Englishman wins Irish race case

super_furry · 12-08-2008 11:56AM

R0ot wrote: »

No the entire monarchy and government are and when they publicly apologise i'll leave the rest of the English alone.

To you personally? Although I suppose Tony Blair did have a hand in that whole Cromwell business.

Anyway, we're losing sight of the real enemy here, those bloody Scandinavians. Feckin' Vikings coming over here, taking our land and eating our babies!

fitz0 · 12-08-2008 11:59AM

I see it as taking the piss really. He seems to not be very thick skinned. Id say him eating his lunch in his car just egged on the fellas doing the pisstaking. If he ignored it Id say they would have stopped after a while. Ive had people take the piss of me, maybe not in such a way, but Ill always take it in good humour and give as good as I get. As for this being racism thats just sh*tetalk.

R0ot · 12-08-2008 11:59AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

what about the apology the Irish settlers owe the native americans for taking their lands?

I'm sorry.... WHAT?!

dlofnep · 12-08-2008 11:59AM

Tbh, it was probably out of order. But it's no different than the 1000's of Irish workers over the years who have been victimized in England. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, that's for sure.

super_furry · 12-08-2008 12:01PM

R0ot wrote: »

I'm sorry.... WHAT?!

Have you never seen Far and Away? Still, good of you to apologise, although it should be Brian Cowen really. Or Mary McAleese.

Fratton Fred · 12-08-2008 12:02PM

it's difficult to judge this unless you see what the guy went through first hand.

I had plenty of abuse when Ireland beat England at Croke Park and i gave plenty back when we whooped you asses at Twickenham:D.

I also get plenty of stick about the England football team, although I considered it unfair to give any back about the Irish team, it's kind of like mocking the afflicted.:D

that's all fine to me and I have no problem with that. however, you do meet people, just the odd one or two, who have a real chip on their shoulder about the English and they will make a point of raising it as an issue at every possible opportunity. If this happens in the work place then t is an issue your employer needs to deal with, if your supervisor is one of those with the issue, what are you supposed to do?

Latchy · 12-08-2008 12:02PM

The guy obiously felt intimidated enough to sit out in his car eating lunch .

Reminds me of that very old British film with Richard Attenborough ,think it was called ' the silence ' were due to his stand on a particular issue he is isolated from his work mates who totally blank him out .

He cracks up in the end :pac:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 12-08-2008 12:04PM

R0ot wrote: »

I'm sorry.... WHAT?!

you know, the genocide on the american continent?

'the only good injun is a dead injun' fine words, by a fine irish poet.

dade · 12-08-2008 12:04PM

B-K-DzR wrote: »

Sounds like abuse to me. Not so much what was said but what seems like the continuing nature of it.

Doesn't make it right in either case.

never said it did, what i mean t was the lads giving the abuse may have been on the receiving end while they worked abroad. i agree that initially it may have been in jest but to continue at it and the "send the Brit in" comments when there was danger or the "sack the brit before any Irish" comment that was alleged to have been made are wrong 100%. i think that the companys excuse that he was less skilled may have held some water if taken alone but when the rest of the work situation like the comments and abuse are added it's difficult not to assume he was sacked because of his nationality.

the question i would ask is did he make any formal complaints to his manager/employer about thus abuse? did he report it to his union official (if there was one) and if so why was nothing done? and if he didn't report it then i think he pulled the race card when he was sacked due to his possible lack of skill

Fratton Fred · 12-08-2008 12:04PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Tbh, it was probably out of order. But it's no different than the 1000's of Irish workers over the years who have been victimized in England. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, that's for sure.

me neither.

seamus · 12-08-2008 12:05PM

Homer wrote: »

Lets' call a spade a spade... It's ridiculous, he never complained to his site manager while all this was going on and only after he got let go did he complain?!

Well, if all of your colleagues are slagging you about your nationality and your supervisor is joining in, how eager would you be to go to the site manager?

The Irish put up with dogs abuse for years in the UK and didn't go running to employment tribunals violins in hand...

You're not the only one to say this, but I don't see how it has any bearing whatsoever.

That's like saying, "Ah shure we used to have 6 pints and drive home all the time back in the seventies, why bother stopping us from doing it now?".

Just because something used to be accepted or ignored, that doesn't mean it's OK now.

StormWarrior · 12-08-2008 12:06PM

I'm sure that if it was Brits saying this stuff about an Irishman, there would be plenty of people on here moaning about it.

Nolanger · 12-08-2008 12:07PM

With this recession hopefully those racist tossers will all lose their jobs soon -shame on the foreman for joining in.

R0ot · 12-08-2008 12:09PM

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

you know, the genocide on the american continent?

'the only good injun is a dead injun' fine words, by a fine irish poet.

Strangely enough mord I do, but I prefer another version of it. :rolleyes:

Grudaire · 12-08-2008 12:09PM

Damn it I've worked in Mayo, and they keep calling me jackeen, and when they won two years ago... well lets just say they're still talking about it....

I'm afraid to wear a Dublin jersey to work

Do I get money?? - Or as Mr T says: "Get some nuts"

Dudess · 12-08-2008 12:10PM

dade wrote: »

yeah it' sabuse but sure teh irish lads where probably giving back what irish guys faced in teh UK and abroad

Oh, that's all right so. This English guy should be a target of abuse on the grounds of his nationality... cuz his fellow countrymen did the same to Irish lads in the 80s.

Earthhorse · 12-08-2008 12:10PM

seamus wrote: »

Guys who think they're being funny but have no idea where the line is between being funny and original and being a complete moronic bully.

Bit like Thunderdome then?

OMG, DID I JUST SAY THAT? CAN...WORMS...EVERYWHERE!

Homer wrote: »

Lets' call a spade a spade...

Now that's racism.

Defenestrate · 12-08-2008 12:13PM

The poor guy had to go eat in his car he was so miserable, he was clearly bullied.

Why should he pay for the crimes of other people just because he was born on the same lump of rock as them?

dade · 12-08-2008 12:13PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh, that's all right so. This English guy should be a target of abuse on the grounds of his nationality... cuz his fellow countrymen did the same to Irish lads in the 80s.

what i meant was the irish lads may have felt justified for this reason. i never said they where right. i believe i said it was abuse.

dlofnep · 12-08-2008 12:17PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh, that's all right so. This English guy should be a target of abuse on the grounds of his nationality... cuz his fellow countrymen did the same to Irish lads in the 80s.

No, he should be a target of abuse for his silly accent.

Nah, seriously though - it was probably out of order like I said. I work with alot of English people and I haven't seen them ever ridiculed here, and I wouldn't personally ridicule anyone for their nationality.

But this is totally been blown out of proportion. Where's all the news stories for the lads over in England who are still to this very day, been taunted with abuse. "Fenians, Paddies, Micks" etc.. It's only important when it's someone from England being abused, but if it was the other way around in England - it would be a "harmless bit of fun".

Building sites are known for their humour and cheap digs at each other. The short guy was probably called a hobbit, the fat guy was probably called Fat Arnold, the guy with the long face was called Horse, and the English guy was called whatever.

I'm willing to bet that every single person there was slagged at one point or another. This is just typical media blowing things out of proportion.

Latchy · 12-08-2008 12:18PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

I'm sure that if it was Brits saying this stuff about an Irishman, there would be plenty of people on here moaning about it.

The irony might be lost on some people .I have met in my time in uk some fellow irish people who moaned about everything english/british simply cuz they were conditioned to do so and adopted a ' ah they hate me simply cuz i'm irish ' mentality ,when they made little or no effort to fit in .In some cases there might be justification for anti irish complaints but absolutly none in others .

javaboy · 12-08-2008 12:19PM

super_furry wrote: »

Have you never seen Far and Away?

I have and until I personally get an apology from Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, Ron Howard, Cyril Cusack, Eileen Pollock and Colm Meaney I will never forgive the Americans, Australians, English and Irish (North+South) for what they did to my eyes and in Tom Cruise's case, ears.

Earthhorse · 12-08-2008 12:22PM

javaboy wrote: »

I have and until I personally get an apology from Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, Ron Howard, Cyril Cusack, Eileen Pollock and Colm Meaney I will never forgive the Americans, Australians, English and Irish (North+South) for what they did to my eyes and in Tom Cruise's case, ears.

Sounds like someone got a little tipsy at the premiere and woke up the next day with a few regrets.

javaboy · 12-08-2008 12:22PM

dlofnep wrote: »

But this is totally been blown out of proportion. Where's all the news stories for the lads over in England who are still to this very day, been taunted with abuse. "Fenians, Paddies, Micks" etc.. It's only important when it's someone from England being abused, but if it was the other way around in England - it would be a "harmless bit of fun".

If it was constant ongoing bullying to the point where the Irishman felt he had to eat in his car to avoid it, I'm sure he'd have a good chance of being successful at an equality tribunal.

Building sites are known for their humour and cheap digs at each other. The short guy was probably called a hobbit, the fat guy was probably called Fat Arnold, the guy with the long face was called Horse, and the English guy was called whatever.

That's true but it quickly becomes obvious when one guy isn't taking it well. It takes a special kind of moron to keep up the slagging beyond that point.

I'm willing to bet that every single person there was slagged at one point or another. This is just typical media blowing things out of proportion.

It's not really just the meeja though since it was a successful case at an equality tribunal.

dlofnep · 12-08-2008 12:23PM

javaboy wrote: »

I have and until I personally get an apology from Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, Ron Howard, Cyril Cusack, Eileen Pollock and Colm Meaney I will never forgive the Americans, Australians, English and Irish (North+South) for what they did to my eyes and in Tom Cruise's case, ears.

Sounds reasonable.

javaboy · 12-08-2008 12:25PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Sounds like someone got a little tipsy at the premiere and woke up the next day with a few regrets.

I was 7 years old when F&A premiered. Are you insinuating that I'm a drunk because I'm Irish and that my drunken parents gave me booze from a very early age?

I call racism on you Eart'hoss.

seamus · 12-08-2008 12:28PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Sounds like someone got a little tipsy at the premiere and woke up the next day with a few regrets.

I don't know, I think Nicole Kidman would be sufficient to ensure that there were no regrets about the rest of them :pac:

Where's all the news stories for the lads over in England who are still to this very day, been taunted with abuse. "Fenians, Paddies, Micks" etc.

Fourth link in a very poor google;
http://www.medwaymessenger.co.uk/news/default.asp?article_id=42656

Earthhorse · 12-08-2008 12:29PM

javaboy wrote: »

I was 7 years old when F&A premiered. Are you insinuating that I'm a drunk because I'm Irish and that my drunken parents gave me booze from a very early age?

I call racism on you Eart'hoss.

By someone I clearly meant the cast and crew of the production.

Get your facts straight next time before accusing me of racism you no good drunk.

Tar.Aldarion · 12-08-2008 12:32PM

Money deserved. Good stuff.

dlofnep · 12-08-2008 12:34PM

seamus wrote: »

Fourth link in a very poor google;
http://www.medwaymessenger.co.uk/news/default.asp?article_id=42656

I'm sure the Medway messenger has a great reader base. And where's the coverage for this by the BBC? One article in a nothing-newspaper hardly compares to a worldwide coverage by the BBC. My original point still stands.

Englishman wins Irish race case

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