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How many texts sent in Ireland each year?

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  • #32
    Run_to_da_hills
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    David McWilliams wrote: »
    I'll admit this came from a colleague (I'd rather not give details of where he works etc., but he knows his stuff) who told me authorities in France (or maybe Italy?) caught a murderer who thought he'd be safe just changing his SIM.

    One of the biggest mistakes criminals make is swapping sims around to different phones and contaminating them. Every time you make a call your number and the IMEI number is transmitted.

    The Authorities can request details from a service provider of that number and all the IMEI numbers that was used with that "dirty" sim. They can trace all the different phones that were used and match them up with any new Sims that were installed and then tap into them


  • #33
    Time Magazine
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    javaboy wrote: »
    If the phone was on, I'm not surprised. It's definitely possible. I did a bit of messing around with locating phones using the cell tower info myself.

    I'd be interested to know if the phone was off at the time he was traced though.

    It wasn't off, but the (now truly mysterious) colleague went on to say that the only way you can remove any doubt of a phone being traced is to remove its battery. I hate to say this: but I wouldn't rule out what Run_to_da_hills is saying :pac:


  • #34
    javaboy
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    David McWilliams wrote: »
    It wasn't off, but the (now truly mysterious) colleague went on to say that the only way you can remove any doubt of a phone being traced is to remove its battery. I hate to say this: but I wouldn't rule out what Run_to_da_hills is saying :pac:

    Neither would I really.:eek: I'm just very doubtful about whether it is currently the case that it can be done. There is still power going through a phone while it's off so theoretically if the antenna is getting power, it might be possible to track it.


  • #35
    Run_to_da_hills
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    David McWilliams wrote: »
    It wasn't off, but the (now truly mysterious) colleague went on to say that the only way you can remove any doubt of a phone being traced is to remove its battery. I hate to say this: but I wouldn't rule out what Run_to_da_hills is saying :pac:
    Remove the battery and sim. Remember there is the internal clock battery. :eek:


  • #36
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Remove the battery and sim. Remember there is the internal clock battery. :eek:

    But sure if the phone was ever used at all, they have the IMEI and they've already associated it with the sim. So you need to remove the internal clock battery too. It's not like you to miss out on something like that. :D

    Anyway, why exactly do people who are this paranoid about being traced need phones in the first place? They're never going to use them by the sounds of it what with the battery and the sim removed.


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  • #37
    Run_to_da_hills
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    javaboy wrote: »
    But sure if the phone was ever used at all, they have the IMEI and they've already associated it with the sim. So you need to remove the internal clock battery too. It's not like you to miss out on something like that. :D.

    They could associate the IMEI, you would want to be on the run for something very serious if they are going to go to that extent.
    javaboy wrote: »


    Anyway, why exactly do people who are this paranoid about being traced need phones in the first place? They're never going to use them by the sounds of it what with the battery and the sim removed.

    You can always shove it in a "Farraday cage" It will block any signals going out. :D


  • #38
    Bob the Builder
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    Any phone that loses the time when you pull the battery out cannot be located without the battery being inserted. On the other hand, if you remove the battery from the phone, and re-insert it one minute later, and if its remembered its time, then, in that case - it's location can be tracked every 3-5hours.

    With the battery inside, the phone's location may be traced (depending on the phone) between every 10minutes and 2hours.

    With the phone on, the phone's location can be traced every 10minutes, or instantly if one was to call the phone. When the phone is turned on and reporting to the network it sends the IMEI and the Sim Number(usually a 12-16 digit phrase written on the sim), which can be traced.

    To accurately trace a phone, the phone needs a simultaneous connection with between three and five masts. With two masts, the phone may still be traced, but not as accurately, and with 1 mast, we can merely tell that the phone is in the vicinity of the mast(ie. within 1km).

    On newer phones such as the iphone, everytime you connect to the wifi, a software update is checked, which ultimately sends the IP of the router you are at to apple, and if apple wanted to - they could record your movements, from country to country, or if the authorities came, they could trace your exact location. Google are the pretty much the same, except they log where you go on Google Maps as well, so they can see the areas you checked on GMaps/GEarth and then trace you.

    Everything you do on a phone can be logged.


  • #39
    Skyuser
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    All those billions of texts are stored for five years under data retention laws. Someone somewhere has a big computer :eek:

    It's in Wales I think.


  • #40
    javaboy
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    nevf wrote: »
    Any phone that loses the time when you pull the battery out cannot be located without the battery being inserted. On the other hand, if you remove the battery from the phone, and re-insert it one minute later, and if its remembered its time, then, in that case - it's location can be tracked every 3-5hours.

    Can't argue with much else in your post but what's the 3-5 hours thing about? Seems strangely arbitrary to me.


  • #41
    SV
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    I wonder...

    I've sent 48765 texts from this phone and I have it about 6 months.. texting all day every day really.
    So I'd say 4.4 billion is only a fraction each year really!


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  • #42
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Skyuser wrote: »
    It's in Wales I think.

    I think your thinking of that massive building in Wales that used to store analogue phone conversations between Ireland and the UK during the troubles.

    I would say that the combined number of the texts sent in this country in one year would probably fit on the average size hard drive.


  • #43
    whiskeyman
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    Mark63 wrote: »
    Just wondering. Saw a figure of 4.4 billion in 2005. I assume this has gone up alot by now. Any ideas or where I might get the figure?

    www.comreg.ie is your friend.

    http://www.comreg.ie/_fileupload/publications/ComReg0875.pdf

    Page 47 has most recent quarterly figures.


  • #44
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    ClioV6 wrote: »
    I wonder...

    I've sent 48765 texts from this phone and I have it about 6 months.. texting all day every day really.
    So I'd say 4.4 billion is only a fraction each year really!
    Jesus, that's 270 a day....!

    If you weret he average, that, ith a population of 5 million, is 492,750,000,000 nationally per year

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #45
    m@cc@
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    Jay P wrote: »
    I'd say it's more than that. I send about a hundred, and I know a lot of people who send a lot more than that. And considering theres over four million in the country, I'd say it's a long way over the 4.4 billion from 2005.

    You do know that a billion = 1000 million?


  • #46
    Time Magazine
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    whiskeyman wrote: »
    www.comreg.ie is your friend.

    So it page 1 of this thread...


  • #47
    Mark63
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    whiskeyman wrote: »
    www.comreg.ie is your friend.

    http://www.comreg.ie/_fileupload/publications/ComReg0875.pdf

    Page 47 has most recent quarterly figures.

    Thanks - exactly what I was looking for so about 10 billion a year. Mad!


  • #48
    Bob the Builder
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    javaboy wrote: »
    Can't argue with much else in your post but what's the 3-5 hours thing about? Seems strangely arbitrary to me.
    A cheap phone like the Nokia 2600 loses the record of time when you pull out the battery, and as soon as you turn on the phone again, you have to set the time. This basically means that if I killed you, and threw you in a bush, and took the battery out of your phone, but left the phoen there, then the phone cannot be tracked because there's no internal battery sending a signal.

    On the other hand, a more expensive Nokia phone like the N95 has an internal battery(so even if you take the big battery out, it won't forget the time), and so, every 3-5 hours, (you will see a tiny flash on your phone), it sends out a pulse, connects to a mast, and then disconnects again. It's called a dummy signal or something like that...


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