.

Kill all landlords.

mountainyman · 09-10-2008 12:24PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

Jesus.

I wish I was a poor scumbag. I would have a much better life than I do now!

I wish you were a POOR sciumbag too.

AARRRGH · 09-10-2008 12:25PM

mountainyman wrote: »

I wish you were a POOR sciumbag too.

Thanks.

Dinter · 09-10-2008 12:38PM

Whatever about waiving the outstanding rent because of the trouble she was put to actually giving her compensation is a sickener. Fuking bum.

Scootay · 09-10-2008 12:41PM

mountainyman wrote: »

Kill all landlords.

Charming. Due to a death in the family I ended up with part ownership of a property. The property market had dried up so the property could not be sold. It is now rented out making me a landlord. Once the market picks up again it will hopefully be sold.

This could happen to anybody but in your world it's grounds for killing me? Really?

Dinter · 09-10-2008 12:53PM

Scootay wrote: »

This could happen to anybody but in your world it's grounds for killing me? Really?

Tbh envy, jealousy, resentment and begrudgery have long been motives for some people to kill others.

blackbox · 09-10-2008 12:57PM

Orange69 wrote: »

Can someone explain why the fack the HSE are paying her rent?

Nobody has answered this question.

HSE = Health Service Executive - aren't they supposed to look after hospitals, medical centres etc?

Surely the Dept. of Social Welfare should be (if warranted) paying for rents. At least then there wouldn't be a risk of duplication of payments - could she be getting a rent allowance from SW as well as the HSE paying her rent?

Dinter · 09-10-2008 01:07PM

blackbox wrote: »

Nobody has answered this question.

HSE = Health Service Executive - aren't they supposed to look after hospitals, medical centres etc?

Surely the Dept. of Social Welfare should be (if warranted) paying for rents. At least then there wouldn't be a risk of duplication of payments - could she be getting a rent allowance from SW as well as the HSE paying her rent?

The social welfare only gives you cash to support yourself or whatever. Rent allowance is only from the HSE.

EKRIUQ · 09-10-2008 01:21PM

dodgyme wrote: »

If you are having a child on public you are entitled to claim for a buggie up to a certain amount. its called 'entitlement', great word that. :rolleyes:

Exactly "Entitlement" Its a great word and everything I posted is all about what these people are entitled to, there not breaking any law it's the goverment have deemed their entitlements (eventhough their boyfriend who is living with them are working full time)

Here's link to the guidelines to entitlements don't forget to multiply the curtains by the window numbers, and the flooring and the beds by number of rooms and see what figure you come up with

I know the figures may seem low but it's more than I got when I moved into my house:mad:

mountainyman · 09-10-2008 02:14PM

Scootay wrote: »

Charming. Due to a death in the family I ended up with part ownership of a property. The property market had dried up so the property could not be sold. It is now rented out making me a landlord. Once the market picks up again it will hopefully be sold.

This could happen to anybody but in your world it's grounds for killing me? Really?

Let the person who is living there stay for free otherwise yes you are a parasitic landlord scumbag.

mountainyman · 09-10-2008 02:15PM

Dinter wrote: »

Tbh envy, jealousy, resentment and begrudgery have long been motives for some people to kill others.

And pathetic crawling and cringing the mud have long been reasons for subhuman waste to lick the bums of their oppressors.

Woman doesn't bother paying her rent... wins a court settlement

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