Emergency doors on planes...

OPENROAD wrote: »

Not all crashes are on water though always important to count the number of seats in front and behind you to an exit.

Very good! Must remember that!

Actually come to think of it, most of the recent near misses and accidents I recall in the media have happened near the runway.

OPENROAD wrote: »

Not all crashes are on water though always important to count the number of seats in front and behind you to an exit.

Clap Clap.

If you are lucky enough to survive the impact the cabin will most likely be filled with smoke, counting the rows will assist in your exit in the dark. Failing that just head for the massive hole in the fuselage.

Bluetonic wrote: »

Explain how vetting would have helped todays victims? Do people sitting close to the door in a car crash manage to get out quickly?

200 mph, ladened with fuel, 200ft drop, cop on.

Theres a good girl.

In an unplanned emergency like today's crash, it didn't matter, no time for anybody to do anything!
If something happened at 10,000m and the aircraft "glided" to a safe spot to do an emergency landing, then having the right people sitting near the exits can save lives!

Ricky91t

Fajitas! wrote: »

I always go for the emergency seat - I'm 6 foot 4, so it helps a lot.

Im the exact same as that if iv got a choice id happily sit there and wouldn't put other peoples lives at risk cause im nervous or scared
If i dont sit there my knees end up getting pressed against the seat infront of me and when the idiot there decided its time to recline i get very annoyed

Bluetonic wrote: »

Clap Clap.

If you are lucky enough to survive the impact the cabin will most likely be filled with smoke, counting the rows will assist in your exit in the dark. Failing that just head for the massive hole in the fuselage.

If you do up your seatbelt properly*, you have a chance of being conscious and actually getting up & out.

*sit upright and pull it tight the G forces at impact are greater than those of a car crash!

Bluetonic wrote: »

Explain how vetting would have helped todays victims? Do people sitting close to the door in a car crash manage to get out quickly?

200 mph, ladened with fuel, 200ft drop, cop on.

Theres a good girl.

How can you compare a car crash to a plane crash.. in any way..

What are you, Aircrash investigation?

Deleted User wrote: »

In an unplanned emergency like today's crash, it didn't matter, no time for anybody to do anything!
If something happened at 10,000m and the aircraft "glided" to a safe spot to do an emergency landing, then having the right people sitting near the exits can save lives!

Just how many deaths have been recorded when an aircraft has made an emergency landing and the 'wrong' people have been sitting near the exits?

'Would you all mind sitting down until this 'right' people opens the door for us all to exit safely please'

FFS the majority of people won't even sit whilst a plane taxis or sits at it's stand with the doors unopened, what chance is there that the 'right' people won't be swamped with 'wrong' people when lives are in danger.

bug wrote: »

How can you compare a car crash to a plane crash.. in any way..

Oh look it's the end a sentence with two periods poster.

Bluetonic wrote: »

'Would you all mind sitting down until this 'right' people opens the door for us all to exit safely please'

"tracy" can be very authorative, when she needs to be,
"GET BACK IN YOUR SEATS, NOW!!" if the one sitting next to the door is unwilling to help; they soon get shifted!

Bluetonic wrote: »

Oh look it's the end a sentence with two periods poster.

Ok, so I'll rephrase the question for you.

What makes you think you can compare a car crash to a plane crash in any way?

Deleted User wrote: »

"GET BACK IN YOUR SEATS, NOW!!" if the one sitting next to the door is unwilling to help they soon get shifted!

'Throw the door out the opening please sir'

Just as the door gets tossed back upon the baying mob.

The only thing that will be going out the 'window' is logic and the first guy sitting there.

OPENROAD

Bluetonic wrote: »

Just how many deaths have been recorded when an aircraft has made an emergency landing and the 'wrong' people have been sitting near the exits?

Well actually the type of passenger can make a difference, remember seeing a programme of two very similar incidents some years ago one was primarily made up of people off on holiday the other consisted primarily of frequent business travellers, lot more people goy out in the second incident.

bug wrote: »

What makes you think you can compare a car crash to a plane crash in any way?

Having seen a plane crash into a car and not knowing who was to blame I've since referred to the incident as a plane crash on one hand, and a car crash on the other hand. Depends what mood takes me. Regardless of what I as a mere mortal call it they are comparative.

OPENROAD wrote: »

Well actually the type of passenger can make a difference, remember seeing a programme of two very similar incidents some years ago one was primarily made up of people off on holiday the other consisted primarily of frequent business travellers, lot more people goy out in the second incident.

I remember the same, t'was a BA business flight if memory serves me correctly where the plane was evacuated quite efficiently.

Do you think all this division and sub division of types who may sit at the emergency exits will add to the cost of our flights? Surely all the decision making by the airline staff will only add to costs.

I'd rather take my chances.

I remember seeing a sticker on the rear window of a car which said "I'd rather be flying", the car had a crumpled front wing.

Someone had added to the sticker, "I bet you're glad you wern't".

Bluetonic wrote: »

Having seen a plane crash into a car and not knowing who was to blame I've since referred to the incident as a plane crash on one hand, and a car crash on the other hand. Depends what mood takes me. Regardless of what I as a mere mortal call it they are comparative.

Bluetonic wrote: »

Explain how vetting would have helped todays victims? Do people sitting close to the door in a car crash manage to get out quickly?.

I'm sorry I didn't realise we were talking about a collision which involved a car and a plane. I didn't think you were either from you're post above. But however, you've witness it and I haven't.

And don't diss the dots.

Really the flying is fine, it's the crashing you need to worry about.

meathstevie

For a starters look at the safety briefing card. It actually tells you in a couple of simple pictures how to pop the door. Rotate one lever/handle and put in a good shove is basicly the procedure. Any able bodied person should be well capable of doing this given that the fuselage or frame of the plane isn't too badly deformed on impact. These things are designed with the average person in mind, you don't have to be an SAS trooper to be able to open those doors.

Bluetonic wrote: »

Do you think all this division and sub division of types who may sit at the emergency exits will add to the cost of our flights? Surely all the decision making by the airline staff will only add to costs.

I believe that it's a simple look by the check-in staff as to whether the person looks "suitable" to sit there (no mobility problems, children etc), if in doubt place them elsewhere on the plane.

Those people look like their having a great time on the safety briefing card. Very multicultural they are too.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

OPENROAD

Bluetonic wrote: »

I remember the same, t'was a BA business flight if memory serves me correctly where the plane was evacuated quite efficiently.

Do you think all this division and sub division of types who may sit at the emergency exits will add to the cost of our flights? Surely all the decision making by the airline staff will only add to costs.

I'd rather take my chances.

The only division that you will ever have imo is based on age.i.e old and young children and those with a disability, I was surprised to read an earlier post saying she was moved because she was a woman.

If your number is up it is up imo, that said even though I fly regularly I still continue to watch the safety demos and I still count the number of seats in front and behind me to an exit.

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe that it's a simple look by the check-in staff as to whether the person looks "suitable" to sit there (no mobility problems, children etc), if in doubt place them elsewhere on the plane.

Quite easy for someone to be suitable at check in and after a few hours in the bar be unsuitable, or become unsuitable mid flight.

Bluetonic wrote: »

Quite easy for someone to be suitable at check in and after a few hours in the bar be unsuitable, or become unsuitable mid flight.

There's only so much you can do to reduce the risks involved in a planned emergency.

Deleted User wrote: »

There's only so much you can do to reduce the risks involved in a planned emergency.

Whats the chance a suitable person is more likely to make them self unsuitable before the flight and less capable than a previously deemed unsuitable person who under the current circumstances is more suitable than the now unsuitable person?

Bluetonic wrote: »

Whats the chance a suitable person is more likely to make them self unsuitable before the flight and less capable than a previously deemed unsuitable person who under the current circumstances is more suitable than the now unsuitable person?

The old fat wan with the gammy leg and stiff joints will remain the same and still be unsuitable, while the "suitable" person who is presumed drunk (despite limits on what passingers are allowed to drink on board) just gets passed over for someone else, simple.

cooperguy

Ciaran500 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditching#Survivial_Rates_of_Passenger_Plane_Water_Ditchings

All those examples were of propeller planes except 2, one of which was the example I gave. I did say Jet powered:) Maybe there was a couple more I was'nt aware of though