Irish Army missing Styers??

Poccington · 05-10-2008 03:54PM

The Steyr on issue to troops in both the PDF and RDF are all right handed. Although Steyr's can be adapted for left handed use, it's not something the DF does.

All the left handed people I trained with and serve with can use the Steyr quite efficiently.

Tribunius · 05-10-2008 08:51PM

The tavor is alright.

Pros:
Its well balanced and well made.

Its just as accurate as any other service rifle bar the sig products.

Its strips down easily and is easy to clean.

There is a short piece of rail on the right hand side of the hand guard that you can put a torch or laser on.
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You can easily attach a harris bipod to the handguard

The standard issue sling is good. It spreads the weight nicely.

The mags that come with it are well built steel ones too not those crappy aluminium ones that come with one of the m16/M4 family.

Cons:
The trigger is very heavy even for a bullpup. Though that could have been down to the fact that the one I got my hands on was brand spanking new.

If you are used to the steyr the mag release on it is a pain. Its a catch in front of the mag that you squeeze instead of one behind it that you press. In fact the bolt release is in that spot. It just takes some getting used to but still annoying at first.

The standard mepro sight is pretty crappy. Its a light gathering red dot sight but the dot is too big so after about 100m its useless. Also it washes out if your firing from a shaded area to a bright sun lit area. Thats down to the whole light gathering aspect of it. Also paralax is an issue. The Mars sight that the IDF use with it is supposed to be far better but I haven't seen one yet so I can't comment. However the weapon was designed with it in mind.

A rail (picatinny or other wise) for sight attachment is not standard.

If I had a choice I would go with a steyr though it just fits me better. The standard sight is better too though the front sling mount is worse.

Yes both the tavor and steyr can be changed to left hand ejecting. You have to change the bolt and the ejection opening. However on the DF issue steyrs the opening is not there on the left. You can make out the outline but you would have to cut it open on the tavor you just take a cover off. Oh and I should mention converting either of these is considered an armourer level task.

But as has been mentioned already you can train a left handed shooter to fire with their right easily enough.

RFHazard · 05-10-2008 09:00PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Who would want to knock off tatty,used Irish army issue AUGs???????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:

most Irish Army blokes...Well,mostly those that I have talked to down in the Southern Command,who have been there since the FAL days.All rate the FAL as the better rifle.

I presume you haven't used the Steyr yourself? Your sources in the Southern Brigade have been in at least twenty years (if they are PDF). Some old sweats will always prefer what they were trained on initially and never move on from the "good old days".

Walts ****eing on about which is "like the best rifle in the world ever like" is adolescent, and has nothing to do with a thread about a red top rag pissing on the DFs reputation for the sake of making hungover illiterates on a Sunday morning feel that there actual are dumber assholes than them out there.:mad:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-10-2008 10:14PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Dunno why anyone would be worried about anyone nicking the AUG in the 1st place.POS is how most Irish Army blokes describe it .True or no?
Not much good to me as I'm a leftie,and I hear the Irish issue are all right hookers?

I'm in long enough to have initially trained with the FN, I served with it oversea's too. Now that was a POS, although the Brits loved its stopping power in The Falkland Island conflict.

In our hands it was old and unreliable.

The Styer is a fine weapon, its accurate (the FN wasn't), its easy to handle & maintain/clean and has served us well from Africa to the Middle East and to East Timor in the far east.

Grizzly 45 · 06-10-2008 12:03AM

RFHazard wrote: »

I

presume you haven't used the Steyr yourself?

Nope ! Thats why I was asking and was under the impression it was a POS!

Your sources in the Southern Brigade have been in at least twenty years (if they are PDF). Some old sweats will always prefer what they were trained on initially and never move on from the "good old days".

Yup,and were not to happy with it either.

Walts ****eing on about which is "like the best rifle in the world ever like" is adolescent, and has nothing to do with a thread about a red top rag pissing on the DFs reputation for the sake of making hungover illiterates on a Sunday morning feel that there actual are dumber assholes than them out there.:mad:

Self inflicted injury if you cant hold your booze!Dont drink so much get a coffee and some anadin into you !Dont ASSume everyone who asks a question in a certain way is a Walt either.

Thrain · 06-10-2008 12:13AM

I was told by two separate people in the Rdf that a notice went around the armourys telling them that each steyr must be manually cocked and the breach checked to authenticate it. They are worried about them being replaced with these: http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=226 which break down like the real steel, and have unique serial numbers, not to mention looking and feeling like the real thing..

Poccington · 06-10-2008 12:28AM

Thrain wrote: »

I was told by two separate people in the Rdf that a notice went around the armourys telling them that each steyr must be manually cocked and the breach checked to authenticate it. They are worried about them being replaced with these: http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=226 which break down like the real steel, and have unique serial numbers, not to mention looking and feeling like the real thing..

I wouldn't be believing them too quickly.

It wasn't me! · 06-10-2008 12:40AM

So do any left-handed/left eye dominant Irish soldiers use it left-handed? I can't shoot right handed (I get muddled and confused) but am reasonably handy off my left, and it's what I train with.

IRISH RAIL · 06-10-2008 01:18AM

I cant believe that this thread has gotton to 3 pages seriously the whole story is a load of ****. its pure scaremongering from a newspaper thats still on the censors banned list, come on guys have we nothing else to talk about except pure bull**** ?

steyr fan · 06-10-2008 09:58PM

+1

Tribunius · 07-10-2008 12:08AM

It wasn't me! wrote: »

So do any left-handed/left eye dominant Irish soldiers use it left-handed? I can't shoot right handed (I get muddled and confused) but am reasonably handy off my left, and it's what I train with.

No there are no left handed steyrs in the Irish DF inventory. If you intend to join the DF you will have to learn to shoot from the right.

meathstevie · 07-10-2008 03:52AM

Mairt wrote: »

I'm in long enough to have initially trained with the FN, I served with it oversea's too. Now that was a POS, although the Brits loved its stopping power in The Falkland Island conflict.

In our hands it was old and unreliable.

The Styer is a fine weapon, its accurate (the FN wasn't), its easy to handle & maintain/clean and has served us well from Africa to the Middle East and to East Timor in the far east.

They must have seen some unreal amount of work or the Dept. of Defence was seriously mean on maintenance and repair budgets. I've had the pleasure of firing a nearly new FAL ( sporterised civvy semi-auto in 7.62 ) on a couple of occasion and I'd deem it to be accurate enough to use it as a deer hunting rifle any day.

Having said that I reckon that newspaper story is complete bull****. As far as I know the Irish military operates a personal issue system for all individual firearms ( pistols and rifles ) and an even slightly thorough inventory take would determine what soldier's rifle has gone missing without being reported and from there to jail would only be a matter of passing in front of the judge.

It wasn't me! · 07-10-2008 09:07AM

Tribunius wrote: »

No there are no left handed steyrs in the Irish DF inventory. If you intend to join the DF you will have to learn to shoot from the right.

One of its advantages is that it's easily adapted for left-handed shooters. If it's a personal issue, I don't see the problem in changing it over. Would be a complete pain in the arse if I were asked to change after half a decade of solid Olympic target shooting to do something completely alien when I can do pretty damn well off the left.

Morpheus · 07-10-2008 09:13AM

If youve ever handled the real AUG and the airsoft AUG, then you know this thread is taking the mickey, only the dumbest dumba$$ in the world would chance his arm at this.

For a start ive yet to see an airsoft Aug with a barrel grip that feels like the real thing.

Im sure anyone would easily notice the difference between the two if they were broken down infront of them.

In my unit at least and im sure this goes for the other RDF units around the country, safety and security with weapons is taken very seriously, each rifle is meticulously checked must be inspected before being stored back in a numbered position in the armoury.If a rifle is missing, they will know who signed it out and nobody moves until it is located.

Finally:
Read the posts, there are NO left hand Steyr Augs in the inventory, EVERYONE (yes even the south paws) learn to handle and shoot with the rounds ejecting from the right, it is a simple fact.

you can buy a left hand steyr in civvie land, but there are no conversion kits in the DF and (without going into any detail) you can be assured that there are situations we train in which take advantage of the fact that the round ejects to the right. All weapons handling is uniform across the forces and it will stay that way.

If you really really want to and nobody is looking, you can of course still fire it left handed, if you dont want to use your right eye again that is. (please dont attempt this at home, that was sarcasm)

It wasn't me! · 07-10-2008 09:26AM

There is no need to get rude. I wish the defence forces luck in conquering a pretty savage eye dominance of mine and half a decade of well ingrained habits and technique. They're going to have a tough time unless they want to give me an eyepatch to wear in the field.

iceage · 07-10-2008 09:31AM

Thanks Morpheus, I'm amazes this went on so long, I think also Irish Rail got it. That sunday paper, which in my opinion is a waste of a completely good tree came up with this rubbish and utter crap. Armoury proceedures would immediately have noticed anything as ridiculous as this tripe. And any member of the PDF/RDF could tell the differance in a second..

Rew · 07-10-2008 10:07AM

Poccington wrote: »

I wouldn't be believing them too quickly.

Why not? All DF units got a letter regarding this about 6 months ago, I would imagine its where the newspaper stories started.

Some clown sued the Army after injuing their eye while firing the FN left handed. You would want to be off your rocker to fire a Styer left handed and for the same reason the DF dont issue left handed rifles. If in the heat of the moment some picked up a leftie rifle could be nasty.

Morpheus · 07-10-2008 11:22AM

It wasn't me! wrote: »

There is no need to get rude. I wish the defence forces luck in conquering a pretty savage eye dominance of mine and half a decade of well ingrained habits and technique. They're going to have a tough time unless they want to give me an eyepatch to wear in the field.

I wasnt trying to be rude, i was pointing out that no matter how good a left handed shooter one is, that it had already been pointed out that the Steyr Aug on issue to irish soldiers was right handed only.

The army has made ZERO allowances for left handed shooters.

All soldiers are trained in the same way, to fire right handed, you will also be trained to fire all other weapons right handed, try placing a
SRAAW
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2004/sep/04sep04_nr/04sep04_fs.-imindefPars-0001-TextImage.imindefParstextimage.gif

or Javelin
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Javelin3.jpg

on your left shoulder and look into the sight

Luckily for you,you can still throw grenades with your left hand though

If you join though, you will come under the command structure and WILL fire right handed regardless of how excellent an olympic shooter you are with your left handedness.:pac:

It wasn't me! · 07-10-2008 02:02PM

I'm right handed. I'm left eye dominant. Very dominant.

This is going to be a very, very large pain in the hole.

iceage · 07-10-2008 04:13PM

You could close both eyes....;)

Grizzly 45 · 07-10-2008 06:06PM

Or complain about discrimination.Insofar that you are being forced to use equipment unsuited to your physical structure.
Under HSE laws:rolleyes: of all things.If there is a piece of equipment that is suited to left handed people[IE a leftie Steyr Aug]and it is not issued orconsiderd for issue.The Dept of Defence could find themselves with another bunch of claims. Supposing IWM in the confusion puts the Aug into his left shoulder and fires???
Point accepted that certain weapon systems only work from the right shoulder,but with optic sights and no "working parts "near ones face,unlike a bullpup rifle one can train to being right handed.Ditto for drill of arms.
OR you could volenteer to train on the GMPG totally and utterly.Although a weigty pig to carry,it is a straight stock weapon.So you wouldnt have that much problems with being a left hooker.Anyone advise on that one??

Poccington · 07-10-2008 07:44PM

I'm left eye dominant yet I can fire the Steyr quite well. It's called adapting.

Anybody that puts a Steyr into his left shoulder "in the confusion" and fires is an absolte lemon. I know lads who are left handed yet they've achieved Marksman scores on the Steyr. They learned how to use a right handed rifle competently, if someone can't do that then they're not gonna pass out so it won't be an issue.

As for training someone solely on a GPMG, not a good idea. It just lowers a soldiers skill level. I suppose they won't train on the SRAAW since it has to be fired from your right shoulder. I also suppose they won't be trained on the M203 either since it's attached to a right handed Steyr. Or.... They could just get used to handling the weapon the way it's supposed to be.

Poccington · 07-10-2008 07:57PM

Rew wrote: »

Why not? All DF units got a letter regarding this about 6 months ago, I would imagine its where the newspaper stories started.

Some clown sued the Army after injuing their eye while firing the FN left handed. You would want to be off your rocker to fire a Styer left handed and for the same reason the DF dont issue left handed rifles. If in the heat of the moment some picked up a leftie rifle could be nasty.

Oh no don't get me wrong, I know there was an instruction sent around. I was saying not to be believing the part of how each weapon had to be cocked and the breach checked. Also the part that Airsoft Steyr's when stripped are the exact same as the Steyr's sitting in our armouries.

It's bull****.

dahamster · 07-10-2008 08:21PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Or complain about discrimination.Insofar that you are being forced to use equipment unsuited to your physical structure.
Under HSE laws:rolleyes: of all things.If there is a piece of equipment that is suited to left handed people[IE a leftie Steyr Aug]and it is not issued orconsiderd for issue.The Dept of Defence could find themselves with another bunch of claims. QUOTE]

The DF are exempt from certain H&S regulations

iceage · 07-10-2008 10:45PM

Guys, I think we all agree that this is a load of boll*cks, yes?... I started the thread because I have a genuine belief that its not true..(the possible replacement of RS Steyr's with toy ones!) ludicrous.

Read my original post. Why your all getting exciteded over can a leftie put rounds down with a supposed right handed weapon is a bit beyond me. its all in the training yes. You all agree on that. I've never had the chance to have a go with the likes of the Steyr, in my day we did rather ok with the SLR, the equivilant of your FAL or "FN" except we had only Semi, you had full auto. Oh and by the way, I am left handed, not that it matters, I was fairly dead on right handed! when given the time of course.

minidazzler · 07-10-2008 11:05PM

iceage wrote: »

Guys, I think we all agree that this is a load of boll*cks, yes?... I started the thread because I have a genuine belief that its not true..(the possible replacement of RS Steyr's with toy ones!) ludicrous.

Read my original post. Why your all getting exciteded over can a leftie put rounds down with a supposed right handed weapon is a bit beyond me. its all in the training yes. You all agree on that. I've never had the chance to have a go with the likes of the Steyr, in my day we did rather ok with the SLR, the equivilant of your FAL or "FN" except we had only Semi, you had full auto. Oh and by the way, I am left handed, not that it matters, I was fairly dead on right handed! when given the time of course.

*cough*Matchstick*cough*

but thats beside the point, Lefties are generally OK with the steyr you just have to get used to it!!!

Airsoft steyrs do not strip down the same, it is entirely just how it looks and weights!!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 07-10-2008 11:10PM

Poccington wrote: »

I wouldn't be believing them too quickly.

Here we go again, you really do have something against the RDF. What is it? Honest...

I guess the boys in the armory just need to be extra vigilant. It can happen, and if it does, the DF will need to revise some areas.

Poccington · 07-10-2008 11:30PM

Zuri Early Test wrote: »

Here we go again, you really do have something against the RDF. What is it? Honest...

I guess the boys in the armory just need to be extra vigilant. It can happen, and if it does, the DF will need to revise some areas.

See Post #54

iceage · 07-10-2008 11:45PM

minidazzler wrote: »

*cough*Matchstick*cough*

but thats beside the point, Lefties are generally OK with the steyr you just have to get used to it!!!

Airsoft steyrs do not strip down the same, it is entirely just how it looks and weights!!

I never mentioned a form of combustion to ignite my rollie!!;)

Zuri Early Test wrote: »

Here we go again, you really do have something against the RDF. What is it? Honest.

I guess the boys in the armory just need to be extra vigilant. It can happen, and if it does, the DF will need to revise some areas.

You know the answer to this one..He is, and you ain't. And the rest of us understand.

Poccington wrote: »

See Post #54

As for you....:p the RDF got all the new kit first, is that true?;)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 07-10-2008 11:47PM

Try be a little more percise to avoid that kinda thing. Anyways...

Irish Army missing Styers??

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