Any PUAs out there?

Terry · 19-06-2008 09:44PM

Explain the acronyms or GTFO.

Pen1987 · 19-06-2008 10:21PM

stevelknievel wrote: »

RedXIV, I have a wedding to go to tomrrow but I would love to be at it. How regular are they? When would the next one be?

Girlinterrupted, all this community does is teach guys what women want, and how to promote those attributes in themselves. I read your posts in the other PUA thread as well. I admire your outlook and your attitude, but you must know that you are in the minority. Very few women like you out there. Most women screen guys, like prospective employers in an interview. You have to know what they want and show them you have it, or you'll never be called back for the second one.

the drinks seem to be on every few weeks.

Chatting to women like youre being judged will never result in connecting with women. Are you nervous when you go for a job interview normally?...

If your thinking that you need to change yourself for a woman your already thinking of yourself as a 'lesser' person than her. Thats never going to be a good thing when trying to attract women.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I'm no fan of the 'community' but judging by this post you don't seem to know much about it. PUAs by and large don't manipulate people, and women can't tell them apart from a 'regular person' because there is no difference. There is a lot more to it than people just walking around asking girls their opinions on x, y and z and going through pre-rehearsed conversations.

The experts MAYBE... although I still think the whole thing is totally mainstream now. The average bloke attempting to come across all sauve when theyre a 5'1 office worker with a bald patch and dodgey skin wearing ten silver rings, a big flashy coloured jacket and some mad sunglasses... indoors. Its pathetic, I've seen it, and Ive seen it from a MILE off.

I've seen decent looking mid-twenties guys try this PUA style thing aswell, and yes, again it could be seen from a mile off. You tell a 'line' has planned once you hear it aswell... natural interactions/connections dont require pre-thought out 'openers' IMHO.

Pepe LeFrits · 19-06-2008 10:51PM

What you're describing is just one particular method of 'pick-up', it is the most common one because it has been popularised by the book. There are a lot of others that have nothing to do with wearing stupid clothes, telling pre-rehearsed stories, openers, and so on. As I said, there is a lot more to it.

oranjeboom · 19-06-2008 11:15PM

Ive seen the PUA stuff 1st hand. Also a friend of mine went to a seminar a few years back. The stuff he was telling me, I almost fell over. I get why guy's want to appear more confident woman want to appear more confident too, but its the mind game aspect of it that doesn't sit comfortable with me.

stevelknievel · 20-06-2008 10:38AM

Well, as a result of this I have changed my attitude entirely to not only women but the entire social scene. That's not to say that I am using stacked stories and material. That's not to say I'm peacocking (wearing tacky, sand-out clothes to get recognised). That's not to say I have changed myself as a person. It just means I've worked on my body language, my confidence (within a group) my story telling. I've gone from being that shy, quiet introvert who tags along on nights out but just sits there and doesn't really get involved, to being a lot more vocal, energetic and all round better person in social situations. All I'm missing is the confidence to actually speak with strangers and people I'm meeting for the first time. As Pepe LeFrits said, there's a lot of different aspects to it and for the most part it is about bettering yourself as a person, which in turn leads to success with the women, not using stacks of routines and dressing strangely.

Defenestrate · 20-06-2008 10:42AM

This whole PUA thing looks like a lot of effort. Why can't you just walk up and say 'Hi'?

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oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 10:53AM

stevelknievel wrote: »

Well, as a result of this I have changed my attitude entirely to not only women but the entire social scene. That's not to say that I am using stacked stories and material. That's not to say I'm peacocking (wearing tacky, sand-out clothes to get recognised). That's not to say I have changed myself as a person. It just means I've worked on my body language, my confidence (within a group) my story telling. I've gone from being that shy, quiet introvert who tags along on nights out but just sits there and doesn't really get involved, to being a lot more vocal, energetic and all round better person in social situations. All I'm missing is the confidence to actually speak with strangers and people I'm meeting for the first time. As Pepe LeFrits said, there's a lot of different aspects to it and for the most part it is about bettering yourself as a person, which in turn leads to success with the women, not using stacks of routines and dressing strangely.

While I understand you want to gain more confidence which is great and more power to you but the logic behind the whole thing is to think that girls are thick and will respond to certain behaviour. The thing about not focusing on the girl you like and insulting her in a subtle way, and focusing on her friend instead is well treating girls or women as if they are think. Ffs women with any bit of cop on can see a twit coming a mile of whether he is pea cocking or not, whether he is searging (sp) or not. If you want to be with a woman who has a brain then your technique isn't going to work.

chopperbyrne · 20-06-2008 11:12AM

Defenestrate wrote: »

This whole PUA thing looks like a lot of effort. Why can't you just walk up and say 'Hi'?

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Exactly.

Pepe LeFrits · 20-06-2008 11:46AM

Can I just clarify one thing – PUA, or pick-up, chatting-up, pulling, whatever you want to call it – isn’t what you’re talking about. You’re talking about the ‘Mystery Method’ that was popularised by The Game. It’s like you’re saying that sport is a load of crap of because sport is just a bunch of guys running around a field kicking a ball and feigning injury. That isn’t sport; that’s one particular type of sport.

oranjeboom wrote: »

While I understand you want to gain more confidence which is great and more power to you but the logic behind the whole thing is to think that girls are thick and will respond to certain behaviour.

It isn’t thinking girls are thick. Moreover people DO respond in certain ways to certain behaviour. You compliment someone and they’ll feel good, you insult them and they’ll tell you to fvck off. A person can be as intelligent or as stupid as you like, they’ll still respond to certain stimuli in the same manner.

The thing about not focusing on the girl you like and insulting her in a subtle way, and focusing on her friend instead is well treating girls or women as if they are think. Ffs women with any bit of cop on can see a twit coming a mile of whether he is pea cocking or not, whether he is searging (sp) or not. If you want to be with a woman who has a brain then your technique isn't going to work.

I don’t like it much either but the notion that it only works on stupid women is completely and utterly wrong. The idea behind this particular type of pick-up is the guy using it simultaneously makes himself appear desirable while making the girl feel that he isn’t interested in her. Smart women, no, smart people, are just as susceptible to wanting what they can’t have as less intelligent people are. It is only obvious that the person is using a technique or a method if they aren’t very good at it. If they are good at it then it comes across as being ‘natural’ (ostensibly because by repeating the behaviour again and again, it has become natural to them).

Defenestrate wrote: »

This whole PUA thing looks like a lot of effort. Why can't you just walk up and say 'Hi'?

Presumably because assuming that the guy doesn’t get told where to go after saying hi, an entire conversation has to follow that and a lot of guys struggle with that

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:09PM

Of course most people have heard of this from 'The Game', it is what brought this to the puplic forum, but its not the only source available. AFAIK from listening to people who have been to workshops and the like is that it undermines women. I have no problem with men or women for that matter doing whatever they feel to gain more confidence, and I do understand that people respond to certain stimuli BUT in my opinion it smells a bit like manipulation in a sinister way. Why cant a guy be himself, its very hard to keep up a facade of falseness and that is what I feel guys are doing. Its being false.

Earthhorse · 20-06-2008 12:11PM

oranjeboom wrote: »

Why cant a guy be himself, its very hard to keep up a facade of falseness and that is what I feel guys are doing. Its being false.

Yes, unlike everyone else out there on the dating scene who are all totally being themselves. No one's fronting, not one bit.

Only difference with PUAs is that they admit it.

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:16PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Yes, unlike everyone else out there on the dating scene who are all totally being themselves. No one's fronting, not one bit.

Only difference with PUAs is that they admit it.

Well obviously people dont wear their heart on their sleeves all of the time its not like your going to tell our life story in a matter of minutes, but I dont think the only difference with PUA's is they admit it. It is a different kettle of fish. PUA's go out of their way to hide their true selves.

RedXIV · 20-06-2008 12:21PM

oranjeboom wrote: »

Well obviously people dont wear their heart on their sleeves all of the time its not like your going to tell our life story in a matter of minutes, but I dont think the only difference with PUA's is they admit it. It is a different kettle of fish. PUA's go out of their way to hide their true selves.

As i said in the other thread, if you condemn people who try to learn this, then you must equally condemn any women reading magazines with "how to keep your guy happy in bed!" or "What guys really want?"

Women have had the resources for years and thanks to basic social instincts, women have had an advantage in all social situations. you can argue if you want but thats the facts. girls get approached, guys do the approaching as a general rule. The fact that guys might become better at presenting themselves seems to irritate and scare alot of women. What if i was to point out that quite a bit of the PUA stuff came straight from a guide book on how to be successful on job interviews? people wouldn't be complaining then, it's a form of bettering yourself and some people can get alot of good out of this

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:27PM

RedXIV wrote: »

As i said in the other thread, if you condemn people who try to learn this, then you must equally condemn any women reading magazines with "how to keep your guy happy in bed!" or "What guys really want?"

Women have had the resources for years and thanks to basic social instincts, women have had an advantage in all social situations. you can argue if you want but that's the facts. girls get approached, guys do the approaching as a general rule. The fact that guys might become better at presenting themselves seems to irritate and scare a lot of women. What if i was to point out that quite a bit of the PUA stuff came straight from a guide book on how to be successful on job interviews? people wouldn't be complaining then, it's a form of bettering yourself and some people can get a lot of good out of this

I do agree that for year's women have been able to tap into advice much easier then men, but I have seen blokes change from being nice guys to pure arse-wipes through this PUA thing. Im not condemning anyone for anything. If someone feels they need to do this to get more confidence then great. It doesn't irritate me than men want to present themselves in a better way. I would say more power to them BUT to me some aspects of this system seem a little bit dishonest. Its just my thoughts on the situation. I dont want to argue with you or anyone. We are ALL entitled to our opinion. We all dont have to agree.

Yes it is true that men have in the past had to be the ones to approach women but times are changing.

RedXIV · 20-06-2008 12:30PM

*shrug* well group the guys that turn into arseholes after this with the girls that turned into sluts. i know plenty of guys who did this and turned out as perfect gentlemen just with better social tools.

You can't blame the method for the people it produces. thats like blaming a knife for stabbing someone

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:32PM

RedXIV wrote: »

*shrug* well group the guys that turn into arseholes after this with the girls that turned into sluts. i know plenty of guys who did this and turned out as perfect gentlemen just with better social tools.

You can't blame the method for the people it produces. thats like blaming a knife for stabbing someone

Oh like guns don't shoot people, people shoot people. :rolleyes:

Earthhorse · 20-06-2008 12:32PM

No one's saying it's all good oranjeboom, but it's not all bad either.

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:44PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

No one's saying it's all good oranjeboom, but it's not all bad either.

No Im not saying its all bad either. Maybe I have just seen a lot of the bad.

Pepe LeFrits · 20-06-2008 01:25PM

oranjeboom wrote: »

Oh like guns don't shoot people, people shoot people. :rolleyes:

Not like that at all, but I think you know that already.

I do agree that for year's women have been able to tap into advice much easier then men, but I have seen blokes change from being nice guys to pure arse-wipes through this PUA thing.

I doubt that. More likely the case is that they were arseholes before, they just didn’t have the confidence to project it.

I agree in that I find the method of picking up women somewhat distasteful. I wouldn’t so much describe it as dishonest but as artificial and it doesn’t sit well with me. However there are a lot of other methods that are very forthcoming and honest which I don’t see anything wrong with at all.

bluepoma · 17-10-2008 02:12PM

stevelknievel wrote: »

I'm a RAFC in Dublin city looking to go sarging the pubs and clubs. Are there any PUAs or other RAFCs interested in doing the same?

r u still around? if u are why not! drop me an email.

poma

tracyharris · 21-06-2009 12:35AM

Found this hilarious. Stephen Nolan, a wexford hurler is trying to set up a company teaching PUA (pick up artist) techniques. This video is a video of Nolan and a friend showcasing their "talents". Its funny because they are so stupid but think they are actually good. Watch for yourself. I found it here

http://adventuresofacurlygirl.wordpr.../nuclear-boyz/

And here is the hilarity. Watch them make fools of themselves...

http://www.motionbox.com/videos/7a9fdfb21e19e9caf5

As a girl I find this stuff incredibly thick and insulting!

Jesus Juice · 21-06-2009 01:30AM

stevelknievel wrote: »

I'm a RAFC in Dublin city looking to go sarging the pubs and clubs. Are there any PUAs or other RAFCs interested in doing the same?

Zuh?
Is this some new fangled D4 speak or what?

K-9 · 21-06-2009 01:40AM

Jesus Juice wrote: »

Zuh?
Is this some new fangled D4 speak or what?

Think his username says alot.

Still why would a new poster drag up a year old thread like this?

Jesus Juice · 21-06-2009 01:44AM

K-9 wrote: »

Think his username says alot.

Still why would a new poster drag up a year old thread like this?

lol and I dunno its not even funny or interesting what is there to discuss!?

I didnt even notice how old it was

consultech · 21-06-2009 02:04AM

EDIT: Oh, it's an old-ass thread. Nevermind.

Any PUAs out there?

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