The Institute of Education

leesmom · 14-09-2008 6:04pm

when they check through his timetable he might find they change that lunch to study

Stev_o · 19-09-2008 10:46pm

gaybitch wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't having a dig at all. I was making the same point you are - some people have this idea that the tute is a magic solution to guarantee high points, and I was just saying I know of people who got 100s and 200s after going there. There's nothing wrong with them getting that, absolutely nothing, but it's just some people have the idea that fee-paying schools don't have students that achieve those points - and they do, just like public schools do.

Well im there currently as of my own choice but the generally repsonse iv got from alot and i mean alot of people going there is that they were FORCED to go and are just going along with it. It's a completely different matter if you said to your parents here i want to go here for the benefit of me.

It is made EXTREMELY clear by alot of the teachers (in a very humerous way aswell) that just sitting in there wont suddenly cause you to have epiphany and you will be the master of all subjects. It is work incredibly hard work most teachers have already told us that they are giving tests next week

Personally i like it, for the most part so far its been great bar 7.30 commuter starts for me but hey its a complete shock going into a class and there being total silence and totally concentration on the task at hand you just dont get that at any other schools (went to a local school for 4 years). The environment in classes there is what you SHOULD be entitlted in any school why in fu*king gods name you have to pay 7 grand or so to get that environment is a god damn disgrace.

Eternaldream · 20-09-2008 11:41am

It's a completely different matter if you said to your parents here i want to go here for the benefit of me.

It is made EXTREMELY clear by alot of the teachers (in a very humerous way aswell) that just sitting in there wont suddenly cause you to have epiphany and you will be the master of all subjects. It is work incredibly hard work most teachers have already told us that they are giving tests next week

its a complete shock going into a class and there being total silence and totally concentration on the task at hand you just dont get that at any other schools

That is EXACTLY why i want to go to the institute... i suggested it to my mum, not the other way around. i've been to so many schools moving round dublin that i really know that you CANT get that environment in public schools... especially in mixed schools.. (sorry to those boys out there that have a mature attitude to learning) but from my experience, there's not a hope in hell for you to learn if there are a bunch of lads intent on wreaking havok in class...

The institute provides a mature attitude to learning (based on research and what i have learnt here, i havent actually gone there) and thats why i think its a good school. i also think that its a disgrace to have to pay an immense amount of money to recieve a distraction-free environment in school.

PurpleFistMixer · 20-09-2008 4:55pm

Maybe you just got unlucky in public schools, but you don't have to pay thousands of euro to get a good learning environment. In my school, alright, I'll admit we had quite a few trouble-makers, but very few of them were in my classes (because I did all HL), so there was a good, positive atmosphere in there. Okay, the school didn't have amazing facilities (some of our physics equipment was seriously out of date), but as far as learning goes, if you put in the work, you could definitely succeed.

So no, you don't HAVE to pay money to get a good education.

(Also, working in an environment where there are distractions is a good skill to learn.)

daffy-duck · 20-09-2008 8:57pm

i go to mount anville and to be honest the teachers there are a bit ****. but every year mount anville gets brilliant results because we can afford to go to the institute and get any grinds we desire. so i think its a bit unfair of you's who dont go or cant afford private schools to be giving out about them because who wouldnt want to go to an elite south dublin fee paying school?? its not like by just going to the grinds that you get brilliant results its if you work hard and use them. so all of you public school paupers go away and leave the institute and private schools alone:P

Stev_o · 20-09-2008 9:09pm

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

(Also, working in an environment where there are distractions is a good skill to learn.)[/QUOTE]

Hold up a minute (not a personal attack here) but iv had my share fair of study talks from alot of different speakers in my old school and they all said that you should study in a place where there is no distraction if thats what they say for studying the my god it has to be the same for learning.

How the hell are you supposed to learn when you have aload of people either whispering or being a general nuisance.

You will find it extremely hard to learn in that environment and you ll become frustrated the fact that everyone else isnt taking class seriously why should put the in all the effort in to be the only not talking.

Im not advertising the institute as i said i think its a f*cking shame that you have to pay 7 or so grand to get the environment thats in there and the fact that you have a right to a education you should have a right to the proper environment in which to learn.

In my old school teachers wasted VALUABLE minutes of YOUR LEARNING TIME to tell x and y to shut up or to give c and d a note in their journal for not doing the homework. Those are valuable minutes your time being wasted by some idiot not giving a f*ck. In the insitute you go into a class at 9.30 and the class begins at 9.30 there is no stops and pauses no instances of teachers having to drag people out and bring them to principle or whatever is the case.

Piste · 20-09-2008 9:13pm

I don't think she meant you should have to put up with people talking around you 24/7,but if all your classes and study are in total silence you might find it a shock if in work you had a task to do and it was in a distracting environment.

I've really noticed this year in most of my classes everyone's quiet and listens, I think it's finally sunk into people that we have an exam to do.

TheJeanGenie · 20-09-2008 9:32pm

It's true about learning to work in distracting environments, where I went to school silence was a rare thing, lol. But one important thing to remember about the whole LC is that it does not prepare you for much of anything that will happen in college. They don't hand you out notes to learn or even indicate what you have to know.

Though I never went to the Institute I've talked to alot of teachers who say they just give students what will be included in the LC on notes and students don't get the chance to broaden their actual knowledge on the subject. And I know friends who went to the Institute who are finding it difficult to adjust to entirely independent study. It's a catch 22 whether secondary level education should prepare you for third level or just get you there?

PurpleFistMixer · 21-09-2008 5:49pm

Stev_o wrote: »

How the hell are you supposed to learn when you have aload of people either whispering or being a general nuisance.

You will find it extremely hard to learn in that environment and you ll become frustrated the fact that everyone else isnt taking class seriously why should put the in all the effort in to be the only not talking.

How? Here is a skill: ignoring distractions. Concentrating on your work.
I know that time wasted by teachers telling a class to shut up is extremely frustrating, but tbh, people whispering? Small background noises? Ignore it.

Also, btw, the Leaving Cert exams themselves are not perfectly silent. People are constantly rustling pages and messing around with those idiotic plastic bags they for some reason bring their pens in, or fidgeting with their feet on the floor. The invigilator messes with their tea, they walk around, people go to the toilet, etc. Being able to zone out background distractions is quite handy.

daffy-duck wrote: »

i go to mount anville and to be honest the teachers there are a bit ****. but every year mount anville gets brilliant results because we can afford to go to the institute and get any grinds we desire. so i think its a bit unfair of you's who dont go or cant afford private schools to be giving out about them because who wouldnt want to go to an elite south dublin fee paying school?? its not like by just going to the grinds that you get brilliant results its if you work hard and use them. so all of you public school paupers go away and leave the institute and private schools alone:P

Thank you for illustrating the attitude that would put me off ever going to a private school. Get a grip, not everyone wants to go to an "elite" south dublin fee paying school.

Fad · 21-09-2008 6:11pm

daffy-duck wrote: »

Who wouldnt want to go to an elite south dublin fee paying school??

Had i have known what my year would have been like come 2nd year, you couldn't have paid me to go to a private school. I didn't, and I stuck with it and it was hell but my parents worked really hard to get me into it, and I didn't really want to throw it back into their faces. In the end it was kinda worth it, TY showed me that people do mature, even if its being slightly less of a cúnt then usual, or not coming off as arrogant as they used to.

[Dunno where i was going with that, in short, while I honestly like my school now, i would have much prefered to go to a non fee paying school and have a pleasant first few years, than go to the so called ''Elite'' school that is full of wánkers etc]

eoin2nc · 21-09-2008 11:06pm

daffy-duck wrote: »

i go to mount anville and to be honest the teachers there are a bit ****. but every year mount anville gets brilliant results because we can afford to go to the institute and get any grinds we desire. so i think its a bit unfair of you's who dont go or cant afford private schools to be giving out about them because who wouldnt want to go to an elite south dublin fee paying school?? its not like by just going to the grinds that you get brilliant results its if you work hard and use them. so all of you public school paupers go away and leave the institute and private schools alone:P

I hope this is a joke, and not the opinion of mount anything, sorry anville,student:pac:

07-10-2008 10:02pm

daffy-duck wrote: »

i go to mount anville and to be honest the teachers there are a bit ****. but every year mount anville gets brilliant results because we can afford to go to the institute and get any grinds we desire. so i think its a bit unfair of you's who dont go or cant afford private schools to be giving out about them because who wouldnt want to go to an elite south dublin fee paying school?? its not like by just going to the grinds that you get brilliant results its if you work hard and use them. so all of you public school paupers go away and leave the institute and private schools alone:P

That's exactly the attitude that put me off going to the majority of fee-paying schools.

I'm repeating my leaving cert now, and had the oppertunity of repeating it in Yeats in Galway, but instead returned to my old public school. I've passed by said grind school too many times, and seen too many girls with luminous peroxide hair and faces that would make Umpa Lumpas look pale; and the only words in their vocabularies seem to be "loyke" and "omg". Then all the guys with their rugby jerseys and obsessions with the afore mentioned peroxide Umpa-lumpian girls. The thoughts of it make me feel nauseated!

Oh and sorry for the broad stereotypicalizations. But that's just my impression of many (not all) of the pretentious, ostentatious and obnoxious fools who attend most grind schools.

Rant over! (Sorry if this had little to do with the Topic on hand, but I couldn't resist!)

gaybitch · 07-10-2008 10:30pm

daffy-duck, I feel a bit sorry for you.

It's all well and good being in your "elite south dublin fee paying school" right now, in a small bubble (and incidentally I'm not sure which part you class as most important or praiseworthy - the postcode, the fees, or the exclusivity) but unfortunately for you once you leave that bubble you'll quickly realise that most other people out there hate your sort of elitist mentality.

College might be a lonely experience for you, my dear, if you pride yourself so very much on where you happened to be sent to seconday school.

Piste · 07-10-2008 10:43pm

Not if she goes to UCD >_>

peanuthead · 07-10-2008 10:57pm

nycman wrote: »

€13,000:eek::eek: for 2 years:eek::eek::eek:

Hows that for the "Rip-Off_Republic.

Jeezum Crow:eek:

leesmom wrote: »

could have got me some nice clothes with that money:Dthe money would have been more useful in that way

You could spend the money on a really good grind for the year. You'd get the results and the clothes!!!!

Fad · 07-10-2008 11:06pm

Piste wrote: »

Not if she goes to UCD >_>

Here now, TCD too, and dont forget the private colleges

07-10-2008 11:09pm

Fad wrote: »

Here now, TCD too, and dont forget the private colleges

Oh dear god don't tell me many her sort go to TCD? I thought it was only UCD that was burdened with the peroxide umpa-lumpians as I like to call them!

Fad · 07-10-2008 11:15pm

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Oh dear god don't tell me many her sort go to TCD? I thought it was only UCD that was burdened with the peroxide umpa-lumpians as I like to call them!

I was joking to an extent, but you'll only really encounter those if you do ORTs and even then its only the really useless subjects they do, like Canadian Studies (I dont think this even exists any more

) and Philosophy.

You'll get G4s in NUIG and C4s in UCCs so dont think thid breed is still exclusive to dublin.

07-10-2008 11:23pm

Fad wrote: »

I was joking to an extent, but you'll only really encounter those if you do ORTs and even then its only the really useless subjects they do, like Canadian Studies (I dont think this even exists any more ) and Philosophy.

You'll get G4s in NUIG and C4s in UCCs so dont think thid breed is still exclusive to dublin.

Ah well that's ok then, you scared me slightly there! I hopefully won't have to spend any time in their presence so.

Oh yah I know sure, I've met many a G4, as I'm from Galway myself (not the city but close). It's amazing how they can pick up similar accents to D4's without ever spending time around them. It's funny, there was a guy in my school before who watched so many American sitcoms that he developed a FULL new port beach type accent (and it wasn't faked), and I mean it was identical to the real thing, everyone thought he was American.

Ok better stop there, getting a bit off point here!

degausserxo · 07-10-2008 11:32pm

€13,000 for two years? I'm pretty sure you could bribe someone from the CAO to let you into your damn course for €13,000! What a waste of money!

Fad · 07-10-2008 11:33pm

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Ah well that's ok then, you scared me slightly there! I hopefully won't have to spend any time in their presence so.

Oh yah I know sure, I've met many a G4, as I'm from Galway myself (not the city but close). It's amazing how they can pick up similar accents to D4's without ever spending time around them. It's funny, there was a guy in my school before who watched so many American sitcoms that he developed a FULL new port beach type accent (and it wasn't faked), and I mean it was identical to the real thing, everyone thought he was American.

Ok better stop there, getting a bit off point here!

To be honest this thread has little to do with the IOE anymore

It's a fee paying school.
It's expensive.
It gets results IF you work for them.
Good working enviornment, but not a school enviornment.

Et cetera.......

Lockage before some else goes on about the cost? *

*(on the mention of cost, you dont have to buy uniform, books and other things that do add up a bit, dont bother replying to this PLEASE)

PurpleFistMixer · 07-10-2008 11:34pm

You can get "D4 types" in non-arts subjects. Okay, there don't seem to be any in my course (Theoretical Physics), but I've seen some fairly orange girls in Engineering, so there's not really anywhere to hide (from rampant generalisations and judging strangers... and D4s).

EDIT: Well, talking about the cost is technically on topic. If anyone has anything new to contribute on the topic it could be worthwhile to leave it open. It is a bit of a subject of debate, even if it is one that's sort of been flogged to death...

07-10-2008 11:36pm

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

You can get "D4 types" in non-arts subjects. Okay, there don't seem to be any in my course (Theoretical Physics), but I've seen some fairly orange girls in Engineering, so there's not really anywhere to hide (from rampant generalisations and judging strangers... and D4s).

Well if theres nowhere to hide where all screwed! Thats funny, Theoretical Physics is what I'm planning on doing there next year, doubt there'd be too many in that course I hope!

Fad · 07-10-2008 11:39pm

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

You can get "D4 types" in non-arts subjects. Okay, there don't seem to be any in my course (Theoretical Physics), but I've seen some fairly orange girls in Engineering, so there's not really anywhere to hide (from rampant generalisations and judging strangers... and D4s).

EDIT: Well, talking about the cost is technically on topic. If anyone has anything new to contribute on the topic it could be worthwhile to leave it open. It is a bit of a subject of debate, even if it is one that's sort of been flogged to death...

In fairness some of the nicest people ive ever met at serious D4 types (not however in my school, sadly) so im not whinging about them, more commenting on their widespeadness.

Last 2/3 threads (if you include this one) have just been sweeping generalisations about private schools in general

and people saying its way to expensive........why did i say anything

PurpleFistMixer · 07-10-2008 11:49pm

What on the internet is not sweeping generalisations? : p (I might add that there have been a similarly high number of generalisations about non-private schools, so at least it's been... if not fair, then equal.)

This thread had quietened down and was drifting down into the dusty recesses of the board, but then it was dragged up again, so I might just step gingerly away here and see if it starts drifting down again. If people want to continue discussing the merits/disadvantages of the Institute, feel free.

seanasdf · 02-12-2008 6:49pm

I'm starting 5th form in the Institute after Christmas if I get accepted.I heard it was good once you put the work in.To be honest if you put the work in, no matter where you go to school [maybe with a few exceptions lik my skool

] you will get the points you need for college.
I'm in 6th year atm but going back into 5th because I didn't really work last year but I'm so much more mature now and dedicated to my studies so its defo not going to be a waste of my parents money sending me to the Institute :rolleyes:

postalservice · 02-12-2008 6:54pm

No!
You'll end up like those guys from J1 Summer:eek::eek::eek:

Galoots:p

seanasdf · 02-12-2008 6:55pm

Haha I know the guy Luke from J1 summer, He is Gay in real life by the way lol j/k

Fad · 02-12-2008 7:44pm

Please do not restart the debate, this thread was kindly allowed to die, its back but lets not keep it this way!

PurpleFistMixer · 02-12-2008 8:23pm

Wildly unrelated post there seanasdf, well done. I heard your one from down the street's straight, but don't tell anyone right? Yeah.

If anyone has anything new to add to this particular debate I'm open to hearing it, otherwise I think most people are sick of this topic, so please can we let it die a natural death or it'll have to be put down forcefully.

leesmom · 03-12-2008 6:47pm

i was in their year in 5th and 6th in the tute and i have to say no one annoyed me more than them,bunch of idiots!!!! however not evryone in there is like that:rolleyes:

Fad · 03-12-2008 6:53pm

leesmom wrote: »

i was in their year in 5th and 6th in the tute and i have to say no one annoyed me more than them,bunch of idiots!!!! however not evryone in there is like that:rolleyes:

FFS, let this thread die!

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