Gracie jiujitsu

Nothingcompares · 14-09-2008 08:53PM #1

http://www.graciecombativesireland.com/

Anyone familiar with this? Just wondering who is taking the classes etc.?

Found the website by seeing a google ad here.

wayne1 · 14-09-2008 09:09PM

I saw that a few weeks ago kevin on gracie jiujitsu site , there is a irish mobile number give it a ring

spiral · 14-09-2008 09:11PM

http://www.gracieacademy.com/locations.html#IRE

Nothingcompares · 14-09-2008 09:17PM

i might give him a call tomorrow and organise a private. only 115 euro for a 45 min class within walking distance of harcourt street. bargain.

Roper · 14-09-2008 09:43PM

I see Krav Maga has run it's course then.

Kev · 14-09-2008 10:41PM

You can see who is running it by watching the video here http://www.gracieacademy.com/instructorprogram.htm

Mikel · 14-09-2008 10:55PM

Jesus H Christ!!
A 10 day course and now a bjj instructor?
I suppose if you spout enough bullsh1t about learning effectively in weekend courses you begin to believe it yourself. :rolleyes:

I suppose it reveals what most here thought about these one day overpriced exploitative seminars to have been true all along...........

Nothingcompares · 14-09-2008 11:17PM

Ah Patrick Cumisky of Krav Maga Fame is teaching the classes.

cletus · 14-09-2008 11:44PM

i think this is the stripped down versio of gjj. you only learn a small number of techniques, and you can't grade anybody, I think i remember reading on bullshido that you have to bring in a gracie bb every 6mths or year. basically they were questioning whether this was bullshido or not.

Either way he's not a gjj instructor, but a gjj combatives instructor, which is probably around about blue belt level???

***edit*** ere's the thread for anybody who may be interested

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61440&highlight=gracie+combatives

Mikel · 15-09-2008 12:07AM

cletus wrote: »

Either way he's not a gjj instructor, but a gjj combatives instructor, which is probably around about blue belt level??

I'd say there's a few blue belts who might have something to say about that.
The Gracies are even more shameless shills than I thought

"Fight research shows that the 34 Gracie Combatives™ techniques are responsible for more street fight victories than all other Gracie or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu techniques combined."

At the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy, a blue belt is awarded to anyone who perfects their understanding and execution of the Gracie Combatives techniques. Since you will be licensed to offer the complete Gracie Combatives course to your students, you will be authorized to promote them up to fourth degree white belt level. Up to two (2) times per year you can arrange to have a Gracie Academy Head Instructor visit your training center to evaluate all fourth degree white belt holders and award blue belts to those who qualify.

Jesus wept!

15-09-2008 12:08AM

Gracie Combatives: Although Gracie Jiu-Jitsu consists of over 600 individual techniques, studies of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu practitioners in real fights have definitively proven that only 36 specific techniques were needed to achieve victory in 95% of all cases. The Gracie Combatives course was developed by Rorion Gracie and is based entirely on these 36 essential techniques and is consequently designed to prepare any individual for real combat in less time than any other course in history. The techniques of the Gracie Combatives course have been officially adopted by the U.S. Army, Navy Seals, F.B.I., Secret Service and countless local law enforcement agencies. The effectiveness of the techniques and the unparalelled structure of the curriculum have made Gracie Combatives the most popular and most important course offered at the Gracie Academy headquarters in Torrance, California.

I wonder what the 36 techniques are?

Nothingcompares · 15-09-2008 12:22AM

Although I've been sarcastic in this thread I'm not actually trying to knock PC or GJJ Combatives. Like I would suspect that the 36 techniques the participants get taught are presented very well with a lot of attention to the details. And I would presume they'll get shown how to do drills and I hope the importance of rolling/randori/sparring is also instilled in the trainee coaches. My issue really relates to the marketing, the price and the value of short but intensive courses.

The Gracie academy presents its self as the authority on GJJ/BJJ and that every other school is inferior and every other martial art is inferior. They seem to claim that all other BJJ schools are just sports jiujitsu clubs which don't accommodate the notion of reality or self defense or "the street". But a lot of BJJ schools are also MMA schools so the comments the British guy (sasha) makes about the difference trying to do jiujitsu against a guy trying to punch you in the face isn't all that significant. A lot of BJJ guys train under these conditions.

My next little gripe is with the price. I couldn't find out how much the courses cost but I'd speculate they're in the 2000-5000 dollar range. Of course, it's not my business to tell other people how much to charge and how much to pay for goods and services they receive but it's clear to me the Gracie Combatives course is equally about profit and spreading Gracie propaganda. Personally speaking, I much prefer to deal with people that supply a good or service because that's what they do, that's what they are, being a plumber/doctor/ice cream man was their vocation. This is as opposed to a guy that realized at the age of 30 he wasn't really as rich as he wanted to be he's investing in pyramid schemes and life coaching courses and martials arts courses and new gyms that use weird equipment so they can charge people foolish enough to spend the money massive prices as they prey on people's fears and doubts.

Finally I suppose it's simply the nature of intensive short courses themselves that I don't condone. Yes I'm sure after completing this course and you paid attention and you have good memory, retention and coaching skills you could remember exactly how you were shown the techniques and be able to repeat them faithfully in a demonstration to complete beginners. But having no actual experience in the alive environment of grappling/rolling/jiujitsu how will you be able to answer questions you haven't heard the Gracie already answer or give advice to your students in regard to individual game plans and strategy. AFter doing this course I can't see the coach/instructor being anything more than a real-life instructional DVD. Therefore the classes will simply consist of warm-up, teacher demonstrates a technique, students copy technique, and then warm done go home. This isn't alive training, this isn't effective and it isn't conductive to improvement. It's traditional martial arts training at it's worse.

So that's why I'm convinced the Gracie combatives course is simply a method of dumb people taxation and of the Gracie infiltration into the martial arts schools. I genuinely feel the Karates and the Kung Fus are at risk of extinction. Perhaps I'm just mad.

For those not bothered reading ^

This course is basically profiteering.
THe techniques are perfectly valid but will only produce cardboard cut out coaches.
Tradional martial arts schools are at risk.

Nothingcompares · 15-09-2008 12:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder what the 36 techniques are?

I reckon the gogoplata is definitely one.

judomick · 15-09-2008 08:17AM

thats a disgrace....

dasmoose · 15-09-2008 12:45PM

I signed up to get the email:

Dear Mark
Thank you for your interest in our Gracie Jiu Jitsu training.
In the late 1920 Grand Master Helio Gracie created Gracie or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu after he realised that he
was too frail to utilize the traditional Japanese techniques.
The techniques of Gracie Jiu Jitsu are based on precise timing and effective use of leverage so that virtually
anyone can do it , man or woman, regardless of their size or athletic capability
Although Gracie Jiu Jitsu consists of over 600 techniques, studies of fights conducted by members of
the Gracie Academy have shown that 36 techniques have been used more often and the greater success
than all the other techniques combined.
Soon after these studies were conducted the Gracie's' realised that the fastest way too effectively prepare
any new student to defend themselves against larger untrained opponent was to initially focus entirely
on teaching them the 36 essential techniques.
This realisation led to the birth of the Gracie Combatives course. The techniques featured in this course
have been adopted by the US ARMY, Navy Seals , Secret Service , FBI and countless other law enforcement agencies around the world.
To develop the ability to protect yourself using Gracie Jiu Jitsu, simply

Step 1 Learn the Techniques
The 36 Gracie Combatives moves have been strategically divided into 23 one hour classes so that
you can complete the course at your own pace.
Each lesson is taught using the using unique Gracie teaching methods so that no previous experience is
required to participate in any of the 23 lessons.
As a result you can complete them in any order. Upon enrolling you be issues with a combative card on
which all your progress will be tracked and each month you will receive a combatives card on which all your progress will be tracked.
Each month you will receive a Combatives Calendar that outlines which techniques will be taught in each lesson throughout the month.
The is also a special accelerated monthly review class where all techniques practiced in the month are reviewed again.
Step 2 Develop your Reflexes
Once you complete each of the 23 Gracie combatives classes twice you will qualify to participate in the Reflex Development Classes.
In these classes you will learn to execute all 36 techniques in every possible combination by carefully designed Fight Simulation Drills.
Once you master all techniques in the context the Fight Simulation Drills you will be considered 'Street Ready'
Earn Your Blue Belt
One you have completed the Gracie Combatives lesson a third time and master the 36 techniques in the context of the
Reflex Development classes you will be considered for the promotion to the coveted Gracie Jiu Jitsu Blue belt.

Join the master Cycle
One you have received your blue belt, you Will be capable of defending yourself on the street.
Now you can continue your journey to Black Belt .You can find our more about the Gracie
Jiu Jitsu history and the training programme at www.GracieAcademy.com

Location
Our dedicated training area is with matted area, changing rooms and shower is located in just 5 minutes walk from Harcourt street.
.
Course Fee
The course is designed for you to complete it in your own time. Combative Classes take place Mon/Tues/Thursday 7-8.
Class fees are paid by monthly by standing order

Number of Classes a month Details Monthly Fee
4 Once a week €65
8 Twice a week €90
12 Three times a week €120
Accellerated Development Programme This allows allows unlimited attendance at classes and attendance monthly 4 hour accelerated development class where we revise all moves learned during the month €145

Private classes are also available as follows. Prices are as follows
Classes last 45 minutes and can be scheduled to suit your time.
Number of Classes Fee
Single Class
€115
5 Classes €525
10 Classes €950
23 Classes (full cycle) €1995

How to Join
Your first class is free, this allows you come along try out the class to see if its right for you.
If you wish to join up you pay for the first month's class by cash, cheque or credit card. You then setup a standing order to pay your fee on a monthly basis.
You can also pay for the entire year in advance and receive a free months training and a free one hour private class.
To ensure the quality of our training and to make sure we can give you our full attention on our first night
we limit the number of people who can start in a week to 4.
Our free class trials are fully booked for the next 4 weeks. The next available starting date is Sept 1

To reserve you free class you must simply call Patrick on 087 239 03 98 or send a mail to info@GracieCombativesIreland.com.
I look forward to seeing you at our training centre.

Best Wishes
Patrick
PS Our FREE class offers are filling faster and faster so make sure you Call Patrick n 0872390398 or send a mail to reserve your place now.

spiral · 15-09-2008 12:49PM

Absolute bargain:pac:

dlofnep · 15-09-2008 01:03PM

The lad involved is in this video (Patrick Cumisky). You study it over the course of 10 whole days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coIaRX4tX1Y

Clive · 15-09-2008 01:41PM

Can somebody get these blue belts to enter the Irish Open please.

Nothingcompares · 15-09-2008 02:07PM

Are they blue belt tested after the intensive course?

dlofnep · 15-09-2008 03:42PM

AFAIK, it's not a blue belt, but a Gracie Combatives blue belt? Basically, ebay belt.

It's saddening that it's all come down to the almighty buck. I've no problem with people doing a 10 day intensive course, but nothing beats time on the mat. I wouldn't like to be instructed by someone with 10 days of instruction.

"I've never taught jiu-jitsu, or never trained jiu-jitsu before."

10 days later, he's going to be instructing? Surely something is wrong here. I'm not knocking the fella, but I just don't feel that he could instruct Gracie Jiu-Jitsu to any sort of competency. There is one fella there who is a BJJ brown belt. Imagine the difference in instruction between him and that Irish lad. yet they are both supposed to be instructing the same thing?

cowzerp · 15-09-2008 03:46PM

Money talks..

Kev · 15-09-2008 03:54PM

AFAIK, it's not a blue belt, but a Gracie Combatives blue belt? Basically, ebay belt.

It says on the website its a "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" blue belt and all it takes is 69 hours of training

Once you complete each of the Gracie Combatives lesson a third time and you master the 36 techniques in the context of the Reflex Development Classes, you will be considered for promotion to Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Blue Belt!

cowzerp · 15-09-2008 03:59PM

Kev wrote: »

It says on the website its a "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" blue belt and all it takes is 69 hours of training

how many hours!(dollars) for my black belt? JK will be shaking in his boots!!

dlofnep · 15-09-2008 04:00PM

cowzerp wrote: »

how many dollars for my black belt?

I fixed it for you

spiral · 15-09-2008 04:02PM

it says you will be considered but it doesent say what they will consider you

ryoishin · 15-09-2008 04:06PM

They got some stick for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFK7wxxIjeU

Gorman · 15-09-2008 04:25PM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

i might give him a call tomorrow and organise a private. only 115 euro for a 45 min class within walking distance of harcourt street. bargain.

Is that for real? I really feel sorry for anyone that would pay that much money for a private with someone whose only BJJ experiance is a 10 day course. And because the Gracie name is attached, there are plenty of people who would assume they are getting Rickson, Royler & Royce quality instruction.

This is a major cash grab for everyone involved

Nothingcompares · 15-09-2008 04:29PM

but he's part of the Gracie family now.

dlofnep · 15-09-2008 05:45PM

Where does it say its 115 euro for 45 mins?

Nothingcompares · 15-09-2008 06:27PM

the email dasmoose quoted has prices

SorGan · 15-09-2008 06:32PM

115 euro for 45 mins private class.
65 euro for 4 classes.

Step 1 Learn the Techniques

The 36 Gracie Combatives moves have been strategically divided into 23 one hour classes so that
you can complete the course at your own pace.

Each lesson is taught using the using unique Gracie teaching methods so that no previous experience is
required to participate in any of the 23 lessons.

As a result you can complete them in any order. Upon enrolling you be issues with a combative card on
which all your progress will be tracked and each month you will receive a combatives card on which all your progress will be tracked.

Each month you will receive a Combatives Calendar that outlines which techniques will be taught in each lesson throughout the month.
The is also a special accelerated monthly review class where all techniques practiced in the month are reviewed again.

Step 2 Develop your Reflexes

Once you complete each of the 23 Gracie combatives classes twice you will qualify to participate in the Reflex Development Classes.
In these classes you will learn to execute all 36 techniques in every possible combination by carefully designed Fight Simulation Drills.

Once you master all techniques in the context the Fight Simulation Drills you will be considered 'Street Ready'

Earn Your Blue Belt

One you have completed the Gracie Combatives lesson a third time and master the 36 techniques in the context of the
Reflex Development classes you will be considered for the promotion to the coveted Gracie Jiu Jitsu Blue belt.

Join the master Cycle

One you have received your blue belt, you Will be capable of defending yourself on the street.

Now you can continue your journey to Black Belt .

i was emailed.:)

Gracie jiujitsu

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