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When Good Brets Go Bad

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  • #32
    kyp_durron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭kyp_durron


    Do you think Bret should put that guy in the Sharpshooter rovert?

    Edit: Would he be able to, since the stroke and all?


  • #33
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    kyp_durron wrote: »
    Do you think Bret should put that guy in the Sharpshooter rovert?

    He must do these first by law in this order:
    1. Vertical suplex
    2. Russian legsweep
    3. Backbreaker
    4. Elbowdrop from the second rope

    Remember everyone Ric Flair is a routine man Bret is NOT, just ask Bret.
    kyp_durron wrote: »
    Edit: Would he be able to, since the stroke and all?

    Was Jeff Jarrett at the Hall of Fame too?


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    validreasoning! wrote: »
    I'd like to say this surprises me, but it doesn't, just fuels my hatred for the whiny maggot. :)
    VR!


    Whiny maggot ? Cant help but think.... Pot / Kettle ?


  • #35
    kyp_durron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭kyp_durron


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whiny maggot ? Cant help but think.... Pot / Kettle ?


    Pot meet cattle.

    But seriously, I think VR could kick Brets ass.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kyp_durron wrote: »
    But seriously, I think VR could kick Brets ass.



    yeah in a whining competition :D


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  • #37
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    rovert wrote: »
    Run down the other 13 wrestlers ahead of him for me, then if it is nonsense. You point about George Best is incredibly foolish considering you know nothing about the ranking system of the book.

    1. Whipper Billy Watson
    2. Yvon Robert
    3. Killer Kowalski
    4. Mad Dog Vachon
    5. Earl McCready
    6. Gene Kiniski
    7. Roddy Piper
    8. Sky Low Low/ Little Beaver
    9. Ben & Mike Sharpe
    10. Stu Hart
    11. Abdullah the Butcher
    12. John & Chris Tolos
    13. Stomper Gouldie

    there is a guy on another forum who lives in the same town as abdullah where he was born and raised (LaSalle) and says 99.99% of his home town don't know him


  • #38
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    there is a guy on another forum who lives in the same town as abdullah where he was born and raised (LaSalle) and says 99.99% of his home town don't know him

    Credible stat (nonsense) there that misses the point of the book.


  • #39
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    rovert wrote: »
    Credible stat (nonsense) there that misses the point of the book.

    lists are a load of BS no matter what criteria you use, they only end up as pissing contests in the end as people differ in opinions


  • #40
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    lists are a load of BS no matter what criteria you use, they only end up as pissing contests in the end as people differ in opinions

    What a weird reponse to what you quoted.

    Again have you read the book? Or any other books in the series.


  • #41
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    An update from f4wonline.com:
    --A few more notes on the deal last night involving Bret Hart at the Waterloo Hall of Fame banquet. Greg Oliver posted at Wrestling Classics that no wrestlers left when Bret Hart did. The message we got from someone there stated some did, and that many of the wrestlers after were congratulating Hart for what he did. It was a real weird scene since Oliver was there to get an award with Steve Johnson. As far as the motivation, it was more based on Oliver's book review for Hart's autobiography than the rankings, although Hart never had much to do with Oliver after the 2003 book came out. Oliver's book review for Hart's book was generally positive, also.

    Maybe Bret was just having a bad day :pac:


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  • #42
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    i read this and his "heels" book and although nice reads some of the criteria he used such as longevity, number of territories they appeared and headlined means many of todays stars will automatically be downgraded. his books would be better without a numbering system imo


  • #43
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    rovert wrote: »
    When both interviews are from both parties and given their contents yes it is the inside scoop. Love the way you speak dismissively of someone who you arent familar with. Very impartial.

    You do realise that an interview only contains the information that the interviewee gives out, right? In other words you don't ascertain every shred of information from interviews. You weren't working on the Warren commission by any chance, were you rovert?
    rovert wrote:
    Run down the other 13 wrestlers ahead of him for me, then if it is nonsense. You point about George Best is incredibly foolish considering you know nothing about the ranking system of the book.

    Why would I run down a list which I feel is nonsense? In my opinion Bret Hart IS the greatest Canadian wrestler of all time and in my opinion George Best IS the greatest Northern Irish footballer of all time and I don't need to read some book which makes nonsensical claims to come to that conclusion.

    If a book came out saying the 14th best way to relax was to put your head in a microwave, would you buy the book to actually conclude whether or not this was true? Or would you, like myself, thing such a book exemplified total stupidity and chuckle at the idea of people reading such a ridiculous book?
    Fozzy wrote:
    An update from f4wonline.com:

    Maybe Bret was just having a bad day :pac:

    This is exactly my point. No one really knows what the deal is. Maybe Bret talked to the guy a few years back and Oliver acted like a complete dick?

    Two sides to every story. Someone get rovert to interview Bret!


  • #44
    kyp_durron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭kyp_durron


    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    the 14th best way to relax was to put your head in a microwave

    I just tryed this. It wasn't so bad really, there was a bad smell of cheese but overall it was pretty relaxing v0v


  • #45
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    Here's the review for those interested: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Reviews/2007/10/08/pf-4560589.html

    It's a completely positive review apart from where he says that Bret's "obsession and hatred of Shawn Michaels actually gets somewhat tiresome, though believable" and when he points out a few factual or spelling errors that are in the book. But those bits don't make it a negative review

    Bret was still out of line I think to use time dedicated to his father to pursue a personal grudge


  • #46
    kyp_durron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭kyp_durron


    I would be happy with a review like that. He said Bret is "also a way better wordsmith than the average person would expect". Perhaps there is more to this then meets the eye. Hmmm you decide!


  • #47
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    No possibility of you guys serching for a pair of Brets
    shoes on E Bay and walking in them for a while????:p


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 199 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kyp_durron wrote: »
    I just tryed this. It wasn't so bad really, there was a bad smell of cheese but overall it was pretty relaxing v0v


    But as a way to relax, was it the the best there was? The best there is? Or the best there ever will be?:D


    It sounds like Bret behaved in a bad way. He is obviously a pretty bitter guy. To some point its probably understandable, nobody likes to be screwed over by a boss when they believe they are doing their very best. He has also had a tough run of luck with his personal life. I don't think anyone could dispute that losing so many close relatives in such a short period of time is bound to have an effect on even the strongest of characters

    To dismiss him as a whiny maggot or to not give him the props he deserves as at least the most well known or popular canadian wrestler of all time (proof? when did John Tolos appear on the Simpsons ) seems a little unfair to me.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 199 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    1. Whipper Billy Watson
    2. Yvon Robert
    3. Killer Kowalski
    4. Mad Dog Vachon
    5. Earl McCready
    6. Gene Kiniski
    7. Roddy Piper
    8. Sky Low Low/ Little Beaver
    9. Ben & Mike Sharpe
    10. Stu Hart
    11. Abdullah the Butcher
    12. John & Chris Tolos
    13. Stomper Gouldie

    there is a guy on another forum who lives in the same town as abdullah where he was born and raised (LaSalle) and says 99.99% of his home town don't know him


    Is that the "little person" wrestler who Bundy squashed at Wrestlemania 3?
    Hmmm...I'm starting to see holes in this list!!!


  • #50
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    Greg Oliver was just on Wrestling Observer Live, just saying how Bret's had opportunities to talk to him in the past, in person and all, and Bret just ignored him until last night. He said that Roddy Piper called him about something that he didn't like before and Greg was happy for it so that he could learn from the situation. He said that some members of the hall of fame spoke to him later on and said that they don't feel the same way as Bret. He said that Bret brought a dampener on what was a good night up to that point


  • #51
    Bubs101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I might be missing something but was what Bret said really that bad. If his peers gave him a standing ovation the feeling can't be his alone


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  • #52
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    I might be missing something but was what Bret said really that bad. If his peers gave him a standing ovation the feeling can't be his alone

    He said that someone didn't deserve to be in the room and they hadn't made the sacrifices that wrestlers have made and either Greg leaves the room or he does. Greg stayed put so Bret walked out. Everybody there did not side with Bret. Wrestlers seem to have an "us vs them" mentality anyway, with a few drinks in them they're not going to side with an "outsider" over a wrestler causing some trouble


  • #53
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    WOW Mr.Nice Guy can play devil’s advocate (because he does know anything about the situation.)
    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    You do realise that an interview only contains the information that the interviewee gives out, right? In other words you don't ascertain every shred of information from interviews. You weren't working on the Warren commission by any chance, were you rovert?

    I do but going my both parties respoonses
    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    Why would I run down a list which I feel is nonsense?

    As you don’t know about anyone else on the list? I guessing. Quite the Wrestling historian you are.
    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    In my opinion Bret Hart IS the greatest Canadian wrestler of all time and in my opinion George Best IS the greatest Northern Irish footballer of all time and I don't need to read some book which makes nonsensical claims to come to that conclusion.

    Sorry but Canadian Wrestling has a better legacy than Northern Irish football. How can you claim the book is nonsense when you haven’t read it, don’t understand the ranking system or a decent knowledge of Canadian Wrestling history. So you've no sense of perspective when it comes to this list. Id put more stock Greg Oliver's opinion than yours as he did research everyone on the list and interview many, many people who know more than you about Canadian wrestling history. I gave you to rank them but you didn’t. You are showing bias here.
    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    If a book came out saying the 14th best way to relax was to put your head in a microwave, would you buy the book to actually conclude whether or not this was true? Or would you, like myself, thing such a book exemplified total stupidity and chuckle at the idea of people reading such a ridiculous book?

    Stupid analogy. Once again you haven’t read the book and the idea you have of it is completely simplistic. The book is one of the most researched books in Wrestling history.
    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    This is exactly my point. No one really knows what the deal is. Maybe Bret talked to the guy a few years back and Oliver acted like a complete dick?

    You put too much stock a maybe when nothing points to possibly it might be true.
    jayhaitch2 wrote: »
    Is that the "little person" wrestler who Bundy squashed at Wrestlemania 3?
    Hmmm...I'm starting to see holes in this list!!!

    Quite the frame of reference you have there.


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 199 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rovert wrote: »




    Quite the frame of reference you have there.


    I've been one sentenced by rovert. I have arrived.:D

    But i'm not really sure what your saying?

    It is the the guy who was squashed by Bundy, right?
    He is ahead of Bret on the list of Canadian wrestlers, right?
    This negates the list as credible, right?

    If i'm wrong fair enough, feel free to point me in the right direction.


  • #55
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    jayhaitch2 wrote: »
    It is the the guy who was squashed by Bundy, right?
    This negates the list as credible, right?

    So did Hulk Hogan is he not one of greatest American wrestlers?

    Do you know how old both of midgets where at the time of Wrestlemania 3, right? At their peak both put "normal wrestlers" to shame with their skill. Read the book and read the quotes from their peers.


  • #56
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Apparently Bret was more offended by Greg Oliver's (positive) review of his book:
    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Reviews/2007/10/08/4560589.html


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 199 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rovert wrote: »
    So did Hulk Hogan is he not one of greatest American wrestlers?

    Do you know how old both of midgets where at the time of Wrestlemania 3, right? At their peak both put "normal wrestlers" to shame with their skill. Read the book and read the quotes from their peers.


    Is the first sentence what you meant to write? I doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
    Are you saying Hogan was also squashed by Bundy? What does that have to do with anything?

    I'm sure they were both very fine wrestlers, but do you honestly believe they were better than Bret Hart?


  • #58
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    jayhaitch2 wrote: »
    Is the first sentence what you meant to write? I doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
    Are you saying Hogan was also squashed by Bundy? What does that have to do with anything?

    Just going by your logic:
    jayhaitch2 wrote: »
    It is the the guy who was squashed by Bundy, right?
    He is ahead of Bret on the list of Canadian wrestlers, right?
    This negates the list as credible, right?

    Once you got squashed by Bundy your whole career goes down the crapper and your accomplishments mean nothing.
    jayhaitch2 wrote: »
    I'm sure they were both very fine wrestlers, but do you honestly believe they were better than Bret Hart?

    It is not about what I believe. Its about the merits of the book's ranking system, a book which you havent read. Yet you are willing to pass judgement on it as well wrestlers ranked in the list most of whom youve seen at most maybe once.


  • #59
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Deleted User wrote: »
    yeah in a whining competition :D

    Feel better now that's off your chest? Good, now go back to playing with your signed Bret Hart action figures :)

    VR!


  • #60
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 199 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rovert wrote: »
    Just going by your logic:


    Once you got squashed by Bundy your whole career goes down the crapper and your accomplishments mean nothing.



    It is not about what I believe. Its about the merits of the book's ranking system, a book which you havent read. Yet you are willing to pass judgement on it as well wrestlers ranked in the list most of whom youve seen at most maybe once.

    I think its fair to say I did not say his career and his accomplishments meant nothing. I was merely asking if that was who the guy was. Incidentally his career did go down the crapper after that match, as he had to retire from injury sustained in it.

    How can any ranking system on professional wrestling have any merit?There are no point scoring systems.
    Its all subjective.Its all based on opinion.

    I'm suprised that Bret isn't ranked higher on the list, but at the end of the day it doesn't really mean anything. I guess that just shows the Bret is quite bitter (rightly or wrongly).


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  • #61
    ShawnRaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    jayhaitch2 wrote: »
    I think its fair to say I did not say his career and his accomplishments meant nothing. I was merely asking if that was who the guy was. Incidentally his career did go down the crapper after that match, as he had to retire from injury sustained in it.

    That's not strictly true. He did suffer the back injury but i believe he was planning on retiring shortly after that while he was on a high note. Granted my memory isn't what it was. I know Bundy was concerned as he'd hoped the injury wasn't related to his death. He died of emphysema though, so there's a pretty good chance he was a heavy smoker that could have been the cause of that.
    I'm suprised that Bret isn't ranked higher on the list, but at the end of the day it doesn't really mean anything. I guess that just shows the Bret is quite bitter (rightly or wrongly).

    I can't disagree here. So some people don't rate Bret as high as Bret rates Bret! Get over it, i remember he had a gripe with some of Flair's comments in his book too a few years back.

    VR!


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