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65 Year Old Indian man uses Plane Toilet: FBI arrests him

  • 24-09-2008 10:53PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭


    [I am] a physician from India who immigrated to the United States 38 years ago and [has] been in private practice in South East Missouri for more than a quarter century.
    On June 26, 2008, I traveled from St Louis to Las Vegas to attend AAPI annual convention by Southwest flight 1226. Two hours into the flight, I tried to go to the bathroom ( I take a blood pressure medicine with diuretic that makes one 'go' more often). As I was sitting in row six, I walked to the front lavatory. The flight attendant, named Lora Lee Minton, abruptly stopped me and essentially shouted at me, "Go back! This bath room is occupied, and you cannot stand here."
    Shocked and dumbfounded at this unfriendly behavior, I went back and sat in my seat. Two minutes later, I saw the lavatory door opening and I got up and walked towards the bath room again. The same flight attendant (Lora Lee Minton) screamed at me, "I told you not to go to that bathroom," and started pushing me into my seat. I was totally confused at this erratic behavior, and told her that I had been taking medicine and I had to go to the toilet. I even tried to walk past Ms.Minton as I was very uncomfortable.
    "I told you not to go," she pushed me into my seat! I was lost. I flew many times but had never experienced a rude and unfriendly behavior like this. Confused and not knowing what to do, I went back and sat in my seat. I saw the pilot came out of the lavatory, walked into the cockpit and closed the door behind him. Later I could use the bathroom.
    The sequence of events that followed were more frightening and beyond the scope of any one's imagination. As the plane landed in Las Vegas , I was escorted by two police officers and was handed over to the FBI. The FBI interrogated me at length and for the first time, I was told that the flight attendant, Ms.Lora Lee Minton, reported that I was causing 'disturbance' during the flight. I was also told that when the pilot is out of the cockpit, no one is supposed get up from their seat, till the pilot goes back to his seat. This apparently is a federal law being enforced since 9/11 and no one ever told me, nor was it announced during the flight.
    That night I was taken through federal centers for further investigation. I was hand-cuffed, finger printed and was 'processed' as a common criminal. I was told repeatedly that my background was checked and I had no criminal record. Even after checking my back ground and even after confirming it by calling my family members (Our two children that live in St Louis and Houston, Texas ) and my professional partner (urologist from Poplar Bluff, Missouri ), I still had to go through the harassment. I was dragged through Federal court buildings that night with hand and ankle cuffs, left in cells for hours before I was interrogated and was threatened repeatedly with abusive language: 'Shut up,' 'I am going to kick your ass,' to name a few. Finally I was taken to a federal detention center in Las Vegas and was ushered into a large jail cell! I spent the night in jail with 43 prisoners - most of them drug dealers and picked up at street fights!
    The next day I went through processing in a federal court building and presented in front of a Federal Judge. The public defender told me that my 'case' was decided and I would be released if I pleaded guilty and paid a fine of $2,500. He also told me that I could refuse to plead guilty, contest the judgment and even could win, but could be taking a long time, cost more and might result in multiple trips to Las Vegas.
    Exhausted, depressed and completely deflated, I agreed to what ever the public defender suggested and got out after 24 hours of 'living hell'.
    I endured the most horrifying and traumatic 24-hours of my life for a crime I sincerely believe I did not commit. A simple statement by the flight attendant (Lora Lee Minton) in normal tone of voice that I was not supposed to wait in front of the toilet when it was occupied by the pilot, would have saved the ghastly ordeal.
    I was told repeatedly by the prison guards, some of the FBI officials (not all of them were rude), the prison inmates who heard my story that the reason I was targeted was because of my skin color (brown) and ethnic background (South Asian, Indian).
    When I returned home, I did not feel like lying flat and take the abuse, more so the incident involved not only me but an entire race and ethnic group. I sent my story to local, state and national news papers including all the major Indian news publications. The response was overwhelming: the news papers were very receptive; I received numerous e-mails, letters, phone-calls, sympathy and supportive cards; every one wanted me to 'fight-it-out' and 'not to keep quite and do nothing.'
    I did send my story to ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) of Missouri and Nevada , yet I haven't heard from them yet, though I was told that my experience had merit. I contacted attorneys locally as well as in St Louis and was told that they were looking for proper attorneys that specialize in civil liberties cases; I was told by some that I should not have pleaded guilty and should find eye-witnesses that would testify in my favor.
    During 30 years of my stay in America , I never felt so threatened nor my rights so violated as I did that fateful night. 'You are not guilty until proven otherwise', the anthem we are made to believe all the time was turned out to be not true; I was guilty until prove my self innocent. I was treated like a guilty person and was never given a chance even to tell my side of the story. Even after the incidence, I am finding it difficult to prove my innocence. I want Southwest Air Lines to realize their mistake and drop charges against me. I did contact Southwest airlines and was informed that they were standing by their stewardess and the issue had no racial profile or bias.

    Ironically, even before he filed his complaint with the Southwest Airlines officials, he got a letter from Frederick Taylor Jr, senior manager at the airline's customer service communications, offering a $100 voucher for a future flight.
    "Sometimes, an explanation for the reason why things happen is not always possible, and the bizarre behaviour of the individual during your June 26 flight to Las Vegas supports this point," Taylor said in a letter accompanying the voucher. "While I am unable to explain the circumstances surrounding the disruption, I think it is important to offer my heartfelt apologies for any concerns you may have had as a result of this event".
    "Naturally, we don't want this experience to affect your feelings about flying with us in the future, or for it to be your last recollection of traveling with our company. In fact we would consider it a privilege if you gave us another opportunity to provide you with better memories."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Have you a link to this story Overheal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    feckin americans eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭psycho8itch


    Ridiculous...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,815 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Jaysus! that's a fuckin' disgrace!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    This is why America is such a farcical country!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is why America is such a farcical country!!!!
    Yes wait what?
    1. Of or relating to farce.
    2.
    a. Resembling a farce; ludicrous.
    b. Ridiculously clumsy; absurd.

    Oh. Yeah.
    This is why America is such a fascist country!!!!

    No.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    That stewardess needs a kick up the arse! I'd seriously be considering some interrogation of my own, Jack Bauer style.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well we have her name, its only a matter of destroying it using the viral power of the internet.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    If that had been an indian stewardess and a overweight white 65yr old Texan passenger would everyone be so eager to believe the one side of the story they are reading ? That just doesnt ring true to me. Customer relations departments in america regularly throw vouchers around the place at the first hint of complaint. IF it (civil case) ever does go to court there is bound to be another side of the story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Morlar wrote: »
    If that had been an indian stewardess and a overweight white 65yr old Texan passenger would everyone be so eager to believe the one side of the story they are reading ?
    Of course not. But thats the entire point.

    Anyway this guy has plenty of Press Coverage now. If he's a fraud we'll know by Friday.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Morlar wrote: »
    If that had been an indian stewardess and a overweight white 65yr old Texan passenger would everyone be so eager to believe the one side of the story they are reading ?

    They wouldn't get the chance because the texan would have shot her with his 6 shooter and then put her head on his wall. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    To be fair I wouldnt let him babysit my fertilizer stockpile either with a face like that

    http://www.kneibertclinic.com/dar/madduri.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Skyuser


    In fairness he could have been a terrorist wanting to attack the pilot...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    True, but the stewardess could have handled it a little better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    America = Rascist!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    America = Rascist!
    A protestant says what?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    America = Rascist!
    You're a racialist!!!

    Ya big racialist


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Sh1t happens!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Miscarrages of justice happen the world round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭funk-you


    Overheal wrote: »
    A protestant says what?

    supercalofr​agulisticex​pialidociou​s?

    -Funk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    Overheal wrote: »
    A protestant says what?
    You're a racialist!!!

    Ya big racialist


    Is simple science guys!


    Nah joking!
    But what is true is that there are alot of angry young Americans posting comments on youtube with rascist tones. I cant believe they dont monitor that stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    "Brown people must stay in their seats for the duration of the the flight. Please keep hands visible to armed marshals at all times."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 271 ✭✭Rebeller


    kmart6 wrote: »
    This is why America is such a farcical country!!!!

    Unlike our own free and fair green isle :rolleyes::
    Concern over airport treatment of tourist

    TOURISM OFFICIALS expressed concern to the Department of Arts and Tourism earlier this year about the behaviour of immigration officers at ports of entry after an Indian man who won a trip to Ireland in a State-sponsored competition reported suffering harassment and racial discrimination at Dublin airport.

    He won the trip at an event organised by Tourism Ireland in Mumbai to promote Ireland as an attractive holiday destination.

    Newly released documents show the prizewinner wrote to Tourism Ireland on March 2nd to complain of his treatment at Dublin airport. He outlined how, despite his having the required tourist visa and carrying a letter from Tourism Ireland, immigration officers insisted they did not believe the letter was authentic.

    "[An officer] then asked us who had booked our hotel. We told him it was done by Thomas Cook in Bombay. He said that can't be possible as why would Ireland Tourism [sic] book through Thomas Cook as they were a British company. We didn't know what to say."

    He alleged many other Indian passengers were treated unfairly. "It was only the Indians who were being photographed at the immigration counter. It was clear-cut racial discrimination. Whole thing was very embarrassing."

    According to correspondence released to The Irish Times under Freedom of Information rules, Tourism Ireland responded to convey its "deep regret" to the prizewinner over his experience. "We are all very upset and embarrassed about the incident and will be taking it up at the highest levels with the Government department concerned . . ." the agency said.

    The following day, an official from Tourism Ireland sent an e-mail to a counterpart in the Department of Arts and Tourism. "Another shock story about immigration," he wrote. "We really need to do something about it. The friendliest destination in the world???"

    This was followed by a letter from Tourism Ireland chief executive Paul O'Toole to secretary general of the department Con Haugh. He pointed out that, in line with Government policy, the organisation was seeking to develop new markets in the Asia-Pacific region and warned of the need to be competitive.

    "A number of our partners and contacts have reported unfortunate instances when they or their clients have sought entry to Ireland, notwithstanding their belief that they had secured the necessary documentation," he wrote.

    Tourism Ireland regards India as one of the most promising developing markets and opened an office in Mumbai three years ago.

    Two months after the incident, in response to a parliamentary question by Fine Gael's Olivia Mitchell, then newly appointed Minister for Arts and Tourism Martin Cullen said he was "not aware of immigration policy being a significant concern to the tourism industry".

    Immigrant groups and representatives of the English-language education sector have regularly complained of the harsh treatment experienced by lawful foreign visitors at ports of entry.

    Earlier this month, a Nigerian Catholic priest who travelled to Ireland on a tourist visa was arrested at Dublin airport before being strip-searched and placed in a prison cell on suspicion of trying to enter the country illegally.

    © 2008 The Irish Times

    Source: Irish Times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    biko wrote: »
    "Brown people must stay in their seats for the duration of the the flight. Please keep hands visible to armed marshals at all times."

    Smoking and terrorism are strictly forbidden on all flights. We thank you for your cooperation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭Elem


    It's put in Americans heads too fear absolutely anyone of a colored 'race'... I'd say the woman was terrified when she saw the man approach her. She's only thinking one thing, she fears for her life. It will take America 100 years to get over 9/11.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Is simple science guys!


    Nah joking!
    But what is true is that there are alot of angry young Americans posting comments on youtube with rascist tones. I cant believe they dont monitor that stuff.
    So theres not a single non-american racist commentator on youtube? Your argument is a bit weak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    Overheal wrote: »
    So theres not a single non-american racist commentator on youtube? Your argument is a bit weak.

    Not a single one!

    America invented rascism back in the 50's as a way to pass the time prior to the vietnamese war which claimed the lives of over a dozen members of the newly formed 'rascists'.

    You know this people! Dont make me spell it out again! Educate yourselves!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 271 ✭✭Rebeller


    Security ordeal for Qantas boss

    SYDNEY, Australia (CNN) -- The female head of Australia's major air carrier was suspected of being a terrorist at a U.S. airport because a security guard refused to believe a woman could run an airline.

    Qantas Airways chairman Margaret Jackson has said she was detained and frisked at Los Angeles airport last year after a search revealed she was carrying aircraft diagrams in her briefcase.

    Jackson gave details of the incident at a media conference in Beijing, China on Tuesday, in response to a question over the strictness of security at Australian airports.

    She said her briefcase had contained detailed plans of a new aircraft, including cross-section diagrams showing seat layouts, Australian newspaper the Herald Sun newspaper reported Wednesday.

    "The guy said 'Why have you got all of this?'," she said.

    "And I said, 'I'm the chairman of an airline. I'm the chairman of Qantas'. And this black guy, who was, like, eight foot tall, said, 'But you're a woman'."

    After proving her identity, Jackson produced paper with her letterhead on it and wrote a note to the guard, whose name was Bill.

    "And I wrote, 'Dear Bill, this is from the chairman of Qantas, who is a woman'," the newspaper reported.

    Jackson was in China to promote direct flights between Sydney, Australia and Beijing.

    Source: CNN


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