Is it time we changed the rules here?

digiman · 21-06-2008 09:22PM #1

I know the soccer forum has a requests section were you have to get 3 people to nominate you before you can be let post there. In the last month this forum has become really annoying to read with people starting nonsense threads, derailing other threads etc. Basically everyone knows what I am on about.

I'm going to add in a poll on this.

BiffoBeater · 21-06-2008 09:30PM

This doesnt make any sense. How are new memebers expected to know 3 other members before they even join.:pac:

By your mesure this forum will only contain the regs from the live dublin scence and a few other random people who are in the know, i for one shall be voting NO:mad:.

Conbro · 21-06-2008 09:34PM

No. As much as Im irritated by the arrival of certain new posters, I loathe to support any action that hands extended powers to the moderators. Compared to other forums Ive vistied, boards is probably more heavily policed than any of them. The right to free speech cannot be denied, even if it seems that people are deliberately trying to waste our time.

Ace2007 · 21-06-2008 09:35PM

hmm - maybe you saw my post in the BBV, but i had thought of the exact same thing.

CHD · 21-06-2008 09:42PM

What would this mean for people now how do you decide whos in and out?

zuutroy · 21-06-2008 09:43PM

Conbro wrote: »

The right to free speech cannot be denied,.

There's no free speech on boards. Owners are responsible for everything published.

hotspur · 21-06-2008 09:45PM

This is so weird I was thinking the exact same thing about 5 seconds before seeing this thread. But tbh I'd almost prefer if we could just vote for certain people to be kicked out, but we can't. I can't remember ever before here reading numerous posts utterly decrying posters and wanting them gone like we have had very recently with the likes of DBC and Biffobeater today.

But yeah this forum has become very frustrating recently due to the very very low quality of posts from some of its newer members, which is a great shame. I had thought maybe it was just me, glad to see that others are as annoyed by it.

Ace2007 · 21-06-2008 09:52PM

chdpoker wrote: »

What would this mean for people now how do you decide whos in and out?

I reckon something along the lines of - mods in first, mods decide who should get in, and then everyone else has to get a referal from someone else, and if you refer more than 2/3 people who get banned then u get banned to - hence u won't risk it. basically everyone has to go through the same process, regardless wheather you have 10,000 posts or 10

digiman · 21-06-2008 09:54PM

Well it wouldn't be fair to kick people out now or anything, but all new people joining should have to be referred. In fairness there isn't that many new people posting up here and the most recent people have been trolls

Conbro · 21-06-2008 09:58PM

I reckon something along the lines of - mods in first, mods decide who should get in, and then everyone else has to get a referal from someone else, and if you refer more than 2/3 people who get banned then u get banned to - hence u won't risk it. basically everyone has to go through the same process, regardless wheather you have 10,000 posts or 10

I cringe at the thoughts of this. Sounds like a seedy little old mans club, where you have to be a third generation member to be even considered. Nobody new ever comes in, nobody challenges anyones views, we all just sit around patting each other on the back. If this is the best alternative we have to "enjoying" the company of biffobeater and the like, Ill gladly keep them.

Lurker1977 · 21-06-2008 09:59PM

While the past few days/weeks have been frustrating and I am leaning towards some form of method for curtailing trolling/LC posts, how does someone who has no connection with any poster in here get access?

Perhaps an initial temporary access should be granted for a period of weeks and at the end of the period if the poster is obviously here to partake in serious discussion/debate and is not trolling then they can get permanent access?

YULETIRED · 21-06-2008 10:00PM

Silly idea, instead have a monthly drinks session, where we all meet up and kick the crap out of each other.....

Im due a hiding myself, its been weeks

Conbro · 21-06-2008 10:01PM

There's no free speech on boards. Owners are responsible for everything published.

On the contary, free speech can always exist, in company with your second point rather than in place of it.

digiman · 21-06-2008 10:01PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

hmm - maybe you saw my post in the BBV, but i had thought of the exact same thing.

I actually hadn't seen it but I just thought enough is enough.

Fighting Irish · 21-06-2008 10:03PM

the referring thing prevents nothing, limiting access to the forum might help. let the mods decide who can post and who can't

Ace2007 · 21-06-2008 10:06PM

Conbro wrote: »

I cringe at the thoughts of this. Sounds like a seedy little old mans club, where you have to be a third generation member to be even considered. Nobody new ever comes in, nobody challenges anyones views, we all just sit around patting each other on the back. If this is the best alternative we have to "enjoying" the company of biffobeater and the like, Ill gladly keep them.

ok the idea may not be the best, but in the past week how many thread have started and got derailed - not one is getting banned from what i can see, having something similar to the soccer fourm(i don't know what it is btw) could be the answer, it may not be, but no harm it suggestions.

as for a newbie not getting in cause they know no one - there are always ways around these things.

AdMMM · 21-06-2008 10:07PM

Bad idea.

Ste05 · 21-06-2008 10:08PM

Conbro wrote: »

The right to free speech cannot be denied, even if it seems that people are deliberately trying to waste our time.

There never has and never will be a right to free speech on boards. But we certainly don't stop you saying whatever the F you want outside boards. Get a Blog and link it in your sig if there's things you wanna say that you think won't be allowed on boards, that way if you defame someone it's nothing to do with boards and you can take all the legal ramifications that may or may not come from it. If you look at the top of every single forum on boards, you might get an idea about why there can't be complete Free Speech, unless of course you want boards closed down.

As for giving us nazi mods more power, do you think we want to go trawling through hundreds of applications?

As for the idea itself:

It's an interesting idea, but how would it work in real terms?

What would be the criteria for entry? A certain number of posts outside Poker to see that the poster isn't just a moranic troll? I'm not sure how the referral system would work as Poker is kind of a more specialised area then Soccer, i.e. I'd say we have a much higher % of posters that don't post anywhere else on boards, in comparison to Soccer which probably has lots of people who post in AH and everywhere else, so it's harder for new posters who want to post about Poker to get to know people in a reasonable time in order to get a referral, and then they'll just go post on 2+2 or whereever else, we do need new posters and hope to get lucky with the next Hotspur or a replacement for Fuzz, etc and the other really good posters that have stopped posting.

While the latest troll infection is a problem, but keeping new posters coming in is important, all new posters aren't trolls and we do get the odd really good poster every now and again. So it's kind of a balancing act...

CHD · 21-06-2008 10:08PM

Just click ignore poster if you dont like someone.thats what its there for.DBC2007 is banned now and everything will ba back to normal soon,

CHILL OUT!!!

the whole year inn · 21-06-2008 10:13PM

What a terrible idea ,this is the whole idea of a public fourm this is too get different views wheter you agree or not.If the mods do there job correctly there should not be a problem.The way I see it take what you want from these fourms its never going to be perfect.

digiman · 21-06-2008 10:13PM

chdpoker wrote: »

Just click ignore poster if you dont like someone.thats what its there for.DBC2007 is banned now and everything will ba back to normal soon,

CHILL OUT!!!

Well how long before DBC2007 joins with a new name? Giving people a trial isn't the best idea either because once their trial is over they will just get a new name and be back on again on another trial.

Ace2007 · 21-06-2008 10:18PM

digiman wrote: »

Well how long before DBC2007 joins with a new name? Giving people a trial isn't the best idea either because once their trial is over they will just get a new name and be back on again on another trial.

In theory the trial isn't that bad of an idea - as mods can track ur ip address i think - so they would be able to see if you are using more than one screen name.

Ste05 · 21-06-2008 10:18PM

digiman wrote: »

Well how long before DBC2007 joins with a new name? Giving people a trial isn't the best idea either because once their trial is over they will just get a new name and be back on again on another trial.

He'll then be site banned. If he comes back with a new persona then we may turn a blind eye to it, but if it's just more of the same, he'll be banned from Poker and reported to higher-ups for a check over and a complete Site Ban.

Rb · 21-06-2008 10:19PM

I voted yes but have to agree with Ste regarding how specialised an area it is in comparison with soccer so have changed to a No.

However, I wouldn't object if the mods here got a little more heavy handed. As is it is definitely the most lightly moderated forum on the website, something which a lot of users here don't seem to realise as they only use the poker forum. The "problematic" posters of late would have been kicked out of any other forum a lot quicker, but the poker mods are a lot more patient and this attitude has made the forum what it is today, it's just unfortunate that there's a few clowns who are taking advantage of it.

So I'd say no to an entrance system but yes to less tolerance of personal abuse/muppetry/trolling particularly from newer users.

Ste05 · 21-06-2008 10:20PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

In theory the trial isn't that bad of an idea - as mods can track ur ip address i think - so they would be able to see if you are using more than one screen name.

Just FYI, we can't, but higher ups can.

All us lowly mods can do, is check what different accounts have posted from the same IP address. So while we can do what you're talking about we don't know anyone's actual IP address, but it can be got by Admins, etc.

Conbro · 21-06-2008 10:20PM

ok the idea may not be the best, but in the past week how many thread have started and got derailed - not one is getting banned from what i can see, having something similar to the soccer fourm(i don't know what it is btw) could be the answer, it may not be, but no harm it suggestions.

as for a newbie not getting in cause they know no one - there are always ways around these things.

The dreailment of threads is a recent phenomenon and I wouldnt be surprised if the different members causing obstruction are actually the same person. Im sure that once this person has had his kick and got his attention[ as were giving him here], he'll be off and we'll never hear of him again. Giving moderators the power to ban such obstructionism would be a draconian measure though in my opinion. The usefulness or otherwise of somebody's contrbution to this forum is a totally subjective matter and decisions like these should'nt be made by unpaid volunteers. We are practically handing over to them the right of admission to this forum based entirely at their discretion. As I already said, this forum is already very heavily policed, as long as nobody is passing remarks of a sexually perverse or racist nature, or making comments that may be deemed libelous, then moderators interference should be kept to a minimum.

Rb · 21-06-2008 10:21PM

digiman wrote: »

Well how long before DBC2007 joins with a new name? Giving people a trial isn't the best idea either because once their trial is over they will just get a new name and be back on again on another trial.

If he re-regs to evade the forum ban he'll have all his accounts site banned. The smods are pretty quick at picking up re-reg'd accounts anyway, although if they were banned for something lighter than spam/threats and they come back and keep their heads down they'll usually be given a chance.

Can't see DBC doing that though tbh.

Edit: What Ste said.

Rb · 21-06-2008 10:25PM

Conbro wrote: »

As I already said, this forum is already very heavily policed, as long as nobody is passing remarks of a sexually perverse or racist nature, or making comments that may be deemed libelous, then moderators interference should be kept to a minimum.

As I said above, this forum has the most lenient moderation on the website. People get away with the odd bit of personal abuse, elsewhere they'd be banned immediately for it (personal abuse is a bannable offense site wide and it's up to the mods to determine what deserves a banning and what doesn't).

A lot of poker forum users don't use the rest of the site so aren't really aware of how things go.

digiman · 21-06-2008 10:26PM

Rb wrote: »

Can't see DBC doing that though tbh.

I actually agree with you on that, but whats the odds that Giostarvas and the latest troll are the one person and I wouldn't be surprised if they were a member of here already

Rb · 21-06-2008 10:29PM

digiman wrote: »

I actually agree with you on that, but whats the odds that Giostarvas and the latest troll are the one person and I wouldn't be surprised if they were a member of here already

Well, I've sent a few usernames on to Ruu and he's either checked them out or will check them out. Anyone with two accounts will be autobanned, anyone re-reg'ing and taking the píss will be sitebanned too.

One of the mod functions, as Ste said, can cross reference accounts to IP addresses so if someone has two accounts from the same IP, it'll be detected and dealt with.

They also check for things like similarities in usernames, email addresses, IPs etc etc.

Macspower · 21-06-2008 10:29PM

I've gone from hardly posting anymore to hardly even reading anymore... always ejoyed the bb section but to have to dreg through pages and pages of crap is not my idea of fun..

ban all the idots I say... I've had enough!

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