Chernobyl scene?

walshb · 05-09-2008 09:12AM #1

Did anyone happen to see the Chernobyl programme last night?

What was the necessity for RTE to show a young child being tied down to
have his tonsils removed without anaesthetic?

Was it to shock us?

I just thought it was all a little too perverse for TV..and Adi Roche and the build up to this horrific scene! I just don't understand the need to actually inflict it upon people

05-09-2008 02:15PM

Was the part were they strapped the child to the chair not shocking enough for you !!!! :rolleyes:

What part did you not get

, it was to open people's eyes and make them fully aware of the barbarism that goes on over there to this day since the accident.

r3nu4l · 05-09-2008 02:24PM

Well until we saw images of starving babies dying and vultures standing around them waiting for them to die, in Africa, we did nothing about it. Then we saw news reports, then we saw Bob Geldof saying "we need your ****in' money". Only then did we act. Only when we saw the pictures, not when we heard radio reports or when we saw reporters saying "The pictures are so terrible, we can't show you!" Visual stimulus, promotes action.

Admittedly, most of the aid seems to have had **** all effect but perhaps if people know the true extent of barbaric (but necessary) practice over there they will finally say "This has to stop!" and do what's necessary.

The_Minister · 05-09-2008 02:42PM

This probably shouldn't be funny, but it is.
When I was looking down the Soc listings, I misread this thread as being in the Lesbian&Gay&Bisexual forum.
I didn't know what was going on!:D

*Cough*
And Chernobyl is of course, very sad.

April Raine · 06-09-2008 11:17PM

i have read claims that the childrens holiday in ireland does not have an effect they allegedly claim of 'reversing' the illness or improving the childrens health. I cannot recall where

The_Minister · 07-09-2008 03:05AM

I wouldn't be surprised.

One of the great things about being a charity is that you get away with anything.

walshb · 07-09-2008 10:58AM

hellboy99 wrote: »

Was the part were they strapped the child to the chair not shocking enough for you !!!! :rolleyes:

What part did you not get , it was to open people's eyes and make them fully aware of the barbarism that goes on over there to this day since the accident.

It was disgusting and I thought completely unnecessary. This is the 21st century and Belarus is part of the former Soviet Union. Was what they showed really necessary. It was actual barbarism for the sake of it. Could someone not have simply intervened and said NO, we'll find some way out of this without resorting to strapping a child down and forcibly removing their tonsils. I also was suspect of the actual lead up. It seemed almost staged. It wasn't natural and I think this was done to really shock and disgust!.

It really is no different than watching bloody snuff films That poor child would have suffered less had he been shot in the head. All I am saying is that the actual showing of such cruelty and barbarism against a child was wrong and should not have been allowed. Perverse actually!

Is Adi Roche really all that charitable and merciful, after all, she sat there and watched this
sickening act and actually talked it up.

And where were all those Russian billionaires with their gas and oil and football companies?

Surely there's someone in the whole of the Former Soviet Union who could have
done something for these people and not leave it to the good old Irish to solve their woes!

I didn't see the whole programme and never found out if the removal of the tonsils was an actual necessity. Did the childs life depend on this removal, because if not, why the f*** do such a horrific thing to a child!

Well, Adi's shock scene obviously worked. I just read that a hospital in Cork I think, have donated an
80,000 Euro anaesthetic machine. Brilliant isn't it? So why would the Belarusians even bother to sort this out when the Irish are taking over. I am just waiting to read in the near future how operations in Cork have been cancelled due to the lack of these machines and funding!

Green Hornet · 07-09-2008 11:29AM

I happened to flick it on as they were going to the operation in the car. I could not believe what I was seeing. Difficult to express how horrific it was if you did not see it.

To be fair to the doctor he was very efficient. The entire operation was completed in a matter of a minute or two, although to the poor child it seemed like an eternity.

I hope that the operation was necessary. Nobody should ever have to experience anything like that.

I guess the reason they showed it was to let people see how things work over there. It certainly opened my eyes. Reading about it is one thing but seeing it is another.

Surely an oxygen machine wouldn't cost that much and the child would have been out long enough to get the operation completed.

walshb · 07-09-2008 11:39AM

Green Hornet wrote: »

I happened to flick it on as they were going to the operation in the car. I could not believe what I was seeing. Difficult to express how horrific it was if you did not see it.

To be fair to the doctor he was very efficient. The entire operation was completed in a matter of a minute or two, although to the poor child it seemed like an eternity.

I hope that the operation was necessary. Nobody should ever have to experience anything like that.

I guess the reason they showed it was to let people see how things work over there. It certainly opened my eyes. Reading about it is one thing but seeing it is another.

Surely an oxygen machine wouldn't cost that much and the child would have been out long enough to get the operation completed.

This is my whole point. I just don't think it was necessary in the 21st century to be watching this or for this to be happening; and I know full well the situation in Chernobyl and all the suffering etc. I would still like to know how this disgusting OP was necessary if the childs life didn't depend on it there and then!. Nothing excuses what happened unless the child was going to die pretty soon.

I'm damn sure an oxygen machine or proper equipment wouldn't be all that much. I wonder if Roman Abramovich knows about this, and could he maybe donate some of his billions to help out. Then again, why should he when the Irish are saving Belarus. This problem is a Belarusian problem and needs to be managed and sorted by their people; and I hope they do, so other children do not have to suffer needlessly like that poor child!

Green Hornet · 07-09-2008 12:23PM

I dont think I could have stood by watching that if I was in the room. The poor child had no idea what was going on. Even the little questions about why he was being tied to the chair, the cover over his eyes. Christ, it was horrific.

walshb · 07-09-2008 12:37PM

Green Hornet wrote: »

I dont think I could have stood by watching that if I was in the room. The poor child had no idea what was going on. Even the little questions about why he was being tied to the chair, the cover over his eyes. Christ, it was horrific.

Nor could I, and I do believe that this wasn't necessary, only necessary to shock and disgust and highlight a charities quest for funds and publicity! Unfortunately, that child paid a high price for this crap!

With all the power and money and wealth in the whole Soviet Union, and all their history etc, and we are subjected to this sick s***:rolleyes:

They may be fooling a lot of people with this 'inevitable and necessary' horror, but not me!

siochain · 10-09-2008 08:25PM

in fairness I had turn off for that part.

Having been on trips before with another charity the conditions in the county are appalling. I was delight to see the program been aired. Hopefully it brings more awareness and funding.

siochain · 10-09-2008 08:27PM

walshb wrote: »

Nor could I, and I do believe that this wasn't necessary, only necessary to shock and disgust and highlight a charities quest for funds and publicity! Unfortunately, that child paid a high price for this crap!

So the child only had the operation for the program?

walshb · 10-09-2008 08:40PM

siochain wrote: »

So the child only had the operation for the program?

Yes!, it seems so. Nobody ever mentioned that this child absolutely needed such a routine and 'simple' operation and it absolutely had to be carried out without anaesthetic.

Did you know that days after the programme aired, an Irish charity sent over a machine?

So why not wait for the machine and then do the 'life saving' OP?:rolleyes:

It just doesn't add up! Something wasn't real and natural about the whole scene.
That's the feeling I got watching it, well I didn't leave it on for the actual barbaric part; but was told about it

walshb · 10-09-2008 08:41PM

siochain wrote: »

in fairness I had turn off for that part.

Having been on trips before with another charity the conditions in the county are appalling. I was delight to see the program been aired. Hopefully it brings more awareness and funding.

Funding from whom?

The Irish?

Why can't the Russian empire buy a few of these machines.

caff · 10-09-2008 08:45PM

If they interviened and did stop the kid having to have his tonsil removed what would that accomplish? Kids get tonsils removed all the time, it would just happen again the next day would it not. By showing the day to day reality it makes people aware of what happens in the world around them, it certainly shocked you did it not? It worked didn't it, before you couldn't have known about it. What good would it have done if they just showed a kid, told you they were removing his tonsils without anesthetic and then let the camera move away and turn back after the op? I don't think you would have had the same reaction. Not much would have changed and that hopsital might not have donated the machine. As for the rich russians helping out, it hasn't happened so far and I doubt they will change their attitudes becuase you posted on boards. The unfortunate reality is that "shocking" scenes are needed, they can be thought of as "shocking" in the sense that "ooh noes they are trying to play on our emotions to get our monies!" .. I think though they are shocking because this is what daily life is like for some people. We have it pretty good here and don't want to have to think of problems in other countries. Let those rich neighbours the russians help them instead, I don't want to hear about it or see what happens. Thats not a great arguement against showing these images.

walshb · 10-09-2008 09:32PM

caff wrote: »

If they interviened and did stop the kid having to have his tonsil removed what would that accomplish? Kids get tonsils removed all the time, it would just happen again the next day would it not. By showing the day to day reality it makes people aware of what happens in the world around them, it certainly shocked you did it not? It worked didn't it, before you couldn't have known about it. What good would it have done if they just showed a kid, told you they were removing his tonsils without anesthetic and then let the camera move away and turn back after the op? I don't think you would have had the same reaction. Not much would have changed and that hopsital might not have donated the machine. As for the rich russians helping out, it hasn't happened so far and I doubt they will change their attitudes becuase you posted on boards. The unfortunate reality is that "shocking" scenes are needed, they can be thought of as "shocking" in the sense that "ooh noes they are trying to play on our emotions to get our monies!" .. I think though they are shocking because this is what daily life is like for some people. We have it pretty good here and don't want to have to think of problems in other countries. Let those rich neighbours the russians help them instead, I don't want to hear about it or see what happens. Thats not a great arguement against showing these images.

I'm full aware of the horrors in the world and there are far worse than even what happened to that child. That's not my point. My point was that it was NOT a necessity for the child to have to go through with that pain and horror. That is what I am questioning here. The images did not shock me, they disgusted me and annoyed me. There's a difference. The reasons they annoyed me were for what I have previously stated.

Do you not find it a bit odd that days later, and this machine arrives in Belarus, and the publicity machine is rolling.
Why the urgent need to display and commit such a heinous act on a child for this?

Then days later again and Adi Roche is in the news urging the Irish
government to try and force the Belarusian authorities to allow children
to ravel to Ireland!

siochain · 11-09-2008 07:25AM

walshb wrote: »

Yes!, it seems so. Nobody ever mentioned that this child absolutely needed such a routine and 'simple' operation and it absolutely had to be carried out without anaesthetic.

They did mention that in the medical center this was a routine operation and they mention a figure which I can can’t recall for sure but it was 10 plus of these operations take place a day. I don’t believe for one minute this was staged. Yes you are right they never mentions ‘it absolutely had to be carried out without anaesthetic’ but in Belarus things are done very differently, its like the are stuck in a time warp when it comes to care for people and not just kids the elderly are serious neglected also. The point was also these procedures are always carried out without anaesthetic.

walshb wrote: »

Did you know that days after the programme aired, an Irish charity sent over a machine?

So why not wait for the machine and then do the 'life saving' OP?:rolleyes:

Whats your point here. The machine went out because of the program or RTE knew that the machine coming out and should have asked the doctor hold off?

walshb wrote: »

It just doesn't add up! Something wasn't real and natural about the whole scene.
That's the feeling I got watching it, well I didn't leave it on for the actual barbaric part; but was told about it

Well walshb, I can honestly say that this program is only the tips of the iceberg with the levels of poverty and neglect in Belarus. My only criticism of the program is that it only focused on kids. The institutions that these kids go onto in there mid teens can only be described as hell. I have seen with my own eye’s the level of neglect for the elderly in this country. What you seen with the poor kid is wide spread in terms of how the carry out operations.

walshb wrote: »

Funding from whom?
The Irish?
Why can't the Russian empire buy a few of these machines.

In case you didn’t notice while Belarus is tied politically to Russia they are not part of Russia. And yes funding by the Irish, thankfully the Irish are a generous nation not just with their money but also with their time and skills.

walshb wrote: »

Then days later again and Adi Roche is in the news urging the Irish
government to try and force the Belarusian authorities to allow children
to ravel to Ireland!

Can’t say what date the program was made but the are appealing because the Belarusian government since mid August has banned all kids trips out due to this http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080815/NEWS/808150349&title=Belarus_bans_children_s_trips

If your doubt the motives and work of these charities why don’t you go a see for yourself and its doesn’t have to be with Aid Roche your could also go with http://www.samaritanspurse.ie/WhatWeDo/WhereWeWork/Belarus.php. I can guarantee it will be a life changing experience for you.

Its take lot less effort to stay at home behind a computer and make assumptions and pick holes in something you really have no idea about.

walshb · 11-09-2008 03:00PM

siochain wrote: »

They did mention that in the medical center this was a routine operation and they mention a figure which I can can’t recall for sure but it was 10 plus of these operations take place a day. I don’t believe for one minute this was staged. Yes you are right they never mentions ‘it absolutely had to be carried out without anaesthetic’ but in Belarus things are done very differently, its like the are stuck in a time warp when it comes to care for people and not just kids the elderly are serious neglected also. The point was also these procedures are always carried out without anaesthetic.

Whats your point here. The machine went out because of the program or RTE knew that the machine coming out and should have asked the doctor hold off?

Well walshb, I can honestly say that this program is only the tips of the iceberg with the levels of poverty and neglect in Belarus. My only criticism of the program is that it only focused on kids. The institutions that these kids go onto in there mid teens can only be described as hell. I have seen with my own eye’s the level of neglect for the elderly in this country. What you seen with the poor kid is wide spread in terms of how the carry out operations.

In case you didn’t notice while Belarus is tied politically to Russia they are not part of Russia. And yes funding by the Irish, thankfully the Irish are a generous nation not just with their money but also with their time and skills.

Can’t say what date the program was made but the are appealing because the Belarusian government since mid August has banned all kids trips out due to this http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080815/NEWS/808150349&title=Belarus_bans_children_s_trips

If your doubt the motives and work of these charities why don’t you go a see for yourself and its doesn’t have to be with Aid Roche your could also go with http://www.samaritanspurse.ie/WhatWeDo/WhereWeWork/Belarus.php. I can guarantee it will be a life changing experience for you.

Its take lot less effort to stay at home behind a computer and make assumptions and pick holes in something you really have no idea about.

What charity work has Adi Roche carried out in Ireland?

Politically tied to Russia, not tied to Russia?. Russia is its closest ally and they have a deep deep history etc. But as long as The Irish keep interfering, why should Russia bother!

siochain · 11-09-2008 05:48PM

walshb wrote: »

What charity work has Adi Roche carried out in Ireland?

No idea and your point is what in relation to the TV program?

walshb wrote: »

Politically tied to Russia, not tied to Russia?. Russia is its closest ally and they have a deep deep history etc. But as long as The Irish keep interfering, why should Russia bother!

I really don't think so, the neglect is as bad in some regions of Russia. The Irish are not the only one's, German send a lot of aid workers too.

walshb wrote: »

Did you know that days after the programme aired, an Irish charity sent over a machine?

So why not wait for the machine and then do the 'life saving' OP?

Any way back on topic and my previous question -

Whats your point here. The machine went out because of the program or RTE knew that the machine was coming out and should have asked the doctor hold off?

siochain · 11-09-2008 05:55PM

walshb wrote: »

I just thought it was all a little too perverse for TV..and Adi Roche and the build up to this horrific scene! I just don't understand the need to actually inflict it upon people

RTE gave a warning to all viewers before the program and I don't know how this is inflicted on anyone as its very easy to switch over.

All I'll say is fair play Adi Roche of making a difference in the lives of others less fortunate that us.

baileyjackson · 11-07-2009 07:42PM

Adi is a fame whore. I think she knew exactly what she was doing when she allowed that to be aired. But..... fame whoring aside, she has done wonders for the people in her care.

I just feel that she needs to stop lying and exaggerating the situation in Belarus. I have been there many times, to many towns and many institutions,and i never saw anything like she claims goes on on a daily basis

11-07-2009 08:53PM

April Raine wrote: »

i have read claims that the childrens holiday in ireland does not have an effect they allegedly claim of 'reversing' the illness or improving the childrens health. I cannot recall where

Of course not, it's nonsense.

Chernobyl scene?

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