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wicklaman83 · 28-09-2008 06:42PM

dont see anything about metman getting an infraction.was his last post not personal abuse to fyr.obviously regular posters have the run of the place.telling someone they are looking for attention is now personal abuse.ya learn something new everyday

JonAnderton · 28-09-2008 07:05PM

Obviously integrity, honesty and truth of fact isn't a concern of the visitors to this forum

Shame

wicklaman83 · 28-09-2008 07:24PM

whatever metman has to say would be full of that wouldn't it.will ya stop lickin civicf's arse

m4j · 28-09-2008 07:36PM

I have to disagree with you Darren, I think you may be missing the point overall as to what is being said, but I respect that this is your opinion.

I am a regular reader but only post in relation to areas I want to learn about and to share my experience and support others if I can, I present myself in an open and honest fashion at all times and am greatly concerned with the information metman has uncovered, as a result I also completly agree with metmans post. He raised in a very mature and honest fashion concerns that had previously he felt concerned him, at the time those that no him from his posts understood his concerns but suggested that maybe he needed a break away, I had also said that I didn't share in his concerns at the time but respected his stand on the issue and based this respect on his insight, knowledge and passion for his profession, however, now that new information has come to light I now see completly that metman was well witinin his rights as a member of this forum to address these issues both now and in the past.

I take the vast majority of posters here at face value, I used the information shared here to help raise awareness and to try and adapt policy on behalf of those members of the ES who actually face extreme challenges each day and night in order to ensure our peace and security, if one presents as untruthful then it puts all information in doubt and in fact puts a dark cloud over every aspect of discussions here.

There has always been a welcome to everyone here, I am a non member and have had differences of opinions at times, however I have always been welcomed and I have always received support, to elude that an outsider is not welcomed is wrong, to make yourself out to be something that you are not when in fact it could really impact of those that are is wrong. Sites like this allow for people to remain annomyous in order to share opennly but to bring this into question is wrong.

This is my humble opinion and I am open to being proven wrong on my concerns, I also appreciate that someone actually cares enough to address this and had felt that the comments leveled at Metman were wrong from the beginning and apologies to metman for not stating this at the time openly here.

JonAnderton · 28-09-2008 07:39PM

Asking for or offering of opinions... Everyone should be free to and entitled to give and receive both.. I've said this from the start. Questions and items for debate... everyones invited to the party.

But
Giving advice to people and 'retelling' experiences under the pretence that other people believe you to be someone you are not, well, That can't be right in anyones book...

and in some circumstances could be dangerous, ie offering legal advice, or tactical/officer safety techniques or exposing incorrect methodolgy of ES working practices.

ps I recall m4j came on here asking for the opinions of active service members regarding a very important issue, and the work he was doing regarding this... If he had people giving him experiences and advice which was completly false and untrue, this could have influenced and affected his work greatly, which in turn could have been detrimental to serving and retired AGS members.

Surley this shouldn't be condoned or encouraged

wicklaman83 · 28-09-2008 07:47PM

i also respect your opinion but i feel as an established member like metman to just up and leave and publicly state he was leaving cause of one or two members highly childish.why state to us all that he was leaving other than draw attention to himself i dont know.if indeed he is a member of garda/police god help us when a member of such an organisation feels he has to leave cause the heat is rising or he has a problem with another member

JonAnderton · 28-09-2008 07:50PM

darren254 wrote: »

i also respect your opinion but i feel as an established member like metman to just up and leave and publicly state he was leaving cause of one or two members highly childish.why state to us all that he was leaving other than draw attention to himself i dont know.if indeed he is a member of garda/police god help us when a member of such an organisation feels he has to leave cause the heat is rising or he has a problem with another member

As previously stated, the posts were going nowhere and sometimes the best thing is to stop, and back off a bit. Metman did this, collected his thoughts, then returned. His stating he was departing was to highlight the facts why he was taking a leave of abscence as opposed to just the fact that he was... well, thats my understanding of it.

deadwood · 28-09-2008 07:52PM

Good points made above.
As a prolific poster, fyr ftr has sometimes been given a "fools pardon" here. He was seen as a bit innocent/naive and maybe a bit too enthusiastic.
Metman has, it seems, exposed a person who has used the relative anonimity of Boards to pose as a Garda, amongst other stuff. This would also call into question the veracity of every poster here claiming to be a member of an E.S.

We can only wait for fyr ftr to confirm or deny these claims.

I think everyone is allowed express an opinion here but will be corrected quickly on points of law, policy etc., whereas on other forums (fora?) these can go uncorrected. e.g. "...and he wasn't wearing his cap when he arrested my mate..." kind of comments. Visitors might see this as hostile as there usually isn't another post to support them with a "...and my mate who knows stuff says they're obliged to give you a lift yadda, yadda..."

Let's hear what Fyrftr has to say.

m4j · 28-09-2008 08:20PM

darren254 wrote: »

i also respect your opinion but i feel as an established member like metman to just up and leave and publicly state he was leaving cause of one or two members highly childish.why state to us all that he was leaving other than draw attention to himself i dont know.if indeed he is a member of garda/police god help us when a member of such an organisation feels he has to leave cause the heat is rising or he has a problem with another member

Hi Darren,

I understand what you are saying but for me I learned along time ago that sometimes other factors in life can impact on me and as a result I possible may do or say things that really dont reflect my true personality at all.

I base my opinion of metman not on what was (in my opinion at the time) a very out of character decision but on all of his posts and contributions, I also try and understand that we can all do and say things at times that are not a real reflection of who we are.

Keeping this point in mind I have looked at all the other sites in relation to the poster concerned and would be concerned about the fact that they have made themselves out to be 31yrs married, home owner, Garda Seargent, College Student in UCD, Barman, living at home, expert in many things etc etc, maybe there is a logical reason, maybe this person is in need of support in someway, I dont want to judge them of vilify them but am concerned that others may in fact of been misinformed and even hurt as a result. It is very strange behaviour that could impact on others badly.

I hope this helps to share were I am coming from and again am open to be proven wrong.

Esel · 28-09-2008 08:20PM

Metman, where is the connection between Fyr.Fytr and Sgt. Al of PoliceSpecials.com?

m4j · 28-09-2008 08:28PM

esel wrote: »

Metman, where is the connection between Fyr.Fytr and Sgt. Al of PoliceSpecials.com?

Esel, if it helps last night I was able to link Sgt Al to Fry Fytr on another site, both are from Swords, the link seems to be gone now but I am sure myself that both were the same. Again, I looked out of concern in relatio to conversations I have had with this poster.

I could be wrong but was very sure earlier.

Hope this helps

deadwood · 28-09-2008 08:30PM

m4j wrote: »

Keeping this point in mind I have looked at all the other sites in relation to the poster concerned and would be concerned about the fact that they have made themselves out to be 31yrs married, home owner, Garda Seargent, College Student in UCD, Barman, living at home, expert in many things etc etc, maybe there is a logical reason, maybe this person is in need of support in someway,

Something a few of us thought but were afraid of coming across as patronising.

deadwood · 28-09-2008 08:33PM

darren254 wrote: »

if indeed he is a member of garda/police god help us when a member of such an organisation feels he has to leave cause the heat is rising or he has a problem with another member

Sometimes it's about taking a step back. An old bull and a young bull were sitting on a hill..."

metman · 28-09-2008 08:37PM

esel wrote: »

Metman, where is the connection between Fyr.Fytr and Sgt. Al of PoliceSpecials.com?

The Skype username....amongst other things.....profile below.

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JonAnderton · 28-09-2008 08:40PM

deadwood wrote: »

Sometimes it's about taking a step back. An old bull and a young bull were sitting on a hill..."

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Sorry, thats funnier than the bulls quote....
Maybe the grammers wrong...

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Paulzx · 28-09-2008 08:53PM

Well done on the detective work Metman. As you are already aware i was of the same opinion as you on this issue from the start of this saga. I am delighted you have been vindicated and hope you will continue posting.

I'm sure you'll have loads of pm's from all those that disagreed with you;)

deadwood · 28-09-2008 08:54PM

Nearly as funny as Garda Intelligence!

metman · 28-09-2008 09:05PM

Paulzx wrote: »

Well done on the detective work Metman. As you are already aware i was of the same opinion as you on this issue from the start of this saga. I am delighted you have been vindicated and hope you will continue posting.

I'm sure you'll have loads of pm's from all those that disagreed with you;)

Cheers Paul, thanks for that mate.

We've discussed this previously in PMs and with your own operational and job experience you recognised there was an issue, without any prompting. I just did a bit more digging

And I've had loads of pm's from people saying cheers, good effort. The policespecials site (run by serving police officers) is going to be advised, and they take a very dim view of people impersonating police on there.

deadwood · 28-09-2008 09:14PM

metman wrote: »

they take a very dim view of people impersonating police on there.

Did I do that one about the actor on Glenroe before?

civdef · 28-09-2008 09:19PM

Darren254 has been banned from this forum. Was funny to see a relatively new user to the forum get so worked up about this issue.

deadwood · 28-09-2008 09:27PM

civdef wrote: »

Darren254 has been banned from this forum. Was funny to see a relatively new user to the forum get so worked up about this issue.

My spidie senses tell me you're hinting at Bruce Wayne and Batman never seen in the same room together there, civdef?;)

eroo · 28-09-2008 09:41PM

I'm dissapointed. This forum has had it's drama's over the last few weeks. I, for one, look forward to getting back to normality.

deadwood · 28-09-2008 09:52PM

eroo wrote: »

I'm dissapointed. This forum has had it's drama's over the last few weeks. I, for one, look forward to getting back to normality.

I think we all feel the same, eroo.

It's one thing someone dropping in to stir it up a bit (which is probably healthy up to a point).

The issue here is (feel free to correct me metman et al) a frequent poster who has had his wings clipped a couple of times already has been exposed as a fraud- allegedly. He has not come on to clarify his position.

I've whinged before about E.S. members (An G.S. in my case) posting here to inform others about our job etc. and the risks entailed. If Fyr fytr gains a position of trust and is proven to be a fraud, nobody has any reason to believe the rest ofus, even though we can relate first-hand experience to more grounded enthusiasts such as yourself.

CLADA · 28-09-2008 10:14PM

Took the kids to the zoo this afternoon and on to the cinema, just about to go to bed (on early:() , decided to have a quick look to see if anything interesting here :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Well, Well, Well, I'm going to have to ring Ian Blair in the morning and nominate the man from the Met for employee of the month. The fyr fytrs silence speaks volumes. Never been on that policespecials.com but it appears he was really pushing the boat out there.

Metman with such great detective skills it appears you missed your vocation. You should have been a policeman:D:D:eek:

Nice to see you back.....in a blaze of glory.

JonAnderton · 28-09-2008 10:19PM

Metman is natural Poleece

As for Ian Blair, I'm not sure having his recommendation is such a good thing these days...

(The comments made in this post are that of the poster alone and not those held by any Police department, its partner agencies or coummunities it serves... by the way, yay for PCSO's. Sir B, Commish... sorry, just want to make it clear, that was a joke, I'm not Sir Ian.. or am I?????)

deadwood · 28-09-2008 10:30PM

JonAnderton wrote: »

Metman is natural Poleece

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit!

deadwood · 28-09-2008 10:33PM

JonAnderton wrote: »

As for Ian Blair, I'm not sure having his recommendation is such a good thing these days...

Oh oh. You'll be painting the boathouse in Hereford with metmans toothbrush for that one!

metman · 28-09-2008 10:34PM

Jon, I am a natural Poleece, its true

Alan has been absent through all this, but I fully expect a man of his 'ability' to come out with an entirely credible explanation as to why he's been posing as a firearms officer/detective and advising UK officers for the last few years on kit, tactics and operational experiences.....not to mention his irish fire services forum posts, or his ambulance services posts, or his scanner frequency community forum posts or......I could go on.....

JonAnderton · 28-09-2008 10:38PM

metman wrote: »

Jon, I am a natural Poleece, its true

Alan has been absent through all this, but I fully expect a man of his 'ability' to come out with an entirely credible explanation as to why he's been posing as a firearms officer/detective and advising UK officers for the last few years on kit, tactics and operational experiences.....not to mention his irish fire services forum posts, or his ambulance services posts, or his scanner frequency community forum posts or......I could go on.....

Don't assume his lack of posting as a sign or admission of guilt... I mean, he might not be posting cos he's busy... on nights or something....

deadwood · 28-09-2008 10:40PM

JonAnderton wrote: »

Don't assume his lack of posting as a sign or admission of guilt... I mean, he might not be posting cos he's busy... on nights or something....

:D:D:D:D:D

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