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Obesity as a disease? Really?

  • 03-09-2008 10:53PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭


    Im watching CNN and im after hearing this woman talk about obesity, and she seems to claim its a disease, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    I'm sorry, what?

    I guess they didnt notice the sharp increase in obesity when the internet, television and just about every other excuse not to get off your ass came into being. Suddenly its a disease.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 302 ✭✭Lobster


    Overheal wrote: »
    Im watching CNN and im after hearing this woman talk about obesity, and she seems to claim its a disease, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    I'm sorry, what?

    I guess they didnt notice the sharp increase in obesity when the internet, television and just about every other excuse not to get off your ass came into being. Suddenly its a disease.
    My thoughts exactly a few weeks ago when someone mentioned that on a program on about the worlds heaviest woman. :confused:


  • Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CNN aren't they the channel that had crayon based evidence of WOMD.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,722 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I blame global warming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭trout


    I ate all the pies :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Overheal wrote: »
    Im watching CNN and im after hearing this woman talk about obesity, and she seems to claim its a disease, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Let me guess, she was as big as a blimp right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It's always somebodys else's fault...


  • Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    trout wrote: »
    I ate all the pies :o

    Not when I'm around you won't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭connundrum


    Disease doesn't seem like the right word at all.

    Illness might be a better way describe the inability to stop eating.. oh noes wait. There is a word for that already - greed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    biko wrote: »
    It's always somebodys else's fault...
    thats really the heart of the issue methinks.

    So what if I have a belly and man bewbs (albeit baby ones) - Its not as if that plate of chicken launched off of the side portion of rice and crawled down my mouth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭ChewChew


    There's too many factors that contribute to obesity that I suppose there has to be an overall term given to it. I dont agree the term 'disease' is the right one. maybe 'condition' is better. cancer, mrsa and tb (amongst millions more) are diseases. obesity. nope.


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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,722 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Overheal wrote: »
    thats really the heart of the issue methinks.

    So what if I have a belly and man bewbs (albeit baby ones) - Its not as if that plate of chicken launched off of the side portion of rice and crawled down my mouth.

    For this, you can blame osmosis! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭ChewChew


    biko wrote: »
    It's always somebodys else's fault...

    That's not particularly true. obesity is not 100% down to people overeating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I agree it's nearly always due to consuming excess calories, but people should bear in mind there are a lot of psychological factors at play when it comes to why people eat so much. It's not always as simple as pure greed - food can be as much of an emotional crutch as any drug.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Its not as if that plate of chicken launched off of the side portion of rice and crawled down my mouth.
    That's pretty healthy food - especially if the chicken is skinless and grilled, and the rice is wholegrain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Ross_Mahon


    Genetic, medical, or psychiatric illness are the only excuses, Other than that...its will power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Its not a disease, fatties always cling to that as a last line of defense, trying hitting the gym more and maybe dropping the fork. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,446 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    It's not a disease but there is defo more to it than greed.

    This was on the BBC website recently:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7525347.stm
    Children carrying the first gene that has been clearly linked to obesity find it harder than others to tell when they are full, London-based researchers say.

    They studied over 3,000 children to see whether the FTO gene impacts on the ability to burn calories or appetite.

    The researchers found those with copies of the gene's risky variant were less likely to have their appetite "switched off" when they should be full.

    The study is published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism.

    FTO is the first common gene to be linked to obesity in Caucasian populations.

    Previous studies have shown that adults with two copies of the higher risk version of the gene are on average 3kg (6lb 10oz) heavier, and those with a single copy are on average 1.5kg heavier, than those without the gene. We are looking at a thousand-piece jigsaw and we have shown how the first two pieces fit together

    The researchers, from University College London and the Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London, set out to learn more about the way the gene works.

    They tested whether children aged eight to 11 carrying the higher risk gene variation had an altered appetite through height, weight and waist circumference measurements, and a questionnaire which asked parents about their child's eating habits.

    They found that children with the higher risk version of the gene tended to overeat and to struggle to recognise when they were full.

    The effect of the gene on appetite was the same regardless of age, sex, socio-economic background and body mass index.

    Prof Jane Wardle explains the research into FTO and obesity
    Lead researcher Professor Jane Wardle said: "It is not simply the case that people who carry the risky variant of this gene automatically become overweight, but they are more susceptible to overeating.

    "This makes them significantly more vulnerable to the modern environment which confronts all of us with large portion sizes and limitless opportunities to eat."

    However, Professor Wardle said the effect of the gene in isolation was relatively small.

    She said it was likely that many genes contributed to obesity and appetite, each making a small contribution, but together creating a substantial effect.

    Dr David Haslam, clinical director of the National Obesity Forum, said the research was "very interesting".

    However, he said: "We are looking at a thousand-piece jigsaw and we have shown how the first two pieces fit together.

    "It is a step in the right direction, but what we don't want to say is 'we have got the gene for obesity, therefore we can cure it' - that is not going to happen for many years to come."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dudess wrote: »
    That's pretty healthy food - especially if the chicken is skinless and grilled, and the rice is wholegrain.
    Ma'am, I don't think you're at all familiar with The South :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Fried chicken and stodgy rice? Massive portions? That'd do it...


  • Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is a new study linking mens cheating hearts to a rogue gene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    We're all DOOOMED...... oh noes....

    We seem to have completely lost the ability to accept responsibility for our actions these days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭LightningBolt


    ChewChew wrote: »
    That's not particularly true. obesity is not 100% down to people overeating.

    I'd imagine it's about 90% though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Bros123


    I can't believe no ones posted this yet!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlbtDcXDDNk



    CLASSIC!!:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    It's not a disease but there is defo more to it than greed.

    This was on the BBC website recently:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7525347.stm

    ZOMFG! 3kg heavier! That explains why I'm 126kg instead of 123kg, I knew it wasn't my fault!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    sounds like fat americans blaming anyone else for their problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rhinocharge


    Whether it is obesity, single mums, gambling, alcoholism, drug abuse, racism or emotional state there always seems to be a group at the receiving end.

    Is it their fault, possibly. Are children obese because of the child or the parent? Before you judge, live their life style for 24 hrs.

    Disease or not whom knows?

    Each person has an infliction, you can see the obese person because it shows, but the person sitting beside you on the bus may be a psychotic manic.

    Me, I'm both. Call me fat, I'll slit your throat, BBQ your carcass & eat the evidence. You've been warned!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Show me one fat person that can't be 'cured' by eating healthily and doing a bit of exercise... it's something that's 100% within their control. Even the people with "glandular problems" don't have the excuse to be as fat as many people are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Well they call alcoholism a disease but nobody is forcing an alcoholic to drink constantly.

    Why give disease status to alcoholism and not obesity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    i dont give disease status to computer game addiction either - that doesnt mean some extremist whackjobs with degrees dont.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    B-b-b-but it is a disease because Wikipedia says so! And Wikipedia's NEVER wrong:
    Obesity is a disease in which excess body fat has accumulated to such an extent that health may be negatively affected.

    Anyway, while laziness and terrible diet are obviously the main causes, I don't think it's fair to say that people are responsible 100% of the time. There are some rare genetic causes. And then there are binge-eating disorders.


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