N.Irl rape survey - on news today

all the stars · 30-09-2008 09:01AM #1

Findings of North rape survey 'extremely disturbing'

Almost half of Northern Ireland students believe women who flirt have themselves to blame if they end up getting raped, a survey published today found.
Rape victims who flirted with their attacker are partially or totally responsible for what happened to them, according to 46 per cent of the young people interviewed for the Amnesty International research.
Nearly a third (30 per cent) of those polled said women who wear revealing clothing are also effectively inviting rapists to target them.
The statistics are significantly higher than the findings of a United Kingdom-wide poll of adults in 2005 which found 34 per cent of people felt women who flirt were to blame with 26 per cent of those asked claiming sexy clothes were a factor.
Amnesty said this was evidence of a worrying female "blame culture" in the region.
The study also found that domestic violence against female students is apparently widespread in Northern Ireland, with 40 per cent of students saying they know one who had been assaulted by her boyfriend or partner.
One in 10 local students considers violence acceptable against a girlfriend who nags, flirts with other men or refuses to have sex.
Amnesty International Northern Ireland programme director Patrick Corrigan said: “This survey shows that there are some extremely disturbing attitudes swirling around our campuses.
“It’s shocking that so many students lay the blame for being raped or assaulted at the feet of women themselves. If we are going to break a cycle of violence against women in Northern Ireland, we need to start by challenging attitudes amongst students and the population at large."
The poll - Violence against women: the perspective of students in Northern Ireland - surveyed the attitudes and experiences of over 700 students across University of Ulster campuses.

em....
"One in 10 local students considers violence acceptable against a girlfriend who nags, flirts with other men or refuses to have sex." :eek:

Time to start staying home ladies... seems even looking around you is now dangerous!

I for one would like to invite YORE MA (pl) for tea and bickies while we discuss this...

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-09-2008 09:07AM

all the stars wrote: »

Almost half of Northern Ireland students believe women who flirt have themselves to blame if they end up getting raped, a survey published today found.

Idiots. Another reason never to go up there.

BTW, in yore ma's case, it's not rape.

Pighead · 30-09-2008 09:16AM

Pigheads always getting touched up by ladies.

Back in the 90's when Pighead was a regular bingo attendee, this old lady would pinch his arse each and every week without fail whenever he stood up to shout BINGO! After several months of this arse abuse something inside finally snapped. Just as the old perv was about to initiate the pinching in the arsial region, Pighead grabbed her wrinkly hand and shouted out to the packed bingo hall.

"Has anyone lost a hand? Have just found this one on my bum. Does it belong to anyone?"

Her weathered wrinkled face turned a reddish purple and then the old boiler shuffled off out the door never to be seen again. Pighead 1 Granny Pervypants 0.

Tawny · 30-09-2008 09:30AM

Crystal Scary Point wrote: »

Idiots. Another reason never to go up there.

Is this going to turn out to be another slag off Northerners session?

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-09-2008 09:42AM

Pighead wrote: »

Pigheads always getting touched up by ladies.

*Derisive snort*

MIN2511 · 30-09-2008 09:50AM

Saw that this morning, i don't agree with it.

It's interesting that it says that women who flirt with men are to blame for being raped...

How does flirting = rape????

Bendihorse · 30-09-2008 09:59AM

I cant say i agree with it on that level, women should be allowed to flirt within reason, and wear revealing clothes without a male presuming shes 'his' or game for sex. It is NEVER ok for a man to rape a woman under any circumstances - However, I do think that every woman has a responsibility for looking after themselves and using good judgement. They should not be absolved of responsibility as if they were a child and didn't know any better.

I find it hard to feel sorry for a woman who got herself into a bad situation out of bad judgment and lack of responsibility for her personal safety. Girls take drink induced chances and get into trouble.

Just to reiterate, rape is wrong no matter what the circumstances. My issue is with the females that allow themselves to be put in a situation where they could easily be raped or attacked. (i realise this is not every case, sometimes women are preyed upon and attacked etc, im referring to the girls that get plastered drunk and walk home alone, get into bed with a stranger etc) they are inviting the possibility of getting raped to their doorstep.

Blowfish · 30-09-2008 10:02AM

It depends completely on how the questions were worded and how they came to the conclusion.

If for example the question was "Do you think women who wear provocative clothing are more at risk of sexual assault/rape than those who don't", the resulting percentages don't suprise me. Given the tabloid nature of the article, it wouldn't suprise me if they were just jumping to conclusions from there.

Pighead · 30-09-2008 10:02AM

Crystal Scary Point wrote: »

*Derisive snort*

*Divisive retort*
What are ya snorting at ya spanner?

all the stars · 30-09-2008 10:12AM

Bendihorse wrote: »

I cant say i agree with it on that level, women should be allowed to flirt within reason, and wear revealing clothes without a male presuming shes 'his' or game for sex. It is NEVER ok for a man to rape a woman under any circumstances - However, I do think that every woman has a responsibility for looking after themselves and using good judgement. They should not be absolved of responsibility as if they were a child and didn't know any better.

I find it hard to feel sorry for a woman who got herself into a bad situation out of bad judgment and lack of responsibility for her personal safety. Girls take drink induced chances and get into trouble.

Just to reiterate, rape is wrong no matter what the circumstances. My issue is with the females that allow themselves to be put in a situation where they could easily be raped or attacked. (i realise this is not every case, sometimes women are preyed upon and attacked etc, im referring to the girls that get plastered drunk and walk home alone, get into bed with a stranger etc) they are inviting the possibility of getting raped to their doorstep.

i get what your sdaying, not to be taking silly chances and i agree as i generally dont walk alone down dark alleys just incase some menteller is there and might murder me or something....

But the whole thing of dressing revealing - thats very subject to question... thats kinda a cultural thing also (?) like in the arabic countries where you only see a woman eyes under that big gown, if those men who are only used to that were to move over here, every woman would possibly be considered flirting and inappropriatly dressed (?) therefore, ....

Also, whats considered flirting... see that is also interpritive...

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-09-2008 10:13AM

Pighead wrote:

What are ya snorting at ya spanner?

Oh, this...

Pighead wrote: »

Pigheads always getting touched up by ladies.

Pighead · 30-09-2008 10:16AM

Crystal Scary Point wrote: »

Oh, this...

But it's true. Why wouldn't it be? Sure didn't you only last week leave a message for Pighead telling him that he was "looking lovely".

brianthebard · 30-09-2008 10:20AM

Blowfish wrote: »

It depends completely on how the questions were worded and how they came to the conclusion.

If for example the question was "Do you think women who wear provocative clothing are more at risk of sexual assault/rape than those who don't", the resulting percentages don't suprise me. Given the tabloid nature of the article, it wouldn't suprise me if they were just jumping to conclusions from there.

Amnesty international are a tabloid now?

Blowfish · 30-09-2008 10:22AM

brianthebard wrote: »

Amnesty international are a tabloid now?

Sometimes, I do wonder.

Delirium · 30-09-2008 10:23AM

I'd be amazed if any of the people who said the woman is to blame, would actually dare say that to the face of a rape victim. How can it be the womans fault that some guy decided to rape her? Surely its the guys fault!

I mean you don't blame house owners for being robbed. 'Well sir, you should have considered the chances of being robbed before you bought the house.':eek:

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-09-2008 10:25AM

Pighead wrote: »

But it's true. Why wouldn't it be? Sure didn't you only last week leave a message for Pighead telling him that he was "looking lovely".

I did because you were. *blush*

However, at the risk of sounding overtly pendantic, I didn't touch you up nor am I a lady. My main target for derision, however, was the use of the word "always." The example you produced took place in the 1990s, which means it would've taken place at least nine years ago. That hardly warrants the use of the word "always" which implies it (in this case it being you touched up by the ladies) still happens on a regular basis.

Bendihorse · 30-09-2008 10:25AM

Its not about 'revealing' clothes as such, i have a friend who wears tiny short skirts but always manages to look classy not trashy... Partly because she doesn't cross the tarty looking line, but also because she doesn't drink herself to oblivion at which point small clothes usually start creeping up and down and all over the place!

Girls that look 'trashy' and 'easy' get that image by more than just the clothes they put on. They flirt and wind lads up cos they like the attention, so in effect they are again putting themselves up for or leaving themselves open to rape.

However, this still doesn't excuse rape in this case, men should still be able to exercise self restraint and should be held accountable for their actions.

Bendihorse · 30-09-2008 10:28AM

koth wrote: »

I'd be amazed if any of the people who said the woman is to blame, would actually dare say that to the face of a rape victim. How can it be the womans fault that some guy decided to rape her? Surely its the guys fault!

I mean you don't blame house owners for being robbed. 'Well sir, you should have considered the chances of being robbed before you bought the house.':eek:

No, but if that person had walked out and left their door open, you wouldn't blame the individual for being robbed, but you would say they weren't responsible enough to lock their door and try to prevent putting themselves in that situation in the first place. In effect, they left themselves open to being robbed. Made themselves an easy target in other words.

It does not make OK and the thief should still be punishable to the full extent of the law... But the person that left their door open is still slightly at fault for bringing about their own demise.

Pighead · 30-09-2008 10:34AM

Crystal Scary Point wrote: »

I did because you were. *blush*

However, at the risk of sounding overtly pendantic, I didn't touch you up nor am I a lady. My main target for derision, however, was the use of the word "always." The example you produced took place in the 1990s, which means it would've taken place at least nine years ago. That hardly warrants the use of the word "always" which implies it (in this case it being you touched up by the ladies) still happens on a regular basis.

Listen Crystal Scary Point, Pighead just picked that example at random. Could just have easily picked the arse pinch in Lahinch back in 02, the touched groin in Dunboyne in 06 or the slapped bum in Dundrum in 07. Point is, it's always happening.

Anyway back on topic, surveys are pants.

Delirium · 30-09-2008 10:38AM

Bendihorse wrote: »

No, but if that person had walked out and left their door open, you wouldn't blame the individual for being robbed, but you would say they weren't responsible enough to lock their door and try to prevent putting themselves in that situation in the first place. In effect, they left themselves open to being robbed. Made themselves an easy target in other words.

It does not make OK and the thief should still be punishable to the full extent of the law... But the person that left their door open is still slightly at fault for bringing about their own demise.

Take you point, but you could say the thief had already chosen the house to rob, and felt really lucky the door was unlocked. Doesn't mean that the thief would have been put off if the door was locked.

all the stars · 30-09-2008 10:40AM

Bendihorse wrote: »

No, but if that person had walked out and left their door open, you wouldn't blame the individual for being robbed, but you would say they weren't responsible enough to lock their door and try to prevent putting themselves in that situation in the first place. In effect, they left themselves open to being robbed. Made themselves an easy target in other words.

It does not make OK and the thief should still be punishable to the full extent of the law... But the person that left their door open is still slightly at fault for bringing about their own demise.

god i dunno... was only recently people started leaving their doors closed and locked round my way... til then you could actually just walk in, door was left open.

Also, i think its maybe a mans way of shirking responsibility "well, if she didn't look so hot i wouldn't have..."
I mean, once again, its all interpritive. no does mean no... and it really does.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-09-2008 10:41AM

Pighead wrote: »

Listen Frada, Pighead just picked that example at random. Could just have easily picked the arse pinch in Lahinch back in 02, the touched groin in Dunboyne in 06 or the slapped bum in Dundrum in 07. Point is, it's always happening.

It clearly isn't, four fondlings throughout your lifetime doesn't mean it's "always" happening. It just means that it's been known to happen or that there's a history of it happening. That is all.

Leeby · 30-09-2008 10:57AM

I was reading this this morning, am I the only one that thought that some people had to be just taking the piss when filling in the survey? I'm referring mainly to the part where it says one in ten think it's okay to use violence against a partner if they nag, flirt with other men, or refuse to have sex. One in ten seems VERY high.

The only way I can explain it would be a group of people sitting round, filling in this thing and reading that and making a joke of it with their mates/girlfriends. I know it's not funny but I could imagine most lads I know thinking it's hilarious, and ticking yes and sayin something stupid to their girlfriends like "see now If you don't put out tonight I'll batter ya!"

robinph · 30-09-2008 10:57AM

koth wrote: »

I'd be amazed if any of the people who said the woman is to blame, would actually dare say that to the face of a rape victim. How can it be the womans fault that some guy decided to rape her? Surely its the guys fault!

I'd be amazed if any of the questions that were asked in the survey actually mentioned rape and flirty behaviour or clothing in the same question.

Will have been a couple of questions about tarty looking women getting more noticed in pubs/ clubs, then some completely unrelated ones about house prices or something, and then something like do you think rape is bad or do you like jaffa cakes. They then get all the results back and jumble them up a bit into a way that makes a controversial set of results that they can sell off to some guillible "news" sources.

jackdaw · 30-09-2008 11:11AM

Crystal Scary Point wrote: »

Idiots. Another reason never to go up there.

BTW, in yore ma's case, it's not rape.

yeah ****ing nordies and scots .. can't stand em ....*

now i await my ban ...

*not to be taken seriously .. sure Billy Connolly, Sean Connery and eh eh ..... Gerry Adams are 3 of my favourite people ..

jesus_thats_gre · 30-09-2008 11:15AM

I am genuinely shocked by this report.

John Mason · 30-09-2008 11:23AM

we are all disgusted at what the nordies are saying but if the exact same survery was done in the free state, do you really think the results would be any different?

i dont

Bendihorse · 30-09-2008 11:40AM

Rape is wrong no matter what the circumstances, im just saying that wimmen should take more care and responsibility for their personal safety. In a lot of cases, rape could have been preventable if the girl was watching out for herself.

Zzippy · 30-09-2008 11:44AM

irishbird wrote: »

we are all disgusted at what the nordies are saying but if the exact same survery was done in the free state, do you really think the results would be any different?

i dont

Where?

king_of_inismac · 30-09-2008 11:44AM

A similar poll was taken in this state a few months back, and the results were similar. I looked into it at the time because a lot of news stations were talking about it.

It's easy to take the results out of context and say "Irish people believe that women who dress provocatively are responsible for getting raped". It grabs headlines and sells papers.

I teach self defense classes to both men and women every so often.
No one is responsible for being raped because of what they wear, say, etc

HOWEVER,
Everyone should BE responsible for their own personal safely. How many of us have heard of a woman being raped while she walked home with her friends from the niteclub? NONE why? because attackers are looking for an easy target.

How many of us have heard of someone being mugged while sober, and walking through a well lit safe area? NONE why? because attackers are looking for an easy target.

Learning to punch, kick, get out of holds etc is all bull****. If you're in a situation where you need to know this, you've already LOST!!

We all have friends, girlfriends, wives, etc so we all know we want them to feel and be safe, so I'd ask them to think responibly for their own benifit.

They're not responsible for being raped, but they are responsible for ensuring their own safety.

Kintarō Hattori · 30-09-2008 11:48AM

I'm afraid it looks more and more like we are living in a society full of 'animals'. It is simply never, EVER acceptable to rape a woman. She should be free to flirt and wear whatever she wants.

Anyone who says rape is justifiable on any level is pure scum.

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