how overweight is overweight?

Wibbs · 11-07-2008 12:46PM

Fat is like art. Really fat is like a masterpiece, most will recognise it. For the rest everyone may have an opinion on it, most differ, but we know what we like and we know it when we see it.

For me as a bloke and taken as one facet of the attractiveness or not of a woman, it's hips and a waist. Even if a woman is bigger she'll still look damned good if she has a waist, even compared to a thin woman without one. Straight up and down or a waist bigger than hips would be a turnoff for me anyway.

In men a belly is a slippery slope. Not being able to see your wedding tackle is a sign to lay of the pies.

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 01:21PM

BubbleWrap85 wrote: »

That's hardly a fair thing to say. Weight is a very personal and sensitive issue for many people, regardless of whether they're overweight or not. I eat the wrong foods and don't do enough exercise [that's all going to change] but I would be very hurt to think that someone thought of me as a waste of space.

It's a very fair thing to say. You can become overweight through bad habits and overeating. This leads to huge health problems later in life wasting tax payer money in hospital costs. You can always justify it by believing that the extra weight is creating more jobs in the economy, hospitals in the future might even have to hire people just to move the fattys out of their beds.

BubbleWrap85 wrote: »

Also, often, greed IS associated with being fat as it is thought that they just eat and eat and eat, which isn't always true. Like I said already, I don't eat extra than anyone else, I just eat the wrong foods.

You can eat the wrong foods and still stay skinny. Its the overeating of the wrong foods that puts on most of the weight.

BubbleWrap85 wrote: »

It's very difficult to make the changes necessary until you have the motivation. The reason I didn't make the changes previously was because I was on my high horse thinking "They should accept me as I am", not realising that my body is indeed a temple and should be treated as one accordingly, and by being fat, I'm not treating it as the temple that is

I got a picture of a Temple for motivation.

Beetlebum · 11-07-2008 01:28PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

It's a very fair thing to say. You can become overweight through bad habits and overeating. This leads to huge health problems later in life wasting tax payer money in hospital costs. You can always justify it by believing that the extra weight is creating more jobs in the economy, hospitals in the future might even have to hire people just to move the fattys out of their beds.

You can eat the wrong foods and still stay skinny. Its the overeating of the wrong foods that puts on most of the weight.

I got a picture of a Temple for motivation.

There's no need to be so inconsiderate and ignorant. Get down off your high horse and stop being so judgemental.

I'm a size 6-8 and can eat whatever I like without putting on weight. I'm a greedy bitch so greed doesn't equate to being overweight either.

No wonder so mant people are unhappy with their weight. It's idiots like you who are contributing to the problem. 'Fat' people may waste tax payers money on hospital beds but you clearly wasted said tax payers money on an education. Ignorant fool.

Reku · 11-07-2008 01:31PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I got a picture of a Temple for motivation.

My body is a temple....
Just like most other temples it's crumbling with age.:p

brianthebard · 11-07-2008 01:59PM

youcancallme>al wrote: »

Shazam!

That thing is bull, it sez I have a body fat percentage of 14%. Now i know I should probably be happy about being lied to like that, but unless all 14% resides on my abdomen its not true!

BubbleWrap85 · 11-07-2008 02:08PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

It's a very fair thing to say. You can become overweight through bad habits and overeating. This leads to huge health problems later in life wasting tax payer money in hospital costs. You can always justify it by believing that the extra weight is creating more jobs in the economy, hospitals in the future might even have to hire people just to move the fattys out of their beds.

You can eat the wrong foods and still stay skinny. Its the overeating of the wrong foods that puts on most of the weight.

I got a picture of a Temple for motivation.

That's a really unsensitive, ignorant and immature thing to say.

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 02:10PM

Beetlebum wrote: »

There's no need to be so inconsiderate and ignorant. Get down off your high horse and stop being so judgemental.

I like the view from up here. Its not my fault your too cheap to be able to buy a high horse. I can get you a old saddle and a broom if you want?

Beetlebum wrote: »

I'm a size 6-8 and can eat whatever I like without putting on weight. I'm a greedy bitch so greed doesn't equate to being overweight either.

You might be a size 6-8, but you can't eat whatever you like without being able to put on weight. Thats a urban myth, right up there with being a natural size 0. In Gods honest truth, weight the exact amount of food you eat a day and calculate the calories. I bet they come in around 1800.

I have seen plenty of these so called skinny people(I am one myself). The fact is, you don't snack often, you don't finish your meals and you just plain skip meals when you can't be arsed making something. If you follow a "skinny" person around for an entire week you see they stuff themselves at set times and eat very little else.

Beetlebum wrote: »

No wonder so many people are unhappy with their weight. It's idiots like you who are contributing to the problem. 'Fat' people may waste tax payers money on hospital beds but you clearly wasted said tax payers money on an education. Ignorant fool.

I think you are confusing ignorant with arrogant. And to quote
"Your ignorance isn't helping my arrogance"

Smokers are charged through the nose for health problems that they have created through smoking. Taking that logic anybody who is overweight should also be taxed to help support the health system from the complications they create.

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 02:13PM

BubbleWrap85 wrote: »

That's a really unsensitive, ignorant and immature thing to say.

Welcome to AH, you don't see me lambasting you on the fitness forum do you? There is a time and a place and I am quite happy to voice my own opinions here.

BubbleWrap85 · 11-07-2008 02:21PM

So now you're stalking me? Never said you couldn't voice your own opinions, but I think you could be a little bit more democratic, considering it is a sensitive topic. Fair enough, it is AH, but that doesn't give you a license to lose all credibility and empathy for people.

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 02:29PM

BubbleWrap85 wrote: »

So now you're stalking me? Never said you couldn't voice your own opinions, but I think you could be a little bit more democratic, considering it is a sensitive topic. Fair enough, it is AH, but that doesn't give you a license to lose all credibility and empathy for people.

Not stalking, I tend to read the fitness forum.

I don't have to shy away from my own opinions on the matter like if I had a prejudice against black people or people with Down-Syndrome. The fact is you are more then capable of solving the problem and you are also the cause of it. Unlike the two examples above.

As for credibility and empathy, you assume I had it to begin with?

BubbleWrap85 · 11-07-2008 02:35PM

Well yes I did, you have "cuddles" in your name!

Beetlebum · 11-07-2008 02:38PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I like the view from up here. Its not my fault your too cheap to be able to buy a high horse. I can get you a old saddle and a broom if you want?

You might be a size 6-8, but you can't eat whatever you like without being able to put on weight. Thats a urban myth, right up there with being a natural size 0. In Gods honest truth, weight the exact amount of food you eat a day and calculate the calories. I bet they come in around 1800.

I have seen plenty of these so called skinny people(I am one myself). The fact is, you don't snack often, you don't finish your meals and you just plain skip meals when you can't be arsed making something. If you follow a "skinny" person around for an entire week you see they stuff themselves at set times and eat very little else.

I think you are confusing ignorant with arrogant. And to quote
"Your ignorance isn't helping my arrogance"

Smokers are charged through the nose for health problems that they have created through smoking. Taking that logic anybody who is overweight should also be taxed to help support the health system from the complications they create.

Wrong!

I eat 5 square meals a day, snack on chocolate and sink pints like there's no tomorrow. A few people on here know me and can vouch for that. My friends always joke that I have a tapeworm cause I eat like a horse yet remain slim. It's down to a fast metabolism and being damn lucky..

You can follow me around for a week to verify that if you like...and yes I would in fact like an old saddle and broom...and a horse if there's one going..

You can send it to : Skinnymalink Line, tapeworm terrace, D.1. Ta..

BubbleWrap85 · 11-07-2008 02:40PM

Beetlebum wrote: »

Wrong!

I eat 5 square meals a day, snack on chocolate and sink pints like there's no tomorrow. A few people on here know me and can vouch for that. My friends always joke that I have a tapeworm cause I eat like a horse yet remain slim. It's down to a fast metabolism and being damn lucky..

You can follow me around for a week to verify that if you like...and yes I would in fact like an old saddle and broom...and a horse if there's one going..

You can send it to : Skinnymalink Line, tapeworm terrace, D.1. Ta..

LOL

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 02:50PM

Beetlebum wrote: »

Wrong!

I eat 5 square meals a day, snack on chocolate and sink pints like there's no tomorrow. A few people on here know me and can vouch for that. My friends always joke that I have a tapeworm cause I eat like a horse yet remain slim. It's down to a fast metabolism and being damn lucky..

You can follow me around for a week to verify that if you like...and yes I would in fact like an old saddle and broom...and a horse if there's one going..

You can send it to : Skinnymalink Line, tapeworm terrace, D.1. Ta..

Yeah, I can eat a thousand meals a day, sink the Titanic and still stay a constant happy weight. I can say a lot of things on a internet forum, doesn't make them true though. There are hundreds of studies done which all back up what I have said, calories in - calories out = fat gain or weight loss.

Metabolism plays a very small percentage in this. Its also increased by having muscle, something which requires exercise and tends not to be on overweight people outside of what they need to carry themselves.

BubbleWrap85 · 11-07-2008 02:54PM

To be fair, fast metabolism does play a big part. My sister is a size 8 and eats the most rubbish food. Coco pops and sweets and crappy food. I'll admit she probably doesn't overeat, but if another person ate what she ate, they'd most certainly put on weight. So metabolism does play a part.

Cuddlesworth, perhaps you are just envious that you have to work damn hard to maintain your skininess, whereas others can eat/drink what they like and not put on a pound?

Beetlebum · 11-07-2008 03:09PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Yeah, I can eat a thousand meals a day, sink the Titanic and still stay a constant happy weight. I can say a lot of things on a internet forum, doesn't make them true though. There are hundreds of studies done which all back up what I have said, calories in - calories out = fat gain or weight loss.

Metabolism plays a very small percentage in this. Its also increased by having muscle, something which requires exercise and tends not to be on overweight people outside of what they need to carry themselves.

I too can say things on the Internet that aren't true...
You're sound and interesting...seriously you are...PM me, we should hook up and go grab 2 big macs

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 03:11PM

BubbleWrap85 wrote: »

Cuddlesworth, perhaps you are just envious that you have to work damn hard to maintain your skininess, whereas others can eat/drink what they like and not put on a pound?

Lol, 4 years ago I was fighting at just under 65kilos at just under 6 foot.
Last year I was 67 kilos with no excercise for a year and working in a office.
I'm currently around 66 kilos trying to break my eating habits and gain weight and muscle.

I can lift more or the same as guys who are 15-20 kilos heavier.

I was always called a skinny bastard and I was always fairly skinny. I could wolf down the food like the rest of them and eat larger portions. Guess what, I don't have a fast metabolism. I just would eat one large meal a day, would take the stairs while others would take the lifts and would generally eat small amounts of sugar. And I have noticed the same or similar traits with every other natural "skinny" person I have encountered in my life. Also you gain weight slowly, it take years of over eating to get overweight. Very small changes in diet and lifestyle can have severe long term effects.

Wibbs · 11-07-2008 03:14PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Yeah, I can eat a thousand meals a day, sink the Titanic and still stay a constant happy weight. I can say a lot of things on a internet forum, doesn't make them true though. There are hundreds of studies done which all back up what I have said, calories in - calories out = fat gain or weight loss.

Metabolism plays a very small percentage in this. Its also increased by having muscle, something which requires exercise and tends not to be on overweight people outside of what they need to carry themselves.

I have to say any study I've read of which there are lots agree with this. One study involved sealing fat, skinny and average people into their own sealed room. Food and waste products were measured and weight after a month checked. The people were asked to report haow much they ate. Skinny people ate less but thought they ate more. Average people ate averagely and knew how much they ate while fat people ate more but thought they had eaten less.

Now people can put on weight due to hormonal problems PCOS etc or metabolic problems, but they would be the minority. The vast majority are skinny or fat because of how much they eat calories wise and how much calorie expenditure they fire out with exercise. I'm skinny because I eat very little. I have mate both male and female that are skinny and claim it's their metabolism, but spend a week with them and you see what and how little they eat compared to their fatter counterparts.

If this was metabolism/genes/etc then our ancestors would have been the same size. they were not. Go back 2 generations and they were thinner. Same genes, less food, more movement = thinner.

Cuddlesworth · 11-07-2008 03:15PM

Beetlebum wrote: »

I too can say things on the Internet that aren't true...
You're sound and interesting...seriously you are...PM me, we should hook up and go grab 2 big macs

Ahh sarcasm. When logical and reasonable arguments are put out what else have you to hide behind?

Beetlebum · 11-07-2008 03:29PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Ahh sarcasm. When logical and reasonable arguments are put out what else have you to hide behind?

My beautifully slim body...and a scream mask that i bought last Halloween..

Flyer1 · 11-07-2008 03:58PM

The BMI scale is pure bullcrap. I'm 6ft, weigh a geehair under 90KG, i've a 44" chest, a 36" waist. I do at least 90 mins intensive excersize 7 days a week, some days i'll do 2hrs worth. I eat very healthily and don't eat much for my size ( my 5ft 3 girlfriend of 50KG stone eats more ). I'm fitter then most people that I know ( apart from the crazy athlete's ).

The BMI scale was apparently calculated by a mathematician. It gets me angry when people even consider the BMI scale being something thats in any way practical. Body fat % all the way...

cance · 11-07-2008 04:06PM

Beetlebum wrote: »

Wrong!

I eat 5 square meals a day, snack on chocolate and sink pints like there's no tomorrow. A few people on here know me and can vouch for that. My friends always joke that I have a tapeworm cause I eat like a horse yet remain slim. It's down to a fast metabolism and being damn lucky..

You can follow me around for a week to verify that if you like...and yes I would in fact like an old saddle and broom...and a horse if there's one going..

You can send it to : Skinnymalink Line, tapeworm terrace, D.1. Ta..

thats great for you, but ignorance is obviously bliss, does your magic body also come in different colours? :rolleyes:

LouOB · 11-07-2008 04:16PM

People who eat crap when younger (even if they dont put on weight) will have alot of health problems later on in life. By gaining weight your body is letting you know that it cannot keep up with the amount of food you are eating.
But not putting on weight is worse imo - wait till you hit your 40/50's
Those few extra pounds might come in handy if you are struck down with some serious illness.

I have lost ALOT of weight in last few years
I was simply overeating and eating the wrong foods.

My sister eats crap and only recently has put on weight - but I guess she will have alot of health issues later in life as she thinks a Big Mac is a vegetable ;-)

CtrlSource · 11-07-2008 05:29PM

azezil wrote: »

Well I consider myself to a bit large, so just imagine how I view you fat fúcks

Well, you sure have been eating all the pies lately. Put the fork down, fatty!

entropi · 11-07-2008 05:29PM

Laura Appleby wrote: »

The only way you can permanently get rid of Muffin top is Lipo.

FAIL!! anyone with a clue about it would tell you that a persons diet is the first thing to change in combination with a dedicated exercise program(doesnt have to be tough exercise, just enough)and not rush in for pointless and possibly risky invasive surgery, you just proved that you dont have a clue by making that statement...

As for my own opinion, i would say overweight would be when your bodyfat % is higher than 22% and 27% M/F respectively.

Twinkle-star15 · 11-07-2008 05:32PM

'fat' depends on what size you are yourself. And how much you like the other person :P.

xxx

It wasn't me! · 11-07-2008 06:29PM

To be honest, it's pretty obvious: You know it when you see it, and there's no real disguising it either.

According to that BMI link a couple of pages back, my BMI is 31.3.

I'm six foot, built like a slightly atrophied rugby player. 38inch waist, 230 pounds, 46inch chest. It gives me a fat percentage of 17.6%.

It's probably not a million miles off the truth at the moment, but the thing is, if I exercise more, my waist measurement will drop, probably get down to a 36inch waist, but my weight will stay the same level if it doesn't increase, and it most likely will, because I like weight training. My real body fat percentage will drop to a pretty good level, but BMI will remain the same.

It can only provide an accurate representation in laboratory conditions, using laboratory controls. When I was younger, playing rugby, I'd have had a BMI of 33.1, going on rough estimates of my various measurements from a few years ago, and I was definitely in much better shape then.

cance · 11-07-2008 06:43PM

Master of Nothing wrote: »

FAIL!! anyone with a clue about it would tell you that a persons diet is the first thing to change in combination with a dedicated exercise program(doesnt have to be tough exercise, just enough)and not rush in for pointless and possibly risky invasive surgery, you just proved that you dont have a clue by making that statement...

well put

It wasn't me! wrote: »

To be honest, it's pretty obvious: You know it when you see it, and there's no real disguising it either.

According to that BMI link a couple of pages back, my BMI is 31.3.

I'm six foot, built like a slightly atrophied rugby player. 38inch waist, 230 pounds, 46inch chest. It gives me a fat percentage of 17.6%.

bmi is hideously flawed for athletic people, but its ok'ish for your average joe soap. to get a good bf% you need to get the calipers out

It wasn't me! · 11-07-2008 06:52PM

Agreed. It's a scale for a very specific person. Stray very far from the particular type of lifestyle and build the designer had in mind and it's completely useless.

Bubble19 · 12-07-2008 09:21PM

Overweight is when you have to ask others if your overweight...!! Happens all the time!

how overweight is overweight?

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