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THE OFFICIAL AFTER HOURS RECCESION THREAD

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  • #122
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭cson


    IDA, no?

    EI is for foreign companies iirc from LC Business.


  • #123
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    cson wrote: »
    IDA, no?

    EI is for foreign companies iirc from LC Business.
    Other way around.

    BTW
    Raheen, Limerick is primarily home to Dell's European manufacturing operation, which was originally set up in 1990 with the official opening taking place in June 1991.
    Manufacturing

    Raw materials are delivered just in time through forty dock doors on one side of the building, manufactured in cells by teams and rigorously tested. The finished computers are then dispatched via another forty doors on the other side of the building, destined for direct delivery to customers' offices and homes throughout Europe, Middle East and Africa.
    The manufacturing process at Dell is ISO 9001: 2000 certified. The company has also gained ISO 14001 accreditation, the international standard for Environmental Management Systems (EMS and ISO OSAS 18001 (the international standard for occupational health and safety management). Dell is one of only eight Irish companies participating in the prestigious US health and safety recognition scheme - the Voluntary Protection programme.
    Other Functions

    However Limerick is also home to a number of key Dell European functions:
    • The EMEA Centre of Competency for Communications and Network Product Development
      • The Centre has R+D capability and will operate as a centre of competency for communications and network product development for use in Dell products worldwide. The team will also be responsible for the development of innovative software solutions to provide increased functionality and productivity in Dell's manufacturing sites worldwide.
    • The EMEA Applications Solution Centre,
      • A "proof of concept" laboratory where corporate customers from across EMEA can simulate complex networked applications on Dell server and storage equipment in advance of purchase.
      • Highly skilled consultants help customers design and road test optimum solutions for their business. Among the areas of focus are: System sizing and capacity testing
        Scalability
        Business continuity
        High availability computing
        High performance computing
    • The EMEA Enterprise Command Centre in Limerick
    This centralised base of operations provides high-level 24x7x365 support for server and storage customers in EMEA in addition to being a single point of accountability for Dell's global customers based in the EMEA. Relying on industry-leading technologies to provide real-time tracking of customer issues, technicians and service parts, the centre will also leverage live weather and news feeds to proactively identify and mitigate any potential delays in customer service. This centralised base of operation in Limerick enables Dell's technical support experts to visually track and manage service delivery from beginning to end while helping to reduce reaction time and customer down time during critical situations
    Dell operates the EMEA Focalpoint exhibition centre in Limerick where corporate customers can visit to see the Dell direct model at work, incorporating a factory tour, and have the opportunity to speak with management and engineering staff. The Focalpoint centre demonstrates Dell's direct-to-customer model.
    Dell's EMEA BPI team is led out of Limerick. Cross functional teams, consisting of employees at all levels, look at end-to-end repeatable processes with a view to improving the customer experience, eliminating waste, reducing cost, increasing efficiencies and removing low or non value add activities from employees. Joint BPI projects have been completed with key suppliers - the plan to partner with suppliers to introduce BPI into their companies to share best practice and associated productivity and cost benefits. A Lean community of practice has also been initiated with companies including IBM, Honeywell and Boston Scientific.
    Dell Limerick is also home to a number of centralised European accounting functions:
    • The EMEA Treasury Group who control all of Dell's bank accounts across the region - a significant cash management operation. The skill sets of this group include expert knowledge of foreign exchange; cash management, banking and systems expertise.
    • The EMEA Invoicing Group, which holds responsibility for for customer invoicing for twenty one countries across the region.

    The EMEA Service Operations Finance who provide accounting and business solutions support to Dell Services-related activities across the region. This group also manages the accounting, costing, profitability analysis and warranty accounting.


  • #124
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    Enterprise Ireland is like the Freemasons. To do business with them, you have to kick the fu*king door down and convince them you are up to the standard.

    What we need is some process to identify extremely quickly what people out there are are:

    (A) Risk takers,

    (B) Have a viable idea or concept that is marketable,

    (C) Can take advice and assistance and take responsibility for managing a growing business, can lead people and can help others to do the same.


  • #125
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭cson


    We need a lot more than just that.

    Policy changes across the board ftw.


  • #126
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    We don't need massive policy reform, we need mass mindset reform. To the point where people recognise that it's okay for your business to fail, about 70% do within 2 years. What's needed is a way to reduce that 70% failure rate.


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  • #127
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Right, I know you're a fianna failer and I know this is going to mean I'm never gonna get a drink off you in the Lodge ever but anyway...

    One of the reasons we are staring into the face of this awful mess is courtesy of the, to put it bluntly, shitehawking of successive governments. I don't blame them for not having the balls to change direction and make some major policy changes, the elections came around at bad times and being too radical might have lost the election and left Enda Kenny at the helm, which would arguably be worse.

    Having said that, there's just no alternative at the moment either.


  • #128
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    ninty9er wrote: »
    We don't need massive policy reform, we need mass mindset reform. To the point where people recognise that it's okay for your business to fail, about 70% do within 2 years. What's needed is a way to reduce that 70% failure rate.

    To be honest, we need to stop looking to the government for the answers. That's not where the answer is. You can't expect a group of raging p*ss ants, drunk on expenses, tax breaks and freebies to have the answers...

    The answers lie with us. I've a lot more to say about this but I'll save it for tomorrow...


  • #129
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    cson wrote: »
    Right, I know you're a fianna failer and I know this is going to mean I'm never gonna get a drink off you in the Lodge ever but anyway...

    One of the reasons we are staring into the face of this awful mess is courtesy of the, to put it bluntly, shitehawking of successive governments. I don't blame them for not having the balls to change direction and make some major policy changes, the elections came around at bad times and being too radical might have lost the election and left Enda Kenny at the helm, which would arguably be worse.

    Having said that, there's just no alternative at the moment either.

    Who is that comment at!?!?!


  • #130
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Who is that comment at!?!?!

    It's at me...you obviously have sigs turned off:D:D

    There is a role for government (who BTW haven't had tax breaks since the early 90s, and the freebies are taxed as gifts), but it's a facilitatory role rather than a leadership role. It's not government's place to be telling people what to work at, or what business they must set up; it's for people to come to government/ EI and say...this is my idea, I've done x,y and z. I can turnover m amount of money and employ e people by this time next year. I have c customers ready to deal with me....now give me €40k to match my €20k and the bank's €20k


  • #131
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    cson wrote: »
    Right, just to pull you up on this. Imo some of the minimum wage jobs you could work are the most demanding jobs in the country. Try working in Supermacs/Any fast food restaurant at 2am on a weekend night and tell me thats a low skilled job. The amount of bollocks you have to put up with is off the scale thanks to this countrys fondness for one more pint.
    You don't get paid so much on how hard your job is (unless you're talking about threatening life and limb) but on how much work you had to do to get that job. This is why doctors earn more than street sweepers. Anyway if you're working the redeye shift in supermacs you should be on unsociable hours overtime plus trimmings if its on the weekend. Not too shabby, really.

    I'm much more concerned that a person working minimum wage for a forty hour week makes basically the same as a person no the dole, after rent allowance, medical card and so on are taken into consideration.

    That doesn't give anyone much of an incentive to actually work.
    ninty9er wrote: »
    You know very well (you are a LACCY student after all and Donal Dineen or Tony Leddin will have told you) that less than 10% of the workforce is employed by multinationals.
    Its not just Dell, if the medical companies pulled out of Galway, the town would be erased overnight. We need to have something in place before we start to lose them, and we really need to hold on to them until then.
    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Enterprise Ireland is like the Freemasons. To do business with them, you have to kick the fu*king door down and convince them you are up to the standard.
    Hahah, not far from the truth. The problem is the beaurocracy runs the place, and are basically academics and public sector lifers who have zero knowledge of a real business environment, and zero desire to learn. Thats not to say they haven't had the odd success here and there, but thats more that they had to get lucky sooner or later.
    Darragh29 wrote: »
    To be honest, we need to stop looking to the government for the answers. That's not where the answer is. You can't expect a group of raging p*ss ants, drunk on expenses, tax breaks and freebies to have the answers...

    The answers lie with us.
    Funny thing is, we are the government. We elect them and they handle all of our money as our representatives. The electoral choices over the last few years were bad, bad ideas, so what we need to do now is replace them entirely. You cannot overhaul an entire economy without government assistance or supervision.


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  • #132
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    To be honest, we need to stop looking to the government for the answers. That's not where the answer is. You can't expect a group of raging p*ss ants, drunk on expenses, tax breaks and freebies to have the answers...

    The answers lie with us.

    Sure but how do you fund these new enterprises? The banks? It's incredibly difficult to get loans for starting up businesses from banks. We don't have a positive history of Venture Capitalists investing their own funds in these projects. Which means you may be looking at overseas investment (ala the two kids from Limerick). But we've seen what happens here. Who are our Venture Capitalists?

    What I WOULD try and encourage is the use of the half-filled IDA Business Parks around the country. Let Irish entreprenuers use these office spaces rent free to develop products and services.

    Also I have worked with EI and they do a lot of good work (the fact that they have reached the goals of their 3 year strategy - €3 billion in Irish exports is testament to that).

    The problem I see is that they are constrained by European Union rules in terms of funding regulations for indigenous industry.


  • #133
    TheDude2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭TheDude2008


    awwwwwwwww just got up its great being on the dole:D:D:D:D while all those stupid young professional idiots in there suits go to work, what a bunch of idiots thwy have sold themselves out.


  • #134
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    awwwwwwwww just got up its great being on the dole:D:D:D:D while all those stupid young professional idiots in there suits go to work, what a bunch of idiots thwy have sold themselves out.

    Its sunday. The suits are in bed after enjoying their weekend with their disposable income.


  • #135
    Pighead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    awwwwwwwww just got up its great being on the dole:D:D:D:D while all those stupid young professional idiots in there suits go to work, what a bunch of idiots thwy have sold themselves out.
    It's Sunday morning ya big eejit. All those "stupid young professional idiots" are most likely in bed relaxing. What are you having for breakfast? One dried up stale cream cracker again?


  • #136
    RxQueen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,821 ✭✭✭RxQueen


    Pighead wrote: »
    It's Sunday morning ya big eejit. All those "stupid young professional idiots" are most likely in bed relaxing. What are you having for breakfast? One dried up stale cream cracker again?

    hahaha way to tell him!!!:D


  • #137
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    TheDude2008 has been on the dole for so long, he's clearly lost track of the days of the week. His mammy must wake him up those mornings when he needs to sign on, or something.


  • #138
    TheDude2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭TheDude2008


    mmmm just had a nice fry actually pighead, 4 sausages, 3 black 3 white pudding, 3 slices of bacon, mushrooms and 2 waffles plus a nice class of orange juice and im now about to read the sunday tribune awww what a great life, will probaly visit a few mates later and we will go to the pub and get pissed for the day:D:D:D


  • #139
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    ninty9er wrote: »
    There is a role for government (who BTW haven't had tax breaks since the early 90s, and the freebies are taxed as gifts), but it's a facilitatory role rather than a leadership role. It's not government's place to be telling people what to work at, or what business they must set up; it's for people to come to government/ EI and say...this is my idea, I've done x,y and z. I can turnover m amount of money and employ e people by this time next year. I have c customers ready to deal with me....now give me €40k to match my €20k and the bank's €20k

    These c*nts are still living in a fairytale world where expenses on the job equals whatever they put on the expenses sheet!!! No receipts required, no oversight, whatever you're having yourself there Jack! They get a daily allowance for just turning up in Leinster House, on top of their salary!!! They'd know about as much about getting a business off the ground as the fu*king magical mobile Gene on the television here in front of me!!!


  • #140
    Pighead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    mmmm just had a nice fry actually pighead, 4 sausages, 3 black 3 white pudding, 3 slices of bacon, mushrooms and 2 waffles plus a nice class of orange juice and im now about to read the sunday tribune awww what a great life, will probaly visit a few mates later and we will go to the pub and get pissed for the day:D:D:D
    Good morning TheDude. Quick question for you. How come you are moving to Australia if you're so contented with your wonderful jobless life in Ireland? Can't be that good if you're not sticking around.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57315677#post57315677


  • #141
    greatgoal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭greatgoal


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    mmmm just had a nice fry actually pighead, 4 sausages, 3 black 3 white pudding, 3 slices of bacon, mushrooms and 2 waffles plus a nice class of orange juice and im now about to read the sunday tribune awww what a great life, will probaly visit a few mates later and we will go to the pub and get pissed for the day:D:D:D
    you fu**in wish.


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  • #142
    TheDude2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭TheDude2008


    oh no problem pighead, im going to aus because i have been there before and want to move there permantely, by the way pighead the reason i was taking the piss all along was because posters were jumping to conclusions about me , ive actually worked all my life and have worked in the canada for the last 2 years b4 i came back to ireland in feburary and since then i have been unable to get work as i work in construction related jobs, so in future fellow posters dont jump to conclusions when people say there on the dole as many tens of thousand are since the start of the year , im not lazy ive been looking for work for the last few months with no luck that is why im going to aus.


  • #143
    Acacia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    oh no problem pighead, im going to aus because i have been there before and want to move there permantely, by the way pighead the reason i was taking the piss all along was because posters were jumping to conclusions about me , ive actually worked all my life and have worked in the canada for the last 2 years b4 i came back to ireland in feburary and since then i have been unable to get work as i work in construction related jobs, so in future fellow posters dont jump to conclusions when people say there on the dole as many tens of thousand are since the start of the year , im not lazy ive been looking for work for the last few months with no luck that is why im going to aus.
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    When you make remarks such as ''I wouldn't work for 8.65 an hour, maybe twelve euros'' and give no indication that you're not working for no reason other than laziness/greed, you can hardly blame people for 'jumping to conclusions'. What did you hope to achieve by taking the piss? If you're so concerned about people on the dole being mis-represented why did you do your best to reinforce negative stereotypes about them?


  • #144
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    im not lazy ive been looking for work for the last few months with no luck that is why im going to aus.

    Good luck in Oz. Plenty of people at the RDS yesterday looking at leaving 'cos there is no construction or manufacturing work left for them here as well. Young families (I counted at least 25-30) priced out of things here as well.

    There will be more leaving after the full implications of the budget are known.


  • #145
    dotsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Good luck in Oz. Plenty of people at the RDS yesterday looking at leaving 'cos there is no construction or manufacturing work left for them here as well. Young families (I counted at least 25-30) priced out of things here as well.

    There will be more leaving after the full implications of the budget are known.

    Yip, but Oz is only just behind us. You must remember that this is a global crisis, and although effect different countries in different ways, all western countries are suffering one way or another from it.

    So although there may be a job for you in oz right now, you might find yourself having to move on again in a year or 2.


  • #146
    experiMental
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭experiMental


    The profits lie in Russia. I'm seriously considering to move there after graduation.


  • #147
    TheDude2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭TheDude2008


    I certainly would not work for 8.65 a hour of course this is what it nearly has been driven down to now by the race to the bottom on building sites.
    Question say your a young person who got layed off as lets say a engineer and you were earbing 50,000 a year, do u think that person would work for 8.65 a hour , who would as heck as like, but it seems ok for some people to suggest that people who have worked in building sites should work for that.


  • #148
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    I certainly would not work for 8.65 a hour of course this is what it nearly has been driven down to now by the race to the bottom on building sites.
    Question say your a young person who got layed off as lets say a engineer and you were earbing 50,000 a year, do u think that person would work for 8.65 a hour , who would as heck as like, but it seems ok for some people to suggest that people who have worked in building sites should work for that.

    better than being a ****ing leech.

    oh yeah, and people who brag about being on the dole are the biggest ****tards that exist.


  • #149
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    TheDude2008 wrote: »
    say your a young person who got layed off as lets say a engineer and you were earbing 50,000 a year, do u think that person would work for 8.65 a hour , who would as heck as like

    Beggers can't be choosers, if they have any sense in their heads they'll take whatever'll pay the bills. Just because they used to earn ?50,000 a year or whatever before they were laid off doesn't mean they're entitled to an easier ride, it's time to suck it up and earn your money.


  • #150
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Lara Dirty Grit wrote: »
    Beggers can't be choosers, if they have any sense in their heads they'll take whatever'll pay the bills. Just because they used to earn ?50,000 a year or whatever before they were laid off doesn't mean they're entitled to an easier ride, it's time to suck it up and earn your money.


    There's no lack of jobs, there's a lack of willingness to work alright. My neighbour wanted an extension plastered, went to an out of work plasterer and offered him €800 for 4 days work cash in hand. Even on a 10 hour day that's €20/hour. He was told where to go that it's be at least €2k.

    That's just taking the piss.


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  • #151
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    ninty9er wrote: »
    There's no lack of jobs, there's a lack of willingness to work alright. My neighbour wanted an extension plastered, went to an out of work plasterer and offered him €800 for 4 days work cash in hand. Even on a 10 hour day that's €20/hour. He was told where to go that it's be at least €2k.

    That's just taking the piss.

    It's just typical really.


    There's only a few honest to god builders out there, the rest are greedy ****s.

    We recently had to get a wall built. Guy came around telling us he'd do it for 6 GRAND...told him to **** off, he tried to bully all other builders out of the estate too when they came to do it.
    Eventually got the wall done by out of work guys for 600 euro. Result.(Oh, and they did a good job too ;) )


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