Really rude bus drivers.

Ruen · 21-09-2008 12:47AM

"Section 19 (c)(Dublin Bus Bye-Laws) Any person found without a valid ticket on a vehicle by an authorised person shall pay the standard fare immediately upon the request of the authorised person or within the period of 21 days from the time the request is made and such fare may be recovered by the Company as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction."

So just pay what you've got and if they call you out on it when you get as far as you can or you're getting off after you're supposed to then you can pay them within 3 weeks and if they dont say anything then nothin to worry about.

@Gerald Icy Headboard, you're right that it's not a charity but they're not there to make a profit off you either, Dublin Bus is a public service so they have an obligation to accept passengers if it's the last bus and they havent got enough or any money so they can get home safe, it's part the company policy which drivers should be aware of as it's part of their training and it's in their employee handbooks. Obviously same rules apply to behaviour so if the person is causing a nuisance or being violent they dont have to take them, from OP's post he seemed to be reasonable enough

21-09-2008 12:53AM

@Gerald Icy Headboard, you're right that it's not a charity but they're not there to make a profit off you either, Dublin Bus is a public service so they have an obligation to accept passengers if it's the last bus and they havent got enough or any money so they can get home safe, it's part the company policy which drivers should be aware of as it's part of their training and it's in their employee handbooks. Obviously same rules apply to behaviour so if the person is causing a nuisance or being violent they dont have to take them, from OP's post he seemed to be reasonable enough

I wasn't aware of that at all. I don't think they have any obligation to take passengers who don't have the fare, last bus or not. Obviously it would be decent of them to do so, but I very much doubt they're obliged to do so and can be written up for doing otherwise. I'm not disagreeing that Dublin Bus is an awful ridiculous service - it's pathetic that buses finish at 11.30 in a capital city, except for a couple of Nitelinks at weekends that cost 5 euro or whatever it is. But that's a whole other topic.

utick · 21-09-2008 12:54AM

i-bloodhound wrote: »

I fear that this reasoning, as sound as it is, will be lost on the masses of AH.

yeah well my d1ck is bigger than yours, ask your ma if u dont believe me

30txsbzmcu2k9w · 21-09-2008 01:19AM

Ass Face wrote: »

How can bus drivers be ignorant? They don't even say anything, ever. You get on put money in the little box thing and tell them the fare you're paying, they press a button and that's the last you see of them till you get off.

As for your story, it serves you right for trying to hop on the bus with out paying the full fare. You probably should have been fined. If I were the bus driver I'd have called the Gardaí and you'd have spent a night in the cells. Only scumbags try to dodge paying the fare the way you did.

It does not serve him right and your post is complete nonsense- That bus driver sounds like a right wagon. for 30 fooking cent, what a c*nt. I remember staying in Amsterdam before a tram driver letting a load of people on without paying because he was afraid he was falling behind schedule. If public transport here concentrated a bit more on being on time rather than counting out there pennys and barking at passengers things might run a bit smoother.

krpc · 21-09-2008 01:29AM

He's a bus driver. If I was a bus driver I'd be pissed that my life went in that direction and I'd rightly take it out on everyone else

Do you see the scum they've to deal with everyday? I'd drive a bus full of them to the Dail and become a (bus) suicide bomber.

aidan24326 · 21-09-2008 02:16PM

i-bloodhound wrote: »

He's a bus driver. If I was a bus driver I'd be pissed that my life went in that direction and I'd rightly take it out on everyone else Do you see the scum they've to deal with everyday? I'd drive a bus full of them to the Dail and become a (bus) suicide bomber.

Taking out a busload of scum and the chancers in Leinster House? You'd die a hero my friend!

Red Alert · 21-09-2008 07:11PM

I think the OP had the wrong attitude with the bus driver. That said, I notice a lot of the female bus drivers aren't as a rule very friendly, though there's at least one who's always in good form. He should have offered to give his details and get a bill from CIE rather than making a scene when getting on.

peanuthead · 23-09-2008 12:20PM

Red Alert wrote: »

He should have offered to give his details and get a bill from CIE .

This is typical Irish attitude. All rules should be manipulated to suit people, and we moan when its not. Its the very thing we criticise the gardai for!!!!

I have been thrown off the bus after my shift ended on new years day one year because the fares technically went up to one euro, as opposed to 95c after midnight. It was kind of bad luck as the bus drivers usually use their discresion for the first few days, but I just got a toughie who wasnt prepared to let me on for the sake of 5c.

I did call and complain, and the guy on the phone said to me
"Would you go into the shop and try get a loaf of bread for 5c cheaper than it is?"
And he's right. We wouldnt do that so why do we expect special treatment on the bus?

Wagon · 23-09-2008 12:39PM

The only bus driver who was a complete **** was when I paid the minimun fare to go up the road. Literally up the road. It was always a euro. When me and the other half tried to get off, the ****er told us that we had underpaid, and he wouldn't let anyone else off until we went through our pockets for extra change. Fair enough if the fare went up (thanks for the information Dublin Bus v:mad:v), but there's no reason to stop others getting off as well. It's not their problem. Wanker.

MIN2511 · 23-09-2008 12:46PM

Captain Ginger wrote: »

Right well as a daily bus user I have noticed a lot of drivers to be decent enough, I get the odd one who doesn't bother saying "you're welcome" but besides that I have to say most are decent enough, but last night was a right shock to the system.

I was in town getting the 45 back to Bray at night and realized I'd left my wallet back in the bar, went through my pockets and found most of the bus fare I needed (needed 2 euro, had 1.70). So I put that in and tried to explain to the driver what had happened, most of the time and she was not happy, looked at me like I was dirt and told me to ask others for the rest.

Now I'm a bit of an intimidating guy in some ways, I have a good few piercings in my face and smelt of beer at this stage, so I asked a couple of people who ignored me (and to be honest I don't really blame them). So I'm getting off the bus and the driver stops me and starts giving me abuse. I'm mortified in frount of the others and I try to explain most of the time I end up having to put in too much anyway and explain why people at 12:00am on a bus try to ignore me asking for money due to my appearance in a feeble attempt to excuse myself while constantly saying sorry, she still won't have any of it so I try to make a light hearted recession joke, she then put on an extremely obvious fake laugh and mocked me openly in front of the others.

I got off and walked the rest home.

Now I know I am in the wrong here for not having my full fare, but at the same time I really don't think I should of been treated like that and would be half tempted to lodge a complaint. I was as polite as could be and was sober.

Any of you had a similar experience?

Funny thing is i would have given you the difference... this only sparks my thread i started yesterday. You were on the bus, why didn't anyone offer you 30cents?

Homer · 23-09-2008 01:04PM

I'd have charged you double.. Just for being Ginger? And made you sit down the back of the bus to boot!

Nehaxak · 23-09-2008 01:27PM

Think that was pretty shyte of the bus driver - I would've paid your fare for you if I'd been there, bit shyte also that nobody else on the bus offered.

jim o doom · 23-09-2008 01:37PM

peanuthead wrote: »

This is typical Irish attitude. All rules should be manipulated to suit people, and we moan when its not. Its the very thing we criticise the gardai for!!!!

I have been thrown off the bus after my shift ended on new years day one year because the fares technically went up to one euro, as opposed to 95c after midnight. It was kind of bad luck as the bus drivers usually use their discresion for the first few days, but I just got a toughie who wasnt prepared to let me on for the sake of 5c.

I did call and complain, and the guy on the phone said to me
"Would you go into the shop and try get a loaf of bread for 5c cheaper than it is?"
And he's right. We wouldnt do that so why do we expect special treatment on the bus?

That is completely off point - he mentioned that the bus driver ridiculed and mocked him in front of other passengers on the bus in his original post. He was not complaining about the amount less he paid, but the rude treatment from the driver, which was completely unacceptable.
You might not ask for bread 30c cheaper in a shop, but neither would you expect a shop keeper to openly mock you in front of other people - even if you did request something in that fashion.
In my situation, if a bus driver (or imaginary shop keeper) chose to mock me in front of a load of strangers, I would abuse them long and hard abour their questionable ancestry, how many siblings were involved in their genetic make up and a number of less funny & more offensive things on top. No stranger has a right to accost another person in public especially when they are supposedly "serving the public". But then again I get irate easily when I'm treated badly. Stories like this are the reason I don't get busses or trains anymore unless absolutely unavoidalbe. The busses are the pits.

Zangetsu · 23-09-2008 01:48PM

I got hit by the mirror of the bus I was flagging down, knocked me out for a min or two, when I came around I had a bus driver standing over me shouting "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING!" "Stop messing around at bus stops!".

Another time we were late for the bus and managed to just get there in time, another mate (not the fittest person in the world) was lagging behind so instead of asking the driver to wait we asked him to drive off when he's close to the door hehe, driver did it a few times and let him on.

Fookin hilarious :pac:

Mr. Presentable · 23-09-2008 02:09PM

Ruen wrote: »

"Section 19 (c)(Dublin Bus Bye-Laws) Any person found without a valid ticket on a vehicle by an authorised person shall pay the standard fare immediately upon the request of the authorised person or within the period of 21 days from the time the request is made and such fare may be recovered by the Company as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction."

So just pay what you've got and if they call you out on it when you get as far as you can or you're getting off after you're supposed to then you can pay them within 3 weeks and if they dont say anything then nothin to worry about.

Next time you're on a bus check what the standard fare on the notice is. It's about €40.00 iirc

Johnny Utah · 23-09-2008 02:14PM

That was pretty nasty of the bus driver. If she wanted to strictly enforce the rules, then she could have dropped him off at the stop which 1.70 euro covered and let him walk the rest of the way. Why did she then have to insult him as well?

MIN2511 · 23-09-2008 03:00PM

Homer wrote: »

I'd have charged you double.. Just for being Ginger? And made you sit down the back of the bus to boot!

He's not ginger!:D

peanuthead · 23-09-2008 04:01PM

jim o doom wrote: »

That is completely off point - he mentioned that the bus driver ridiculed and mocked him in front of other passengers on the bus in his original post. He was not complaining about the amount less he paid, but the rude treatment from the driver, which was completely unacceptable.
You might not ask for bread 30c cheaper in a shop, but neither would you expect a shop keeper to openly mock you in front of other people - even if you did request something in that fashion.
In my situation, if a bus driver (or imaginary shop keeper) chose to mock me in front of a load of strangers, I would abuse them long and hard abour their questionable ancestry, how many siblings were involved in their genetic make up and a number of less funny & more offensive things on top. No stranger has a right to accost another person in public especially when they are supposedly "serving the public". But then again I get irate easily when I'm treated badly. Stories like this are the reason I don't get busses or trains anymore unless absolutely unavoidalbe. The busses are the pits.

I completely agree with you, I too have had my fair share of horrible people, not just bus drivers, who think that they can belittle you for no reason at all. And I agree that it is disgraceful to speak like that to somebody, especially when you work in the public sector.
However, my post was regarding this:

Red Alert wrote: »

I think the OP had the wrong attitude with the bus driver. That said, I notice a lot of the female bus drivers aren't as a rule very friendly, though there's at least one who's always in good form. He should have offered to give his details and get a bill from CIE rather than making a scene when getting on.

I cannot understand why Irish people expect rules to be bent for them all the time. CIE do not issue bills, thats not how they work!!

Turd Ferguson · 23-09-2008 04:13PM

In Soviet Russia, bus driver drives you

jim o doom · 23-09-2008 04:17PM

peanuthead wrote: »

I completely agree with you, I too have had my fair share of horrible people, not just bus drivers, who think that they can belittle you for no reason at all. And I agree that it is disgraceful to speak like that to somebody, especially when you work in the public sector.
However, my post was regarding this:

I cannot understand why Irish people expect rules to be bent for them all the time. CIE do not issue bills, thats not how they work!!

That is fairly true; but when you take into account the fact that Dublin Bus will not provide you with change, despite the fact that many of the fares they offer have uneven amounts with 5c or 15c & expect the public to trek to an office in town to get the change they legally deserve.
You pay 2 euro for a 1.15 fare & most people never go back for it, some poor sod like the OP is a few cents short, most likely on a run where everyone else paid too much & the bus driver sits there giving the poor punt a load of abuse? I'd have been kicking that plexiglass door down to get at the driver.

"Thats not how they work" ? They don't work - the staff are generally either rude or indifferent ( I can live with indifferent but not rude ) - the quality of the busses is disgusting, they uniformly smell bad and are disgusting (admittedly due to passengers but that is beside the point) - the busses are rarely on time & the experience on a whole is a trial. Thank sweet jesus for fast japanese motorcycles.

cocoa · 23-09-2008 04:22PM

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

In Soviet Russia, bus driver drives you

no! That's not a valid russion reversal!

In Soviet Russia, bus driver is mocked and abused by you!

or possibly...

In Soviet Russia, bus drives you

peanuthead · 23-09-2008 04:33PM

jim o doom wrote: »

"Thats not how they work" ? They don't work

HAHA, I like that!

Okay yes that is true, it costs nothing to be nice! (Not even 30c!!).
But I know Id be as miserable as them if it were my job too.

Some bus drivers are nice, but I think there is such low morale among the majority of them, nobody gives a sh1t!! I know I wouldnt

Turd Ferguson · 23-09-2008 04:37PM

cocoa wrote: »

In Soviet Russia, bus drives you

I was going to post that but added the driver at the last second...
russian fail

Red Alert · 23-09-2008 04:59PM

peanuthead wrote: »

This is typical Irish attitude. All rules should be manipulated to suit people, and we moan when its not. Its the very thing we criticise the gardai for!!!!

I have been thrown off the bus after my shift ended on new years day one year because the fares technically went up to one euro, as opposed to 95c after midnight. It was kind of bad luck as the bus drivers usually use their discresion for the first few days, but I just got a toughie who wasnt prepared to let me on for the sake of 5c.

I did call and complain, and the guy on the phone said to me
"Would you go into the shop and try get a loaf of bread for 5c cheaper than it is?"
And he's right. We wouldnt do that so why do we expect special treatment on the bus?

I didn't say it was a way to get off the fare - CIE at least used to do this officially, but then I suppose people back then were honest. I've absolutely no time for people who don't pay their fare, as my posts over in commuting and transport would show.

marti101 · 23-09-2008 05:03PM

I was on the bus today and i pressed the button to get off but because i had a pram and bags i let a few people off in front of me.By this time the bus driver had driven off and i was left standing there and i made a point of pressing the button really harda nd for ages coming to the next stop.I said i wanted to get off the last stop and he said he didnt know that.But he was just so ignorant it really annoyed me.

Dinter · 23-09-2008 05:06PM

I'd have no problem with those fukin change tickets if you could redeem them in more places than the city centre. I've never redeemed any of them.

It would be cool if you could swap them for prepaid tickets in newsagents.

cocoa · 23-09-2008 05:07PM

marti101 wrote: »

I was on the bus today and i pressed the button to get off but because i had a pram and bags i let a few people off in front of me.By this time the bus driver had driven off and i was left standing there and i made a point of pressing the button really harda nd for ages coming to the next stop.I said i wanted to get off the last stop and he said he didnt know that.But he was just so ignorant it really annoyed me.

not quite sure I follow that one... Personally, if I'm ever in danger of being carried a stop too far I'll shout, and drivers usually stop and wait for me to get to the front... Can't see how ringing the bell over and over again might have helped your case if he honestly didn't see you, which can happen...

Really rude bus drivers.

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