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Team Sub Forums - Please have a look and a vote.

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  • #32
    Thanx 4 The Fish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    Yes
    Neither do I and if it was not for this post I would not have gone and had a look, I do peer around other forums but that is not one that I frequent.


  • #33
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    I voted yes an hour ago. The Soccer forum is becoming very unwieldy, the super-threads are becoming more and more hard to follow and the converstaion seems to change direction after about 5 or 6 posts on average, and in general many discussions die an early death as they drop off the main page.

    However, I've changed my mind, at least on the fan forums bit. what makes this forum successful is the fan interaction between various sides, and team sub forums could compromise on this.

    however i think there is a serious need to bring a more order to the forum, and to split the main forum into a couple of forums doesn't seem a bad idea; we get more traffic in the general forum than some categories it seems and I actually think this could be expanded upon given the correct infrastructure.

    perhaps we should have forums for the major competitions? like the premier league, europe, international football perhaps? or perhaps discussion type categories, one sub for transfer discussion only, one forum for match threads? either way i think a solution to divide up the forum and make it a more conducive of discussion and better functioning, while at the same time maintaining the general cross-club appeal, can be found. sure we've so many users here one of us is bound to come up with a decent idea if we choose this direction.


  • #34
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,080 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yes
    Out and out NO from me. I've tried going on a lot of football forum's and this one is consistently the best. More interaction between fans of different teams, more 'devils advocate' styled posts in team threads and because of everyone being heaped together a lot of the vitriol between teams is lessened (not all the time obviously, but theres a lot less of it relative to any other forum i've seen).

    I know what people are saying about it being too cluttered, but thats what i love about it - its a one stop shop. On other sites where i have to go between team, general, international, spanish, italian etc etc sub forums its just tedious, i prefer all being up here together. Whatever is interesting keeps attention. As a rule i prefer posting when i know someone is gonna post again on the topic pretty soon, makes it more conversation like. with subforums i could see a lot mroe topics being generated and a lower and less constant rate of replies.

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  • #35
    Dub13
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    Yes
    DesF wrote: »
    Thanks a lot.Does this imply there will be more?


    It was just a off the cuff remark no plans for more but I think it shows we will listen to peoples views.
    DesF wrote: »
    But, this thread serves no real purpose then, in my opinion.

    IF the "on the ground" consensus goes against the mod consensus, will the mods go to the admins with their own agenda, or with the views of the users?

    The thing is the Mods have made our views known about this issue to the Admins,at the end of the day its an Admin decision and whatever they come up with we will all have to live with mods and users.

    DesF wrote: »
    With all due respect, and I use no malice or anything here, but I find that extremely disingenuous and dismissive. Fair play to you for taking the time to reply, but that request thread has a LOT of posts in it.

    I am sorry if it came across as disingenuous and dismissive it was not ment to be,two things made me not post my views on this thread.1)I was watching the water polo game and 2)I did not want to boar people with them again if they are already after reading them on the other thread.

    For the record.I think its a bad idea,as said it will dilute the soccer forum.

    DesF wrote: »
    Fair enough, and judging by the votes so far in the poll, that holds up..

    I ask again. If a majority of users go against this, what then?

    Again this is not up to us this is an Admin call ether way.

    DesF wrote: »
    Taken on board, and to be honest it was just something that I threw out there more so than a set in stone opinion of mine.

    Your feedback was appreciated.

    DesF wrote: »
    Cat Mods are only Cat Mods in their own Cat, no?.

    Yes of course,what I meant by that comment was,Its my view that CatMods tend to be on line alto simple due to the fact they have so many forums to look after.I know I would not have taken on the role of a CMod if I could not dedicate a good chunk of time to been on line.This was in response to the suggestion that we may need more mods,my point been we have plenty of mods 3 been Cmods who would tend IMO to be on line alot.


    *************

    Some other thoughts.
    DesF wrote: »
    If there is a "sizable majority", which there certainly seems to be, will the mods recommend some sort of accomodation scenario. I don't even know what that could be.?.

    I am sure we would,a good idea is a good idea.
    DesF wrote: »
    When a decision is made, will the issue be put to bed?


    I would like to think whatever happens this time it will put an end to this as it seems every few months this pops up.

    DesF wrote: »
    Is this thread for discussing all issues raised in that request thread, or just the particular issue of the sub forums? I explicitly refer to the current perma-ban situation of some posters. If this topic is not-allowed to be discussed, fair enough, I won't mention it again.


    I would say its best to just use this thread for team sub forums as its such a big 'issue' and gets a lot of posts.But feel free to discuss the rules on other threads as I welcome feedback good and bad.


  • #36
    ShoulderChip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭ShoulderChip


    Yes
    People wont even post in the chelsea thread as it is.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055305123


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  • #37
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Yes
    Would there be a Rangers Subforum? For me and .........me?:eek:


  • #38
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    Eirebear wrote: »
    Would there be a Rangers Subforum? For me and .........me?:eek:
    I'd join you.


  • #39
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Swap Reading with City/Barcelona/Wycombe and you have my exact thoughts.


    Whats the point in creating sub forums if they'll get no traffic.

    If there would be traffic in City/Barcelona/Wycombe forums, then Im all for them


  • #40
    delija_sever029
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭delija_sever029


    Yes,some bigger fan groups would be easier organised and let rest of forum out of threads about their team everyday more calm.On the other hand maybe it wouldnt be fair coz everyone can ask to get subforum for his own team.Maybe it would be fair to have some pool and vote what subforums we want and clubs with most fans should get a subforum


  • #41
    Keano
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭Keano


    Yes
    I would like to see a championship thread and league 1 thread thats enough for me.


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  • #42
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    It a big YES for me. The soccer forum is way too restricted at the minute, everything gets lobbed into the superthreads and it can be impossible to find any cohesive discusssion on seperate topics when they're all jammed into the one thread.


  • #43
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    pvt.joker wrote: »
    Whats the point in creating sub forums if they'll get no traffic.

    If there would be traffic in City/Barcelona/Wycombe forums, then Im all for them
    Answer my points as to why the sub forums are needed.

    Because at the moment popular opinion, the opinion of the mods, and I'd suggest, ultimately, the opinion of the Admins will be swayed by them.

    The "Yes" people need to start trying to convince others I think.
    Keano A Legend wrote: »
    I would like to see a championship thread and league 1 thread thats enough for me.

    erm...start them then.:confused:


  • #44
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Yes
    I agree virtually 100% with PHBs posts in the other thread.

    The way to do it i reckon is for daily/****e topics....... ie Rafas goatee/linked with blah blah/me fancying Torres/Tusky being the ultimate pessimist/what striker Utd fans would want/is dong there only to sell jerseys etc etc to go into the superthreads....then for the larger stories.....Ronaldo to Real Madrid/Barry to Liverpool etc to have their own thread. It is quite obvious the topics that merit their own thread.

    This would make the superthreads much easier to follow as its the controversial ones like the later ones i mentioned that drive the heated discussion and quickley build up pages and pages of discussion.

    Again, the sub forums idea is ridiculous, it was ridiculous when Liverpool fans wanted it, and its ridiculous now.


  • #45
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Yes
    DesF wrote: »
    I'd join you.

    Shhhh! You'll wake ONYD up.......:p

    As for the Sub-Forums a big and loud NO from me.

    I use this forum BECAUSE of the cross section of fans.

    Where else will you get Eircom League Fans, SPL fans, Premiership fans and whatever else there is out there all in one place?
    Boards.ie should be embracing that rather than talking about splitting it up.

    I'm sure everyone has their own forums dedicated to the team they support if thats the kind of thing they want, but this one is a breath of fresh air when it comes to guaging other supporters opinions and ideas.

    Yes, arguments happen but thats life, i moderate a fairly large Rangers forum, and some of the arguments on there are a lot more serious than the ones you see on here.


  • #46
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,016 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Yes
    Eirebear wrote: »
    Shhhh! You'll wake ONYD up.......:p

    As for the Sub-Forums a big and loud NO from me.

    I use this forum BECAUSE of the cross section of fans.

    Where else will you get Eircom League Fans, SPL fans, Premiership fans and whatever else there is out there all in one place?
    Boards.ie should be embracing that rather than talking about splitting it up.

    I'm sure everyone has their own forums dedicated to the team they support if thats the kind of thing they want, but this one is a breath of fresh air when it comes to guaging other supporters opinions and ideas.

    Yes, arguments happen but thats life, i moderate a fairly large Rangers forum, and some of the arguments on there are a lot more serious than the ones you see on here.

    *Goes off to find said forum and register as OhNoYouDidnt*


  • #47
    bohsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    I dont think theres much difference between throwing everything into a sticky and throwing everything into a subforum. Its going to be two less threads on the 1st page of the soccer foum.


  • #48
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    bohsman wrote: »
    I dont think theres much difference between throwing everything into a sticky and throwing everything into a subforum. Its going to be two less threads on the 1st page of the soccer foum.

    exactly.


  • #49
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    DesF wrote: »
    Answer my points as to why the sub forums are needed.

    Because at the moment popular opinion, the opinion of the mods, and I'd suggest, ultimately, the opinion of the Admins will be swayed by them.

    The "Yes" people need to start trying to convince others I think.
    pvt.joker wrote: »
    exactly.
    Come on, that all you got?


  • #50
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    DesF wrote: »
    Come on, that all you got?

    well in fairness I did make this post, which nobody engaged with. from the other threads joker and I share the same (or at least a similar) opinion on this...


  • #51
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    DesF wrote: »
    Come on, that all you got?


    There's a massive thread over on sys->forums that has all of the arguments outlined in it.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055281186


    I think that the soccer forum has grown beyond it's capability.
    The number of posts on it and judging by the amount of people looking for access to soccer also, it's only going to get worse.
    It was fine and has been excellent up until a few months ago but it's way too cluttered, in particular the superthreads. I have read what PHB proposed to do with the superthreads...i.e create more superthreads per team (matches/transfers/etc) and that will only make the forum more cluttered.

    In my opinion, a case should be made for each sub forum on its own merits. The united fans have made a case for one in sys->forums. If Liverpool fans want one, they can make a case too, as can City/Leeds/Reading/Rangers/Wycombe/Shels fans. The admins will then decide if each sub-forum will have sufficient traffic to merit its own sub forum.


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  • #52
    SantryRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Yes
    pvt.joker wrote: »
    There's a massive thread over on sys->forums that has all of the arguments outlined in it.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055281186


    I think that the soccer forum has grown beyond it's capability.
    The number of posts on it and judging by the amount of people looking for access to soccer also, it's only going to get worse.
    It was fine and has been excellent up until a few months ago but it's way too cluttered, in particular the superthreads. I have read what PHB proposed to do with the superthreads...i.e create more superthreads per team (matches/transfers/etc) and that will only make the forum more cluttered.

    In my opinion, a case should be made for each sub forum on its own merits. The united fans have made a case for one in sys->forums. If Liverpool fans want one, they can make a case too, as can City/Leeds/Reading/Rangers/Wycombe/Shels fans. The admins will then decide if each sub-forum will have sufficient traffic to merit its own sub forum.

    Who do you support? And who ever it is then why don't you just find a forum on a different site that is just for them fans.

    The soccer forum on Boards gets so much traffic and good discussion(most of the time) because it has such a mix of fans.

    Making sub forums would ruin it.


  • #53
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    All I can see is that United fans want a place where no other fans are allowed to post, or more to the point, only fans that they WANT to interact with are allowed to post.

    Boards.ie isn't about that.

    Other fan sites are, Red Issue, Red Café. What is wrong with these places? Why do these places not cater to these needs? What would the difference be?

    POST#253 in that thread
    united fans have requested it, there is demand for it, so i really cant see what the problem is. 40-50 members would make for a top class board, i can see that and more being interested. only thing that needs clarification is -

    who would mod it? it has to be united fans and there is no doubting that.
    would it be private like soccer or public like the ticket/access/boards team forums?
    and would it be united fans only (would have to be private i guess then)?

    my suggestions would be to make it private, totally seperate to the main forum but allow anybody to join. i certainly wouldnt mind the likes of xavi, mr alan etc on it as it would add a bit of spice and make it more interesting definately.

    So, allow only United people to post, then cherry pick the others.

    Why are United fans afraid of the main forum? It makes no sense to me. None whatsoever.

    Why should I, as a non-fan of Man Utd have to read about ManYoo related incidents in two, or more parts of Boards.

    I fear for Soccer if this precedent is set, the forum will die, and the sub-forums will become clique-ey and horrible places to post.


  • #54
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Who do you support? And who ever it is then why don't you just find a forum on a different site that is just for them fans.

    The soccer forum on Boards gets so much traffic and good discussion(most of the time) because it has such a mix of fans.

    Making sub forums would ruin it.

    I support Man U. Why should I find a forum on a different site just for them fans :confused:. I would prefer to discuss it with like minded fans from boards.ie

    Why would sub forums ruin it? Can you provide an example of where something like this has happened on boards.ie before and it's been ruined?

    Has the television forum been ruined by the creation of many sub forums? (answer=no)

    Has the music forum been ruined by the creation of many sub forums?
    (answer=no)

    Has the video games forum been ruined by the creation of many sub forums?
    (answer=no)


    They have thrived, and that is what I believe will happen if teams are given sub forums. I believe it is a very backward way of doing things (one giant forum) and discourages new posters from posting as they are intimidated by the sheer size and scale of superthreads.


  • #55
    Nalz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,061 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Yes
    DesF wrote: »
    .

    Why are United fans afraid of the main forum? It makes no sense to me. None whatsoever.

    Not all United fans though. I agree with DesF this cant happen


  • #56
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    DesF wrote: »
    All I can see is that United fans want a place where no other fans are allowed to post, or more to the point, only fans that they WANT to interact with are allowed to post.

    Boards.ie isn't about that.

    Other fan sites are, Red Issue, Red Café. What is wrong with these places? Why do these places not cater to these needs? What would the difference be?

    POST#253 in that thread


    So, allow only United people to post, then cherry pick the others.

    Why are United fans afraid of the main forum? It makes no sense to me. None whatsoever.

    Why should I, as a non-fan of Man Utd have to read about ManYoo related incidents in two, or more parts of Boards.

    I fear for Soccer if this precedent is set, the forum will die, and the sub-forums will become clique-ey and horrible places to post.

    Come on, you are quoting one of the most biased United fans I've ever met there :D He has his own way of posting that takes getting used to :p

    There are a lot more balanced arguments and reasons in that thread.

    I have no interest in posting on redcafe etc. I want to do it here, on a united forum , in an uncluttered and friendly place free of trolls.


  • #57
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    pvt.joker wrote: »
    I support Man U. Why should I find a forum on a different site just for them fans :confused:. I would prefer to discuss it with like minded fans from boards.ie

    So get all your sub forum supporters and go and join one of them. Why can't that happen? Why does it HAVE to be on Boards.ie

    The Soccer forum is one of the most successful and well run communities on Boards.ie.

    All I see people wanting is a place where they can get away with calling Liverpool "scum" and not be banned for it.

    Another point raised is that the supporters of this sub forum want a place where they can post "hassle free". Who, or where, is this "hassle" coming from?

    Fans of other teams with opposing views? You want a rose garden where everyone agrees? Why?

    Biased Mods?

    Anit-United feeling? Are you not anti-other teams?

    Seems to me that United fans want a haven away from reality.

    That is already provided for on the internet, the forums are not to my tatse, and I'd hate to see Boards.ie go down this road.

    And I don't believe it will.


  • #58
    Spud83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Spud83


    Yes
    DesF wrote: »
    So get all your sub forum supporters and go and join one of them. Why can't that happen? Why does it HAVE to be on Boards.ie

    The Soccer forum is one of the most successful and well run communities on Boards.ie.

    All I see people wanting is a place where they can get away with calling Liverpool "scum" and not be banned for it.

    Another point raised is that the supporters of this sub forum want a place where they can post "hassle free". Who, or where, is this "hassle" coming from?

    Fans of other teams with opposing views? You want a rose garden where everyone agrees? Why?

    Biased Mods?

    Anit-United feeling? Are you not anti-other teams?

    Seems to me that United fans want a haven away from reality.

    That is already provided for on the internet, the forums are not to my tatse, and I'd hate to see Boards.ie go down this road.

    And I don't believe it will.

    Please stop saying Utd fans we dont all want this (I dont).


  • #59
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    pvt.joker wrote: »
    I have no interest in posting on redcafe etc. I want to do it here, on a united forum , in an uncluttered and friendly place free of trolls.

    If someone is trolling, use this report.gif

    Either you don't trust the mods to make the decision, or you are way too sensitive.

    What you shouldn't do is rise to them, it's what they want.

    Then stick them on ignore, you are then magically free of trolls.

    Or, in your opinion, is a troll someone who holds a view contrary to the view you and other United die-hards have?


  • #60
    Nalz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,061 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Yes
    pvt.joker wrote: »
    an uncluttered and friendly place free of trolls.

    Report them when Trolling the Man Utd thread. MAybe have a "fair" United supporter(s) modding the United thread as an alternative option


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  • #61
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Yes
    alanmurphy83 wrote: »
    Please stop saying Utd fans we dont all want this (I dont).

    I didn't say "utd fans" or "utd supporters" once in the post you quoted.

    I'm specifically referring to people who support the notion of sub forums.


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