Is hunting wrong?

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 01:47PM #1

Involved in dialogue over on the hunting forum. However, it's obvious what their stance is going to be. Over here, the folks on AH are known for their broad array of opinions!

What is your opinion on the subject? I personally find people who hunt for fun to be extremely sadistic & cruel. I can appreciate people hunting for food, or defending their lifestock - But not all are that way.

I am referring to those who go out and butcher animals for cheap thrills. What say you? Is dlofnep too much of a tree hugging hippy, or is their method to his madness?

20goto10 · 29-09-2008 01:55PM

I agree with you completely. Hunting is OK if you are going to eat the animal. In fact it is a hell of a lot better than how most of us get our meat from mass slaughter and breeding animals as food.

But hunting for sport is pathetic, regardless of whether or not you eat the animal.

javaboy · 29-09-2008 01:56PM

dlofnep wrote: »

What is your opinion on the subject? I personally find people who hunt for fun to be extremely sadistic & cruel. I can appreciate people hunting for food, or defending their lifestock - But not all are that way.

I am referring to those who go out and butcher animals for cheap thrills. What say you? Is dlofnep too much of a tree hugging hippy, or is their method to his madness?

It should be pointed out that many forms of hunting are no more cruel or painful to the animal than traditional methods of killing in a slaughterhouse.

Some methods are brutally cruel and painful alright but not all.

Voted for option 2 btw.

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 01:59PM

javaboy wrote: »

It should be pointed out that many forms of hunting are no more cruel or painful to the animal than traditional methods of killing in a slaughterhouse.

Some methods are brutally cruel and painful alright but not all.

Voted for option 2 btw.

Perhaps, but does it take away from the fact that the animal loses it's life in the sake of a bit of fun?

rollie · 29-09-2008 02:01PM

its a god given right....thats why i keep a vile of anthrax, for duck huntin' :pac:

biko · 29-09-2008 02:02PM

Killing for food is ok in my book.
Killing for "sport" is bad m'kay?

Ruu_Old · 29-09-2008 02:02PM

Don't kid yourself, Jimmy. If a <insert animal here> ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about! Number 2 though.

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 02:03PM

Ruu wrote: »

Don't kid yourself, Jimmy. If a <insert animal here> ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about! Number 2 though.

Not the Whale Shark. He is friendly and eats Plankton. But I guess, Plankton are people too, right?

José Alaninho · 29-09-2008 02:05PM

I am a hunter myself, and I guess you could say that I do it as a 'hobby', but that said, I always eat what I kill, and / or do it to protect livestock. In my opinion hunting for trophies / 'sport' and not making any use of an animal other than killing it not only shows a blatant disrespect for the said animal, but also must be seen as some kind of underlying love of inflicting death for laughs. This I cannot stand, and yet I am for all intents and purposes a hunter. Am I being hypocritical? Just my two cents.

Cianos · 29-09-2008 02:07PM

Hunting for food is completely fine, as other posters have said, I think it is a much more humane way to get food rather than contributing to meat factories. So I would have a lot of respect for someone who hunts for their food.

But those who hunt just for fun have something wrong with them if you ask me. Pointless killing for the sake of killing, not far removed from going in to the park with a rifle and picking off a couple of joggers.

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 02:09PM

José Alaninho wrote: »

I am a hunter myself, and I guess you could say that I do it as a 'hobby', but that said, I always eat what I kill, and / or do it to protect livestock. In my opinion hunting for trophies / 'sport' and not making any use of an animal other than killing it not only shows a blatant disrespect for the said animal, but also must be seen as some kind of underlying love of inflicting death for laughs. This I cannot stand, and yet I am for all intents and purposes a hunter. Am I being hypocritical? Just my two cents.

It depends. Do you hunt solely for food, or hunt because it's fun? I'm not trying to be Doctor Moral here or anything, but it all depends.

javaboy · 29-09-2008 02:11PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Perhaps, but does it take away from the fact that the animal loses it's life in the sake of a bit of fun?

Em well as I said, I voted for option 2. So I'm against hunting for sport anyway. I was just pointing out that hunting isn't all about inflicting pain and suffering.

For most hunting disciplines, it's about skill I think.

togster · 29-09-2008 02:15PM

Well i don't see why we can't hunt for sport. I fox hunt or used to and will again next month. So i gues i'm a bad human being. I hunt for the thrill of it. I'd be lying if i said it was for conservation. But control of numbers is a by product of it whether you want to admit it or not.

tallaght01 · 29-09-2008 02:18PM

Hunting really makes me sick. It's really depraved. But any people I've ever spoken to who've been involved in hunting, have justified it to themselves with all kinds of silly reasons. There's just no point in arguing with them. They know it's wrong, but they still like doing it, so it's a circular argument.

g'em · 29-09-2008 02:22PM

tallaght01 wrote: »

Hunting really makes me sick. It's really depraved. But any people I've ever spoken to who've been involved in hunting, have justified it to themselves with all kinds of silly reasons. There's just no point in arguing with them. They know it's wrong, but they still like doing it, so it's a circular argument.

Who says it's wrong though? You?

I've hunted for food in the past and would have no problem doing it again. Food finding aside there are other very valid reasons to hunt (controlled culls for example). Sure, there's going to be a few extremists eejits who neglect to abide by the hunting code and make all hunters look like arses, but those people are very much in the minority and most hunters I know have more respect for the countryside and its flora and fauna than the average Joe.

Peared · 29-09-2008 02:26PM

g'em wrote: »

Who says it's wrong though? You?

I've hunted for food in the past and would have no problem doing it again. Food finding aside there are other very valid reasons to hunt (controlled culls for example). Sure, there's going to be a few extremists eejits who neglect to abide by the hunting code and make all hunters look like arses, but those people are very much in the minority and most hunters I know have more respect for the countryside and its flora and fauna than the average Joe.

Who says it's right though, you?

Works both ways.

Mr. Incognito · 29-09-2008 02:27PM

I don't know whay a modern society needs guns period.

Killing anything for the thrill of it is inheriently sick.

tallaght01 · 29-09-2008 02:28PM

g'em wrote: »

Who says it's wrong though? You?

I've hunted for food in the past and would have no problem doing it again. Food finding aside there are other very valid reasons to hunt (controlled culls for example). Sure, there's going to be a few extremists eejits who neglect to abide by the hunting code and make all hunters look like arses, but those people are very much in the minority and most hunters I know have more respect for the countryside and its flora and fauna than the average Joe.

Yea I say it's wrong!! I thought that was obvious from my post.

Controlled culls is one of those rubbish reasons that I spoke about.

And how do you equate, say, a pack of dogs biting the balls off a fox til he dies with "respecting" the flora and fauna???

BroomBurner · 29-09-2008 02:29PM

Hunting in some places is required because the idiot hunters before them got rid of the predators of certain animals (e.g. deer) and these animals are now breeding rapidly and detroying the environment for other living beings that may depend on it.

Hunting for food is grand, providing you are not eating endangered animals.

Hunting for fun is sick though, and shows a blatant disregard and lack of respect for other living beings.

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 02:30PM

I often hear arguments like - "Oh as a result of what we do, we keep the population curbed".

The result of your actions doesn't change the intent of your actions, and that is to kill an animal for thrills. (And once again, I am referring to those who hunt for sport)

g'em · 29-09-2008 02:32PM

Peared wrote: »

Who says it's right though, you?

Works both ways.

Absolutely, hence the reason I said it. I'm not a fan of the "it's wrong because I say so but I can't give any valid reasons" argument. I've already said why I personally thing it's ok.

tallaght01 wrote: »

Controlled culls is one of those rubbish reasons that I spoke about.

Controlled culls are rubbish? Uh-huh. Deer culls are absolutely vital across the country on an annual basis. Without them trees get badly damaged, land is destroyed and without any other natural predators and acres upon acres of predator-free land the population can run wild.

tallaght01 wrote:

And how do you equate, say, a pack of dogs biting the balls off a fox til he dies with "respecting" the flora and fauna???

I don't equate them, by hunting I mean shooting, horse and hound hunting is a different story and one that I wouldn't agree with.

KnifeWRENCH · 29-09-2008 02:50PM

Hunting for sport is pointless. If someone shoots a fox or a deer just for the "thrill" or so they can show off it's a bit pathetic.
Like is it meant to be impressive? "Wow, you managed to conquer nature by firing bullets into an unsuspecting creature. Aren't you just fantastic?" :rolleyes:

Hunting for sport or protection of livestock is a different matter, but I fear that many who use those excuses are just doing it for the thrill.

tallaght01 · 29-09-2008 02:51PM

I thought proper culls were suposed to be carried out by trained marksmen, so they've a better chance of killing them straight off.

The hunters I've met ain't no trained marksmen, Neither are their mental dogs.

javaboy · 29-09-2008 02:54PM

square_igloo wrote: »

Hunting for sport is pointless. If someone shoots a fox or a deer just for the "thrill" or so they can show off it's a bit pathetic.
Like is it meant to be impressive? "Wow, you managed to conquer nature by firing bullets into an unsuspecting creature. Aren't you just fantastic?" :rolleyes:

+1

Hunting for sport or protection of livestock is a different matter, but I fear that many who use those excuses are just doing it for the thrill.

Completely agree with this. For every 5 people claiming they are hunting for population control or that they eat everything they catch, there is probably only 1 telling the truth. Culls can be legitimate but I'd say it's definitely being used as an excuse by some.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 29-09-2008 02:57PM

we are animals

alot of animals kill other animals.

get used to it.

the end.

tallaght01 · 29-09-2008 03:01PM

Mordeth wrote: »

we are animals

alot of animals kill other animals.

get used to it.

the end.

Nice.....so I could pop another human, no questions asked then?

raido9 · 29-09-2008 03:01PM

BroomBurner wrote: »

Hunting for food is grand, providing you are not eating endangered animals.

Hunting for fun is sick though, and shows a blatant disregard and lack of respect for other living beings.

Do you have a problem with people who go fishing for the fun of it?

Do you have a problem with killing annoying bugs/insects/rodents in your house?

g'em · 29-09-2008 03:02PM

tallaght01 wrote: »

I thought proper culls were suposed to be carried out by trained marksmen, so they've a better chance of killing them straight off.

It depends on the area/ animal/ involvement of the Irish Wildlife Service (and it's a few years since I was involved with anything like this, so things may have changed and I'm open to correction). Deer culls in large National Parks for e.g. are generally carried out by National Parks and Wildlife Service. Then there's also private deer hunting licenses awarded each year by the NPWS.

Shooting other animals will also require a license and it's fairly strictly controlled and managed with defined seasons and regulations.

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 03:03PM

Mordeth wrote: »

we are animals

alot of animals kill other animals.

get used to it.

the end.

Not for fun they don't.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 29-09-2008 03:03PM

it depends on where you are, if you're in america you can shoot a black guy and probably get away with it. if you're in iran you can probably kill a jew and get away with it and if you're in africa you can kill a woman who names a teacher mohhamed.

It's a bit like hindus and cows, and westerners and kittens.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 29-09-2008 03:04PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Not for fun they don't.

yes they do, chimpanzee's murder and have great fun doing so.

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