Emergency doors on planes...

bug · 20-08-2008 11:06PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Not all crashes are on water though always important to count the number of seats in front and behind you to an exit.

Very good! Must remember that!

Actually come to think of it, most of the recent near misses and accidents I recall in the media have happened near the runway.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:07PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Not all crashes are on water though always important to count the number of seats in front and behind you to an exit.

Clap Clap.

If you are lucky enough to survive the impact the cabin will most likely be filled with smoke, counting the rows will assist in your exit in the dark. Failing that just head for the massive hole in the fuselage.

20-08-2008 11:09PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Explain how vetting would have helped todays victims? Do people sitting close to the door in a car crash manage to get out quickly?

200 mph, ladened with fuel, 200ft drop, cop on.

Theres a good girl.

In an unplanned emergency like today's crash, it didn't matter, no time for anybody to do anything!
If something happened at 10,000m and the aircraft "glided" to a safe spot to do an emergency landing, then having the right people sitting near the exits can save lives!

Ricky91t · 20-08-2008 11:10PM

Fajitas! wrote: »

I always go for the emergency seat - I'm 6 foot 4, so it helps a lot.

Im the exact same as that if iv got a choice id happily sit there and wouldn't put other peoples lives at risk cause im nervous or scared
If i dont sit there my knees end up getting pressed against the seat infront of me and when the idiot there decided its time to recline i get very annoyed

20-08-2008 11:13PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Clap Clap.

If you are lucky enough to survive the impact the cabin will most likely be filled with smoke, counting the rows will assist in your exit in the dark. Failing that just head for the massive hole in the fuselage.

If you do up your seatbelt properly*, you have a chance of being conscious and actually getting up & out.

*sit upright and pull it tight the G forces at impact are greater than those of a car crash!

bug · 20-08-2008 11:15PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Explain how vetting would have helped todays victims? Do people sitting close to the door in a car crash manage to get out quickly?

200 mph, ladened with fuel, 200ft drop, cop on.

Theres a good girl.

How can you compare a car crash to a plane crash.. in any way..

What are you, Aircrash investigation?

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In an unplanned emergency like today's crash, it didn't matter, no time for anybody to do anything!
If something happened at 10,000m and the aircraft "glided" to a safe spot to do an emergency landing, then having the right people sitting near the exits can save lives!

Just how many deaths have been recorded when an aircraft has made an emergency landing and the 'wrong' people have been sitting near the exits?

'Would you all mind sitting down until this 'right' people opens the door for us all to exit safely please'

FFS the majority of people won't even sit whilst a plane taxis or sits at it's stand with the doors unopened, what chance is there that the 'right' people won't be swamped with 'wrong' people when lives are in danger.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:21PM

bug wrote: »

How can you compare a car crash to a plane crash.. in any way..

Oh look it's the end a sentence with two periods poster.

20-08-2008 11:23PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

'Would you all mind sitting down until this 'right' people opens the door for us all to exit safely please'

"tracy" can be very authorative, when she needs to be,
"GET BACK IN YOUR SEATS, NOW!!" if the one sitting next to the door is unwilling to help; they soon get shifted!

bug · 20-08-2008 11:24PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Oh look it's the end a sentence with two periods poster.

Ok, so I'll rephrase the question for you.

What makes you think you can compare a car crash to a plane crash in any way?

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

"GET BACK IN YOUR SEATS, NOW!!" if the one sitting next to the door is unwilling to help they soon get shifted!

'Throw the door out the opening please sir'

Just as the door gets tossed back upon the baying mob.

The only thing that will be going out the 'window' is logic and the first guy sitting there.

OPENROAD · 20-08-2008 11:26PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Just how many deaths have been recorded when an aircraft has made an emergency landing and the 'wrong' people have been sitting near the exits?

Well actually the type of passenger can make a difference, remember seeing a programme of two very similar incidents some years ago one was primarily made up of people off on holiday the other consisted primarily of frequent business travellers, lot more people goy out in the second incident.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:29PM

bug wrote: »

What makes you think you can compare a car crash to a plane crash in any way?

Having seen a plane crash into a car and not knowing who was to blame I've since referred to the incident as a plane crash on one hand, and a car crash on the other hand. Depends what mood takes me. Regardless of what I as a mere mortal call it they are comparative.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:32PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Well actually the type of passenger can make a difference, remember seeing a programme of two very similar incidents some years ago one was primarily made up of people off on holiday the other consisted primarily of frequent business travellers, lot more people goy out in the second incident.

I remember the same, t'was a BA business flight if memory serves me correctly where the plane was evacuated quite efficiently.

Do you think all this division and sub division of types who may sit at the emergency exits will add to the cost of our flights? Surely all the decision making by the airline staff will only add to costs.

I'd rather take my chances.

20-08-2008 11:33PM

I remember seeing a sticker on the rear window of a car which said "I'd rather be flying", the car had a crumpled front wing.

Someone had added to the sticker, "I bet you're glad you wern't".

bug · 20-08-2008 11:35PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Having seen a plane crash into a car and not knowing who was to blame I've since referred to the incident as a plane crash on one hand, and a car crash on the other hand. Depends what mood takes me. Regardless of what I as a mere mortal call it they are comparative.

Bluetonic wrote: »

Explain how vetting would have helped todays victims? Do people sitting close to the door in a car crash manage to get out quickly?.

I'm sorry I didn't realise we were talking about a collision which involved a car and a plane. I didn't think you were either from you're post above. But however, you've witness it and I haven't.

And don't diss the dots.

meathstevie · 20-08-2008 11:35PM

For a starters look at the safety briefing card. It actually tells you in a couple of simple pictures how to pop the door. Rotate one lever/handle and put in a good shove is basicly the procedure. Any able bodied person should be well capable of doing this given that the fuselage or frame of the plane isn't too badly deformed on impact. These things are designed with the average person in mind, you don't have to be an SAS trooper to be able to open those doors.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:35PM

Really the flying is fine, it's the crashing you need to worry about.

20-08-2008 11:36PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Do you think all this division and sub division of types who may sit at the emergency exits will add to the cost of our flights? Surely all the decision making by the airline staff will only add to costs.

I believe that it's a simple look by the check-in staff as to whether the person looks "suitable" to sit there (no mobility problems, children etc), if in doubt place them elsewhere on the plane.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:37PM

Those people look like their having a great time on the safety briefing card. Very multicultural they are too.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

OPENROAD · 20-08-2008 11:40PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

I remember the same, t'was a BA business flight if memory serves me correctly where the plane was evacuated quite efficiently.

Do you think all this division and sub division of types who may sit at the emergency exits will add to the cost of our flights? Surely all the decision making by the airline staff will only add to costs.

I'd rather take my chances.

The only division that you will ever have imo is based on age.i.e old and young children and those with a disability, I was surprised to read an earlier post saying she was moved because she was a woman.

If your number is up it is up imo, that said even though I fly regularly I still continue to watch the safety demos and I still count the number of seats in front and behind me to an exit.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe that it's a simple look by the check-in staff as to whether the person looks "suitable" to sit there (no mobility problems, children etc), if in doubt place them elsewhere on the plane.

Quite easy for someone to be suitable at check in and after a few hours in the bar be unsuitable, or become unsuitable mid flight.

20-08-2008 11:45PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Quite easy for someone to be suitable at check in and after a few hours in the bar be unsuitable, or become unsuitable mid flight.

There's only so much you can do to reduce the risks involved in a planned emergency.

Bluetonic · 20-08-2008 11:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There's only so much you can do to reduce the risks involved in a planned emergency.

Whats the chance a suitable person is more likely to make them self unsuitable before the flight and less capable than a previously deemed unsuitable person who under the current circumstances is more suitable than the now unsuitable person?

20-08-2008 11:58PM

Bluetonic wrote: »

Whats the chance a suitable person is more likely to make them self unsuitable before the flight and less capable than a previously deemed unsuitable person who under the current circumstances is more suitable than the now unsuitable person?

The old fat wan with the gammy leg and stiff joints will remain the same and still be unsuitable, while the "suitable" person who is presumed drunk (despite limits on what passingers are allowed to drink on board) just gets passed over for someone else, simple.

cooperguy · 21-08-2008 12:01AM

Ciaran500 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditching#Survivial_Rates_of_Passenger_Plane_Water_Ditchings

All those examples were of propeller planes except 2, one of which was the example I gave. I did say Jet powered:) Maybe there was a couple more I was'nt aware of though

21-08-2008 12:07AM

cooperguy wrote: »

All those examples were of propeller planes except 2, one of which was the example I gave. I did say Jet powered:) Maybe there was a couple more I was'nt aware of though

Airspeed at impact makes all the difference! even if the seas smooth and a shallow glide is successfully done, the risk of breaking up is still huge.

cooperguy · 21-08-2008 12:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Airspeed at impact makes all the difference! even if the seas smooth and a shallow glide is successfully done, the risk of breaking up is still huge.

Exactly and jet engines are extremely fast and welded to the side of basically a coke can with feck all structural integrity, just enough to hold itself together and deal with turbulence. They are designed to fly not to crash. The only bit built like a tank is where the wings attach to the plane because that is whereall the stress is concentrated

randylonghorn · 21-08-2008 05:08AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

How'd you know that they might want a good slapping? Some of these people turn into super-heroes in a crisis, whilst the previously calm looking ones fill their gussets with abject fear.

Actually, I've seen that happen (in a different context).

Mr WibbleWobble wrote: »

tbh I had you down for a chunky

No offence, Mr WibbleWobble, but you inadvertently gave me a good laugh there!

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Look everybody who flies is tall and has long legs, everybody wants the emergency exit row.

True, but she actually is. Think really long beanpole!

Tbh, assuming for the moment that the situation made it practicable to use the emergency doors, I would imagine a cool head would be the most important factor, and it's very hard to assess that on the ground.

Sure, it would be foolish to put an arthritic elderly person, or an obese person, or a mother with baby in that seat ... but I would trust a calm fit grandfather to do what was necessary a hell of a lot quicker than I would trust a friend of mine, despite the fact that he is an ultra-fit strong rugby player.

There's something about the fact that he nearly has a heart attack if the plane hits the slightest bit of turbulence which would give me cause for concern ... :rolleyes:

ART6 · 21-08-2008 07:54AM

I always look for a seat at the back of the aircraft as I've never heard of one reversing into anything.

Emergency doors on planes...

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