Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Malice · 25-07-2008 02:57PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

if ANY fans try and sing the "Keano" chant at anfield, i hope they get a sharp slap in the back of the head.

To the tune of "Let It Be"

Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
His names not ****ing Keano,
Its Robbie Keane.

That's a new one - making up songs for players that haven't even been signed yet

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Mr Alan · 25-07-2008 04:04PM

its not mine, its from another site.

Charlie · 25-07-2008 04:15PM

EDIT

I will personally eviscerate anyone who posts trash like that on soccer again. - GY

darkskol · 25-07-2008 04:18PM

Just reading over on RAWK about Arbeloa. According to Shankslegend; he said that the story is true but its Arbeloas other half that has the problem and wants to move back to spain.

mike65 · 25-07-2008 04:19PM

Har bloody har!

Mike.

Reganio 2 · 25-07-2008 04:21PM

So we have pretty much signed Robbie Keane

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Karmafaerie · 25-07-2008 04:25PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

if ANY fans try and sing the "Keano" chant at anfield, i hope they get a sharp slap in the back of the head.

To the tune of "Let It Be"

Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
His names not ****ing Keano,
Its Robbie Keane.

I still prefer my Babel song though (couldn't get it to catch on at Anfield, although I did get a French pub singing it after Liverpool knocked Arsenal out in the champions league).

To the theme of the Lovecats by The Cure.

Ba da ba ba ba ba Babel
Ba da ba ba ba ba Babel
Score one score two score three score four score fifty
They said he would become the next Henry

(I'll get my coat!)

mike65 · 25-07-2008 04:29PM

The Cure? Lovecats?? Nah you need to think Scouse -

FGTH - You're a long way from home, welcome to the Babelzone! (to be sung as he charges past the away teams defence and slots away the winning goal)

Mike.

Mr Alan · 25-07-2008 04:34PM

STOP!!!!!!!!!

its babel time!

woodyg · 25-07-2008 04:52PM

http://setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/07/25/Premier-League-Hobbs-joins-Leicester/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/

havent seen this posted yet, good move for him as it will be to a team trying to win a league and the battle should strengthen him up.

Chardee MacDennis · 25-07-2008 05:55PM

Didnt see this in the thread but Godwin Antwi has signed for Tranmere on loan until January.

Dub13 · 25-07-2008 06:02PM

I am still undecided about Keane,looks like its a done deal anyway.

shayser · 25-07-2008 06:22PM

BBC says

Tottenham Hotspur forward Robbie Keane is set to complete an £18m transfer to Liverpool within the next 48 hours.

Looking forward to him coming but with some trepidation too. Personally, I think he will step up. Think he has matured in the last year or two. Certainly he was the one with the answers in the fight for the first team place between himself and Defoe.

DeadSkin · 25-07-2008 07:12PM

I had my doubts too about Robbie, but I now knows what Rafa's plan is

Here's Robbie's record for the Prem for the past 3 seasons;

7 of his 15 league goals scored away from home during 2007-08 season
5 of his 11 league goals were scored away from home during 2006-07 season
10 of his 16 league goals were scored away from home during 2005-06 season

And we all know Torres is ****e scoring away from home in the league :pac::pac::p

GuanYin · 25-07-2008 08:24PM

Charlie McHugh, I'm warning you casually this time, next time it will be formally.

Everyone else, I will ban for Rickrolling or any similar "gimmicks" on soccer.

I have a sense of humor, but only for funny things.

DeadSkin · 25-07-2008 08:28PM

GuanYin wrote: »

Charlie McHugh, I'm warning you casually this time, next time it will be formally.

Everyone else, I will ban for Rickrolling or any similar "gimmicks" on soccer.

I have a sense of humor, but only for funny things.

Don't click on his sig then, caught me twice da fecker!!!:)

***shakes fist at charlie***

Eire-Dearg · 25-07-2008 09:25PM

I'm welcoming Keane to Anfield, I've always has a little feeling he'd join sometime. Nice to have another Irishman too. But £18m is way too much, since Torres cost like £23m. Doesn't even out. We either got a bargain for Torres, or we're getting robbed for Keane.

mike65 · 25-07-2008 09:29PM

Torres was a bargin only in retrospect and Keane at 18 mill is a lot but if he scores 20 goals in all comp will we complain?

Mike.

Karmafaerie · 25-07-2008 10:30PM

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

I'm welcoming Keane to Anfield, I've always has a little feeling he'd join sometime. Nice to have another Irishman too. But £18m is way too much, since Torres cost like £23m. Doesn't even out. We either got a bargain for Torres, or we're getting robbed for Keane.

Torres is well documented as being a steal.
The cost was eventually £21.5 mill, with a possible £2 mill in achievment bonuses.
(Or there abouts)

Milan had offered £28,000,000.
Man Utd had offered about £25,000,000.
They could have gotten close to £30,000,000 for him, but Torres told Atletico he ws only willing to go to Liverpool.

Also, it's all well and good to look at Torres now and say it wa a steal.
How quickly people forget how much doubt there was about Nando.
How many people said it was a big waste of money.
How many posters here were against it.

Torres' record for the 5 years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2002–03_______________31____________14
2003–04_______________40____________21
2004–05_______________49____________20
2005–06_______________40____________13
2006–07_______________40____________15

Keanes record for the five years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2003-04_______________41____________16
2004-05_______________45____________17
2005-07_______________38____________16
2006-07_______________44____________22
2007-08_______________54____________23

Keane was getting better and Better, Torres' form had dropped off.
Keane was scoring in the prem.
Torres could just be another foreign hype.

Keane for £18,000,000 is a complete steal.
Over the last two years, he is the most consistant striker in the prem.

Take him and Berbatov for instance.
In the two years they've been at tottenham.
Berba has played 101 games and scored 46 goals.
Keane has played 98 games and scored 45.

Berbatov is lazy but spectacular, so he gets all the plaudits.
Keane will work like a demon.
By far the better choice.

monkey9 · 25-07-2008 11:34PM

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

I'm welcoming Keane to Anfield, I've always has a little feeling he'd join sometime. Nice to have another Irishman too. But £18m is way too much, since Torres cost like £23m. Doesn't even out. We either got a bargain for Torres, or we're getting robbed for Keane.

I'm delighted that, as it seems, we're on the verge of signing Keane. I really can't understand people's doubts about him. He's proven himself at Spurs to be a quality Premiership player. In fact, i think he is world class as in he could make it in any league for any big team. I just think he's quality.
As for his fee, i think it's fair enough. See, you're comparing it to Torres' fee last summer. But after the season that he has just had, i reckon Torres is now worth around 50m compared to Keane's 18m or whatever it may be. So it's a decent price.

monkey9 · 25-07-2008 11:37PM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Torres is well documented as being a steal.
The cost was eventually £21.5 mill, with a possible £2 mill in achievment bonuses.
(Or there abouts)

Milan had offered £28,000,000.
Man Utd had offered about £25,000,000.
They could have gotten close to £30,000,000 for him, but Torres told Atletico he ws only willing to go to Liverpool.

Also, it's all well and good to look at Torres now and say it wa a steal.
How quickly people forget how much doubt there was about Nando.
How many people said it was a big waste of money.
How many posters here were against it.

Torres' record for the 5 years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2002–03_______________31____________14
2003–04_______________40____________21
2004–05_______________49____________20
2005–06_______________40____________13
2006–07_______________40____________15

Keanes record for the five years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2003-04_______________41____________16
2004-05_______________45____________17
2005-07_______________38____________16
2006-07_______________44____________22
2007-08_______________54____________23

Keane was getting better and Better, Torres' form had dropped off.
Keane was scoring in the prem.
Torres could just be another foreign hype.

Keane for £18,000,000 is a complete steal.
Over the last two years, he is the most consistant striker in the prem.

Take him and Berbatov for instance.
In the two years they've been at tottenham.
Berba has played 101 games and scored 46 goals.
Keane has played 98 games and scored 45.

Berbatov is lazy but spectacular, so he gets all the plaudits.
Keane will work like a demon.
By far the better choice.

Good post Great stats

DeadSkin · 26-07-2008 08:03AM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Torres' record for the 5 years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2002–03_______________31____________14
2003–04_______________40____________21
2004–05_______________49____________20
2005–06_______________40____________13
2006–07_______________40____________15

Keanes record for the five years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2003-04_______________41____________16
2004-05_______________45____________17
2005-07_______________38____________16
2006-07_______________44____________22
2007-08_______________54____________23

Torres for season 2007/'08 at Liverpool, 45 games and 33 goals.
Keane will get more chances being surrounded by better players, just as Torres proved last season.

HashSlinging · 26-07-2008 09:32AM

yeah will be great to see rob at pool. Also would like to see duff there but i can dream.

Dub13 · 26-07-2008 10:29AM

HashSlinging wrote: »

yeah will be great to see rob at pool. Also would like to see duff there but i can dream.

No way maybe 6 years ago but today Duff is 1/4 the player he was back in 2002.He would not even make the bench now.

p.pete · 26-07-2008 12:36PM

DeadSkin wrote: »

Keane will get more chances being surrounded by better players

Haha, just as Pennants crosses will be put away more often, crossing to better players (I seem to remember that argument being made). If we do get Keane hopefully it means one extra leader on the pitch - players like Torres, Gerrard, Carra and Keane really make a difference to a squad.

Karmafaerie · 26-07-2008 01:48PM

p.pete wrote: »

Haha, just as Pennants crosses will be put away more often, crossing to better players (I seem to remember that argument being made). If we do get Keane hopefully it means one extra leader on the pitch - players like Torres, Gerrard, Carra and Keane really make a difference to a squad.

One extra leader?!
We have a team of leaders!

Kuyt, former Feyenord captain.
Torres, former Atletico captain.
Lucas Brasil under 20 captain
Benayoun Israel captain.
Hyypia, former Liverpool captain, former Finnish captain.
Gerrard, 'nuff said.
Alonso, has captained Liverpool and Spain.
Carra, Liverpool vice-captain.

And hopefully now Keane too.

Rafa's building a team of captains.

eZe^ · 26-07-2008 02:10PM

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Torres is well documented as being a steal.
The cost was eventually £21.5 mill, with a possible £2 mill in achievment bonuses.
(Or there abouts)

Milan had offered £28,000,000.
Man Utd had offered about £25,000,000.
They could have gotten close to £30,000,000 for him, but Torres told Atletico he ws only willing to go to Liverpool.

Also, it's all well and good to look at Torres now and say it wa a steal.
How quickly people forget how much doubt there was about Nando.
How many people said it was a big waste of money.
How many posters here were against it.

Torres' record for the 5 years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2002–03_______________31____________14
2003–04_______________40____________21
2004–05_______________49____________20
2005–06_______________40____________13
2006–07_______________40____________15

Keanes record for the five years before Liverpool

__Year______________Games_________Goals
2003-04_______________41____________16
2004-05_______________45____________17
2005-07_______________38____________16
2006-07_______________44____________22
2007-08_______________54____________23

Keane was getting better and Better, Torres' form had dropped off.
Keane was scoring in the prem.
Torres could just be another foreign hype.

Keane for £18,000,000 is a complete steal.
Over the last two years, he is the most consistant striker in the prem.

Take him and Berbatov for instance.
In the two years they've been at tottenham.
Berba has played 101 games and scored 46 goals.
Keane has played 98 games and scored 45.

Berbatov is lazy but spectacular, so he gets all the plaudits.
Keane will work like a demon.
By far the better choice.

Thats a well portrayed post, but at the same time, I really don't think you can actually compare Torres' signing to Keane's one... Now, don't get me wrong, I think Keane is a quality player. He will add a hell of a lot to Liverpools title challenge, but I don't think the manner in which you compared both players is apt..

First of all, Torres came as a 23 year old striker. He was always going to become a better player who will continue to grow and grow in stature. Keane is a 28 year old, how much more progress do you really expect him to make?

Also, Torres came from a completely different league, and I think we can all see that the EPL has suited Torres a hundred times more for Atletico. I watched him for years at Atletico, and yes I've always thought he was good there, but I really doubted his ability to be a top class striker. Once he left for England, I was one of his greatest doubters. The fact is, Torres is much more effective against the strong, quick imposing defenders of the EPL, as opposed to the more patient defenders in La Liga that require more of a tactical intelligent approach to beat. This has translated into an absolutely fantastic opening season for the lad.

But Robbie Keane has been playing in the EPL for basically his whole career, I don't think we can make an estimation that Keane will be a completely different prospect just because he has joined a bigger team in the same league. He will remain the same consistent, reliable working striker, but I really can't see him being as much of a saviour as Torres was this season.

Also, you say that he has shown an excellent record in the last two seasons. I agree, but I think thats also down to the fact he has had a strike partner that compliments him immensely in the form of Berbatov. They both fit perfectly together. Again, perhaps the fact that he will be around an overall better squad will make him even better, but there is also the possibility of him scoring less goals because his amazing partnership with Berbatov is being broken...

Again, Im not trying to stir up a big argument, because I do like Keane, and he will do excellent at Liverpool. But I think its a little over hyping him to expect him to perform as good (or better) than Torres did last season. Of course I may be wrong, in which case you can quote this post and laugh at me for hours...

That's just my 2 cents...

Karmafaerie · 26-07-2008 02:13PM

Fernando Torres returned yesterday from his golden summer with Spain and vowed to lift some silverware with Liverpool.

Torres breezed through the gates of Melwood yesterday morning, still on a high from winning Euro 2008, to begin pre-season training with his team-mates.

The striker was mobbed by hordes of young fans when he arrived and said his triumph in Austria has made him even more determined to taste glory with Rafa Benitez's Reds.

"Euro 2008 was my first major title, but I don't want it to end here," said Torres. "I want it to be the first of many titles because I want to win trophies with Liverpool.

"I know how much that would mean to the club and the fans.

"They gave me terrific support during Euro 2008 and I know that they were cheering for Spain, which is something I will never forget."

Torres' winner in the final came straight off the training pitch at Melwood and it was reminiscent of Kenny Dalglish's deft finish against Bruges in the 1978 European Cup Final.

Torres, 24, who scored 33 goals in his debut campaign for the Reds, is quick to acknowledge the strides he has made under Benitez, even if he says his compatriot is an unforgiving taskmaster.

"The goals I scored for Liverpool last season gave me the confidence I needed to take into the Euros," he said.

"I have to thank Rafa and the staff for the help they have given me. I improved as a player because of them.

"Rafa is obsessed with details and he even had a programme worked out for me before I got here last summer. He makes crazy demands on us. At the end of training, when we're all tired, he can still make us repeat routines 20 or 30 times."
Benitez believes Torres can add some much-needed sparkle to Liverpool's summer.

The Reds' pre-season campaign has been low key and Benitez is none too pleased at having to wave goodbye to Ryan Babel, Javier Mascherano and Lucas, who are off to the Olympics for the next four weeks.

Benitez is looking to Torres and his victorious Spanish team-mates Xabi Alonso, Pepe Reina and Alvaro Arbeloa to give everyone around Anfield a lift.

"It is good to have them back," said the Reds manager. "They obviously return with confidence and that's a good thing because players who win trophies have a winning mentality, which can rub off on those around them.

"The squad will settle down more and we'll be working with the players who will be available to us when the new season begins."

Benitez plans to fast-track Torres into action and he is expected to figure in the friendly against Villarreal in Spain on Wednesday.

Benitez also faces an awkward conversation with Alonso. The midfielder will demand to know where he stands after Liverpool tried to offload him to Juventus.

Benitez needs to sell Alonso to fund the purchase of Gareth Barry from Aston Villa, but despite interest from Atletico Madrid and Fenerbahce, Liverpool have not received any new bids for him.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/07/26/fernando-torres-now-i-want-cups-for-liverpool-115875-20671809/

Mostly just the usual rehashed interviews.

Karmafaerie · 26-07-2008 02:24PM

eZe^ wrote: »

Thats a well portrayed post, but at the same time, I really don't think you can actually compare Torres' signing to Keane's one... Now, don't get me wrong, I think Keane is a quality player. He will add a hell of a lot to Liverpools title challenge, but I don't think the manner in which you compared both players is apt..

First of all, Torres came as a 23 year old striker. He was always going to become a better player who will continue to grow and grow in stature. Keane is a 28 year old, how much more progress do you really expect him to make?

Also, Torres came from a completely different league, and I think we can all see that the EPL has suited Torres a hundred times more for Atletico. I watched him for years at Atletico, and yes I've always thought he was good there, but I really doubted his ability to be a top class striker. Once he left for England, I was one of his greatest doubters. The fact is, Torres is much more effective against the strong, quick imposing defenders of the EPL, as opposed to the more patient defenders in La Liga that require more of a tactical intelligent approach to beat. This has translated into an absolutely fantastic opening season for the lad.

But Robbie Keane has been playing in the EPL for basically his whole career, I don't think we can make an estimation that Keane will be a completely different prospect just because he has joined a bigger team in the same league. He will remain the same consistent, reliable working striker, but I really can't see him being as much of a saviour as Torres was this season.

Also, you say that he has shown an excellent record in the last two seasons. I agree, but I think thats also down to the fact he has had an strike partner that compliments him immensely in the form of Berbatov. They both fit perfectly together. Again, perhaps the fact that he will be around an overall better squad will make him even better, but there is also the possibility of him scoring less goals because his amazing partnership with Berbatov is being broken...

Again, Im not trying to stir up a big argument, because I do like Keane, and he will do excellent at Liverpool. But I think its a little over hyping him to expect him to perform as good (or better) than Torres did last season. Of course I may be wrong, in which case you can quote this post and laugh at me for hours...

That's just my 2 cents...

I think you picked me up a bit wrong there.
I wasn't implying that Keane will undergo a similar relevation as Torres did.
Just that it's wrong of people to say that Keane isn't worth £18,000,000 cause we only paid £21-23,500,000 for Torres.

We got Torres on the cheap because of his love for the club, and even ignoring that, Torres wasn't the same player when we bought him as he is now.
He was potential.
Now he's realised that.
Spending over 20 million on him however was a gamble.
Keane isn't a gamble.
He's a proven factor, and for that you pay more.

Keane makes those who play with him look better.
Berbatov wouldn't be anywhere near as hyped if it wasn't for Robbie doing half of his work for him.
I'm not saying that Robbie will go from 20 to 30 goals a season.
But that 20 goals a season (half of them away from home!!!) is more than worth £18,000,000.

What it all comes down to is this.
Utd have just paid £32,000,000 for Tevez.
Anybody who thinks that in that market, £18,000,000 for Keane isn't a great deal, is kidding themselves.

copacetic · 26-07-2008 02:31PM

eZe^ wrote: »

Also, you say that he has shown an excellent record in the last two seasons. I agree, but I think thats also down to the fact he has had an strike partner that compliments him immensely in the form of Berbatov. They both fit perfectly together. Again, perhaps the fact that he will be around an overall better squad will make him even better, but there is also the possibility of him scoring less goals because his amazing partnership with Berbatov is being broken...

agree with this, Keane didn't get better on his own, Berbatov came along and when played together they both came off very well out of it.

However I think Keane is a great option for Liverpool, personally I don't think he is a 'high quality' player in the normal sense. Eg someone like Torres who can look a bit disinterested then turn it on from nowhere. Keane is a high tempo, hard worker who can look a bit lost when he isn't surrounded by other good players (eg for Ireland). On his day with the right defenders against him he can look great, against the better defenders he can look ordinary imo

He is a risk as you can't say for sure he will gel with the Liverpool players. I think he wil though and will put away a lot of the chances that were missed last year in the away games at smaller clubs. This is where we lost the league last year. All in all a lot of potential for Keane to prove himself at a big club and Liverpool to help him do that and get the benefit.

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