Any garda checkpoints out today?

dade · 01-07-2008 11:14AM

if they ask did ya come with a fully licensed drive say yes and they've gone for a walk they'll be back in an hour.

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 11:15AM

stevec wrote: »

:rolleyes:
AFAIK the only special dispensation they have is exemption from wearing a seatbelt - that may be gone now though.

please don't roll your eyes at me.

testers are entitled to ask you things about your car and your knowledge of the road and test your driving competence and allow or prevent you from driving accordingly. whether or not you broke the law to take your test comes under the umbrella of driving competence imo.

stevec wrote: »

Probably the same reason the testers don't have a stock of spare wiper blades in case they're needed.

wishbone ash said that the test is abandoned if they arrive without L plates.

i asked what if they put them up when the tester points it out

you said they fail them because they can't legally drive without L plates

that doesn't answer my question

edit:sorry i used the word failed and not "test abandoned"

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 11:17AM

dade wrote: »

if they ask did ya come with a fully licensed drive say yes and they've gone for a walk they'll be back in an hour.

imo, a dangerous risk to take. if they are allowed to ask, one would assume they're required to check. for example, if they ask to see your license, you can't say "ah i left it at home but i have one i swear".

and tbh, it insults the testers intelligence to tell such an obvious lie

if they're not allowed to ask, happy days

Wishbone Ash · 01-07-2008 11:30AM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

wishbone ash said that someone is failed if the arrive without L plates

Sam, you're being pedantic now. Yes I did say 'arrive' but i will rephrase it.

"Your vehicle must display 'L' plates front and rear. Otherwise the test will be abandoned".

You asked a couple of questions which were answered in good faith. Posters have gone out of their way to help you. Now you don't seem to want to accept their answers!

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 11:38AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Sam, you're being pedantic now. Yes I did say 'arrive' but i will rephrase it.

you started it with the whole failed versus test abandoned thing

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

"Your vehicle must display 'L' plates front and rear. Otherwise the test will be abandoned".

fair enough

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You asked a couple of questions which were answered in good faith. Posters have gone out of their way to help you. Now you don't seem to want to accept their answers!

if i ask a question it doesn't mean i have to accept whatever answers are given to me, right or wrong. i've got some 'imo's and some 'afaik's and some experiences from before the new laws. if it was someone else's thread i'd probably accept the answers but when it's my girlfriend facing another few months waiting for her test and some hefty fines, i'm looking for something more definite.

i can see what people are saying here. it's unlikely that the tester will ask but if it was you facing months of not being able to get to work, would you accept 'afaik' as an answer?

SheroN · 01-07-2008 11:51AM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

you started it with the whole failed versus test abandoned thing

fair enough

if i ask a question it doesn't mean i have to accept whatever answers are given to me, right or wrong. i've got some 'imo's and some 'afaik's and some experiences from before the new laws. if it was someone else's thread i'd probably accept the answers but when it's my girlfriend facing another few months waiting for her test and some hefty fines, i'm looking for something more definite.

i can see what people are saying here. it's unlikely that the tester will ask but if it was you facing months of not being able to get to work, would you accept 'afaik' as an answer?

Why did you bother asking the questions if you're not going to take any ones points on board?

Just ring up the test centre and ask them what the story is. That or sort someone out to go to the test centre with your girlfriend.

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 11:55AM

SheroN wrote: »

Why did you bother asking the questions if you're not going to take any ones points on board?

i've got some 'imo's and some 'afaik's and some experiences from before the new laws. if it was someone else's thread i'd probably accept the answers but when it's my girlfriend facing another few months waiting for her test and some hefty fines, i'm looking for something more definite.

SheroN wrote: »

Just ring up the test centre and ask them what the story is. That or sort someone out to go to the test centre with your girlfriend.

i was thinking of ringing the test centre but i can't picture them saying anything but "of course you need to have someone in the car on the way to the test". i just can't see them condoning breaking the new laws over the phone. but that wouldn't leave me any closer to knowing if they're actually going to do anything about it

sorting someone to go with the gf is of course the ideal solution

sonners · 01-07-2008 11:56AM

If its a definitive answer your looking for then ring the test centre. All your going to get here is opinions and past experiences which no longer fully apply.

Steve · 01-07-2008 11:59AM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

if i ask a question it doesn't mean i have to accept whatever answers are given to me, right or wrong. i've got some 'imo's and some 'afaik's and some experiences from before the new laws. if it was someone else's thread i'd probably accept the answers but when it's my girlfriend facing another few months waiting for her test and some hefty fines, i'm looking for something more definite.

i can see what people are saying here. it's unlikely that the tester will ask but if it was you facing months of not being able to get to work, would you accept 'afaik' as an answer?

Were you really going to let your girlfriend risk getting stopped by the guards on the way to her test based on advise you got on the internet?

You don't seem...... fukkit not going there..

Just sort out a driver and BE LEGAL like everyone else in the country must.;)

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 12:02PM

stevec wrote: »

Were you really going to let your girlfriend risk getting stopped by the guards on the way to her test based on advise you got on the internet?

You don't seem...... fukkit not going there..

well...yes. i asked in a forum with over 100,000 members if any of them saw any evidence of check points around the country and i posted the thread a week in advance of her test to give just one of those 100,000 people a chance to say they saw one. i'd consider it fairly reliable tbh.

stevec wrote: »

Just sort out a driver and BE LEGAL like everyone else in the country must.;)

well that's what i was telling her but....

Steve · 01-07-2008 12:04PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

i've got some 'imo's and some 'afaik's and some experiences from before the new laws. if it was someone else's thread i'd probably accept the answers but when it's my girlfriend facing another few months waiting for her test and some hefty fines, i'm looking for something more definite.

Youre here since 2005 with nearly 8000 posts and you started this in AH looking for serious answers....:eek:

/facepalm

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 12:06PM

stevec wrote: »

Youre here since 2005 with nearly 8000 posts and you started this in AH looking for serious answers....:eek:

/facepalm

oh ffs. yes AH has a reputation for silly answers but not every single post on every single thread is taking the piss. all it would take is one single person to give a serious answer. it does occasionally happen. for example, there have been no piss taking posts on this thread

connundrum · 01-07-2008 12:09PM

micmclo wrote: »

I can understand why this happens as people don't want to attract attention to themsleves but will they be hit with an extra fine if they get caught for driving unaccompanied and with no L plates too?
OT: What's with people who put L plates outside their car, upside down or even trim off the white part?

From [url]www.rsa.ie:[/url]

It is a penal offence for the holder of a learner permit (provisional licence) for vehicles of category B, C1, C, D1, D, EB, EC1, EC, ED1 or ED, to drive such a vehicle unless there are displayed on the vehicle rectangular plates or signs bearing the letter “L” not less than 15 centimetres high in red on a white ground, in clearly visible vertical positions to the front and rear of the vehicle.

I couldn't find anything about what fine/points an offender may receive.

TwoShedsJackson · 01-07-2008 12:10PM

People are just posting questions and hoping to get the answers they want to hear so they can carry on/start ignoring the new regulations. I guarantee if anyone gets a 'no you can no longer do that legally' response, they ignore it.

Stop looking to get your behaviour reinforced and start coping with the new regulations. Hopefully in ten years time we'll be wondering how the **** learners were ever let drive around on their own, in much the same way as most people sitting in a pub now may be thinking 'how the hell did I ever sit in here in a fog of smoke for ten years?'

Steve · 01-07-2008 12:25PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

oh ffs. yes AH has a reputation for silly answers but not every single post on every single thread is taking the piss. all it would take is one single person to give a serious answer. it does occasionally happen. for example, there have been no piss taking posts on this thread

What I meant by that was:

1. AH is the most popular forum on boards so yes, it'll get exposure but AH is also full of meaningless crap - that's the way it is. The AH charter also frowns on posting here for 'more exposure' but that doesn't really count because its up to the mods to decide what rules to apply.

2. Motors, the 2nd most popular forum on boards, which is read by people who are actually interested in motoring and where bullshit answers aren't really to be expected just might have been a better place to start it and it would certainly have gotten better 'quality' exposure.

This thread needs some silliness now so:
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/7/1/iisakompanymy128593848478406571.jpg

*please don't try this

Sam Vimes · 01-07-2008 12:30PM

stevec wrote: »

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but the important question is: has it had it's license for two years!!

WoollyRedHat · 01-07-2008 12:33PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

As the title suggests, were there any garda check points this morning trying to catch L drivers unaccompanied?

does anyone know if the gardai are actually going to enforce this or will they just use it as an excuse to fine people that annoy them while letting normal people go?

my girlfriend has her driving test on monday and she doesn't have anyone to acompany her to the test. personally i think she'd be crazy to show up at the test having just broken the law to get there in the first week of the new rules. it's one thing driving around and hoping that the gardai will let you off but as everyone knows, testers will fail you for the tiniest of reasons and i think that committing an offence that carries a €1000 fine is all the excuse they'd need.

what do people think? will she be ok if she shows up at the test with no one accompanying her?

This whole legislation is a load of crap. This existed long before today, with the exception for those on their second provisional licence, yet you had to have someone accompany you for your first, third and fourth. The only that has changed is that now all those on their second will have to have someone accompany them as well. The fact that this loophole existed in the first place is laughable.

The government don't even seem to be bothered to implent the legislation properly. If you were watching the Vincent Brown show the other night, Noel Ahern, Minister of state with speciak duties to road safety was on to discuss it and when questioned about it, it was revealed there wouldn't be a crackdown and if you were caught unaccompanied with an L plate, you could be given a warning or a fine or whatever, but then allowed to drive off. Noel Ahern didn't have a clue what he was talking about except rambling on about statistics that weren't even relevant to the question on hand. It's a sloppy piece of legislation by Fianna Fail tbh.

Steve · 01-07-2008 12:36PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

but the important question is: has it had it's license for two years!!

Not sure if it should be let out alone yet...:pac:

(dunno what happened the link, fixed now, the usual [*url=.....]....[/*url] didn't seem to work:()

keen · 01-07-2008 12:40PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

As the title suggests, were there any garda check points this morning trying to catch L drivers unaccompanied?

does anyone know if the gardai are actually going to enforce this or will they just use it as an excuse to fine people that annoy them while letting normal people go?

my girlfriend has her driving test on monday and she doesn't have anyone to acompany her to the test. personally i think she'd be crazy to show up at the test having just broken the law to get there in the first week of the new rules. it's one thing driving around and hoping that the gardai will let you off but as everyone knows, testers will fail you for the tiniest of reasons and i think that committing an offence that carries a €1000 fine is all the excuse they'd need.

what do people think? will she be ok if she shows up at the test with no one accompanying her?

The Guards aren't directly looking for L drivers on their own so there will be no checkpoints for this reason only.

JimmyCrackCorn! · 01-07-2008 01:13PM

Its raining so no:rolleyes:

greydiamond · 01-07-2008 02:46PM

Full license finally arrived this morning in the post.:D Think i may hit up the old L plates and drive around with a photocopy of my old provisional, see if I can grind a few gears:cool:

togster · 01-07-2008 02:56PM

Obey the law like everyone else should.

brick tamland · 01-07-2008 03:39PM

I've spoken to 2 garda about this over the last few days. both have told me this wont really be inforced. they may use it against someone who is obviously a bit of git. but there wont be any checkpoints out looking for unaccompanied drivers.

Wishbone Ash · 01-07-2008 04:54PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

The fact that this loophole existed in the first place is laughable

This is frequently referred to as a 'loophole' especially in the media in the past few days. It was not a loophole. It was introduced deliberately but, as it was widely abused, it has now been closed off.

Tigger · 01-07-2008 05:01PM

no
nor will there be
everyone will be fine

but don't get caught speeding cos they'll throw the book at you

January · 01-07-2008 06:30PM

What if she fails? Would she drive away from the test centre unaccompanied also?

If she were to fail the test for not being a competent enough driver, why would she drive away from the test centre knowing that?

bigpinkelephant · 01-07-2008 08:22PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

oh ffs. yes AH has a reputation for silly answers but not every single post on every single thread is taking the piss. all it would take is one single person to give a serious answer. it does occasionally happen. for example, there have been no piss taking posts on this thread

YOUR MA drives unaccompanied!!!!!!!!

bitemybanger · 01-07-2008 08:42PM

bigpinkelephant wrote: »

YOUR MA drives unaccompanied!!!!!!!!

Or does she;)

Dudess · 01-07-2008 10:53PM

There was an attempt at enforcing this in late 2002. It just fizzled out... probably because it's so ludicrous.

DjDangerousDave · 01-07-2008 11:26PM

This thread is about Garda Checkpoints and on that note:

I saw a checkpoint today in liffey vally and they were checking tax, insurance and licences. They had a car pulled over to the side and he (the cop) was holding a blue learners permit and the car had no L plates. I did not get to see what the outcome was though.

Any garda checkpoints out today?

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