Christy Moore query/observation

podge3 · 21-08-2008 01:16PM #1

Did Crusty stop pronouncing his "th"s as he got older?

i.e. 1981 - this, that, these and those:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je6-tRz9TPY

2004 - dis, dat, dese and dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hwMrjfyDrg

Michael Collins · 21-08-2008 03:08PM

I don't know. But what i do know is Little Musgrave is an excellent song and Christy performs it so well dese days and back den too.

podge3 · 21-08-2008 06:46PM

It certainly is an excellent song and much better than the Matty Groves version.

Crusty is vastly over-rated IMHO, though.

Michael Collins · 21-08-2008 07:28PM

podge3 wrote: »

Crusty is vastly over-rated IMHO, though.

Ah why? He's the ultimate folk singer, even though I wouldn't like to pin him in any catagory. Take that Little Musgrave clip from the Vicar Street gig, he puts everything into it, the way he closes his eyes and lives every moment. I've never been to a bad Christy gig, and I've been to quite a few!

podge3 · 21-08-2008 07:48PM

Michael Collins wrote: »

Ah why?

I'm not saying he is a bad singer/performer but he does not deserve the god-like status that some people give him - IMHO, of course

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For example, Little Musgrave on his box set is sang by someone else (probably from Planxty?) and sounds much better than Christy himself.

Mucri · 21-08-2008 07:50PM

Michael Collins wrote: »

I don't know. But what i do know is Little Musgrave is an excellent song and Christy performs it so well dese days and back den too.

...true!

Michael Collins · 21-08-2008 08:25PM

podge3 wrote: »

For example, Little Musgrave on his box set is sang by someone else (probably from Planxty?) and sounds much better than Christy himself.

That is Christy! Just a younger version of him, his voice was quite different back then.

podge3 · 21-08-2008 09:33PM

Michael Collins wrote: »

That is Christy! Just a younger version of him, his voice was quite different back then.

OMG! Is that really him

. He sounds sooooo different :eek:. Had his voice broken?

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This is the version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtjQrlag9s

His "th"s were even better in those days.

Oh well, thats exhausted what I thought I knew about Crusty.

podge3 · 21-08-2008 09:37PM

Don't like this version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNjIzVWBdI

His guitar playing is excellent but the words are all out of kilter.

Michael Collins · 21-08-2008 10:28PM

Wow, you do know a lot of versions of that song!

His guitar playing is very nice. Not too fond of that version either but if I'd heard that one first who knows, I'd say it could grow on me.

That version you have is Christy alright, no mistake. He sang like that on his first few albums, that particular version is from his eponymously titled album.

Have you heard Nic Jones singing this? That's my second favourite after Planxty in the Point 2004 or Planxty at Vicar Street CD - which is different from the DVD actually, the CD version is slightly better, but you'd only notice if you're a real Christy fan :P

podge3 · 21-08-2008 10:47PM

Michael Collins wrote: »

Wow, you do know a lot of versions of that song!

I only heard it for the first time on Sunday

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Someone gave me Christys Box Set ages ago but I only played it for the first time on Sunday. As I'm not really a Christy fan, it was more "background" music.

However when that song came on, the melody really got into my head. I couldn't stop humming it. When I checked out the background to the song I was really hooked. Its absolutely fantastic - love, lust, betrayal, murder etc. And its from 400 years ago.

You could write a film around that song. Its just goes to show how empty some of the sh!te that passes for music nowadays is.

So, anyhoo, I found lots of versions of the song when I went looking. But my favourite is the first one I heard - and its Christy!!. I thought it must have been a guest singer or something. Doesn't sound a bit like him.

Have you hear the Fairport version of the song - well, its another song written around the same old story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6PMJMQlb8A

I haven't heard the Nic Jones version.

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