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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ornat


    andrew163 wrote: »
    I came online this evening to find someone calling my girlfriend a dog, lovely

    Can I just ask why no one seemed to cause a fuss when last year's committee got so much abuse (Kat and "failchair" in particular).

    The whole point of running for committee is to actually make a difference within the society - because you care about it, right? Where was everyone at the AGM while running for the positions? I personally wouldn't go for it because of the hassle that committee got last year for trying to make Redbrick a first year friendly place. Isn't that what all these hard feelings really are about? I'm sick of the constant bickering and bitchiness to be honest and I don't even know why the committee would stay to keep a society running for so many members who seem to constantly insult them...

    There are so many feelings that have been hurt over the year that I believe has spawned these rather... hostile feelings between some redbrick members and the committee. Robby being elected as chair was quite a controversy to begin with... mainly because it appeared (from what I was told) that he decided to run for chair last minute, urged by many of the failchair lobbyists, also the anti-Kat campaign who were mainly eager to see someone besides Kat as chair. I don't doubt Robby's ability as a chair of a society, and I'm sure he'll make a good job of Gamesoc this year, as he has been involved since day one.

    I just feel like some members have been rather cruel about the entire situation. I don't think it is fit to have called someone failchair all year and then all of a sudden call someone else winchair because they're happy it isn't the other person who's chair... There's far too much bad vibes going on.

    The behaviour of the admins was unacceptable, but if you went through what they went through this year with the constant downers people put on them, and all of a sudden glorifying someone who has yet to show their commitment to the society, you would probably have done the same... if you think about it. I don't think any other committee in DCU have ever gotten as much stick as they have.

    It'd be rightly done if they had sat on their asses all day and let servers stay broken, and let hackers continue to hack... but they try their best and isn't it the effort that matters? People make mistakes as they're only human, and these people don't have their degrees yet and are putting so much into the server administration.

    I honestly don't think I'll be joining redbrick again next year. I'm absolutely sick of hearing all of these constant insults as if people didn't have feelings. We all get carried away with emotions from time to time, and it's as if some members in Redbrick feel like the committee don't have any feelings. It's disgraceful how people feel so much bolder behind a terminal and think it's funny insulting someone is funny because of how they react but they never stop to think that the other person might just have been really hurt by what they said... It just makes me angry... and I don't get angry very much, except for last night... which is when all of this really started to bother me.

    Also there have never been problems like this before because of the fact that no committee has ever been as hated as much before... Redbrick is getting older and the amount of members are growing and it's much harder to look after, especially for a couple students.

    The admins are admins because they're nerdy, they want more servers to play with... it's hard for a student to afford what the server room has! Please go through logs and find examples of the admins trying to be almighty ops on IRC... when they're NOT taking the piss.

    Anyways, rant over. I hope some of you will grow up a bit. I think the committee next year (whether current or newly elected) should really look into some kind of anti-bullying bit to add to the constitution, because Redbrick is just infested with it... I think the behaviour of some of the members this year has been completely uncalled for and has definitely provoked some of the outgoing committee.

    It's just gotten messier and messier. If anything, this entire situation should be learnt from, moved on and Robby given another chance (if he wants it, but only if he wants it, which is a choice that he'll have to make, not his winchair campaigners - chairing 2 societies is a lot of work)

    sorry for the long rant, but it just had to be said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭TomCo


    ornat wrote: »
    Also there have never been problems like this before because of the fact that no committee has ever been as hated as much before... Redbrick is getting older and the amount of members are growing and it's much harder to look after, especially for a couple students.

    I thought membership was stagnant/declining?
    It would be interesting as an aside to see the figures on that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ornat


    I more of meant that there are increasing numbers of members as people graduate every year and tend to stick around for redbrick services such as sites and to keep in touch with college friends. They were a lot more passionate about it in those days. In a good way. Less bitchiness, I think, seeing as everyone keeps saying how great it was a few years ago.

    By the looks of it (judging from this thread) there will be definitely a decrease in overall members next year though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Z?


    I could be wrong, but I feel that some of the animosity that is shown towards the committee this and last year, is more due to personal dislike of the people, than their abilities/beliefs. I know I dislike a few.Less so this year than last year.
    These people seem to have come together to want to be the people in charge of redbrick. Which is unlucky.

    On the other hand, A lot of the people who bitch are doing it to troll to some extent. As they feel that things were better in the past. Halcyon Days or what have you. These people are all a group of mates with is also a main problem.

    The thing is you will always have a group of people who disagree with the committee. It just happens that the current group is more vocal.

    Now when it comes down to the nitty gritty, Yes the people who bitched at robby were wrong, but robby ran as a pisstake. We all know this. There is no point denying it. I would say he got elected on the basis that he was not Kat. This may sound bad, but it is the consensus of many people. And i know for some that some of the committee seriously objected to robby being made chair.

    If anyone should resign it should be Cian for his idiotic remarks. But Robby has quit. And I doubt he would return. I know I would if i was in his place. That sort of animosity cannot be ignored.

    That is my 2cents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭robby^5


    Z? wrote: »
    Now when it comes down to the nitty gritty, Yes the people who bitched at robby were wrong, but robby ran as a pisstake. We all know this. There is no point denying it.

    Actually I didn't consider it a pisstake at all (although I hadn't really fully decided to run until the last minute because I didn't think anyone would vote for me), some people may have voted to take the piss out of redbrick but I didn't run as a pisstake... why would I have bothered to stay on if I did it as a pisstake? I'd have resigned the next day. I fully accept people voted for me simply because I wasn't kat, it's called having a choice.
    What does half of this log have to do with anything? Evidently you didn't edit them well enough.

    The cmte decided to cite events in these logs in some detail and I think it acceptable that the members should be shown a source, as if they were minutes of a meeting. Anyway its done now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Attol


    The amount of b!tching is getting insane at this point. I was very reluctant to take a position on committee this year and at this stage I'm very much wondering why the hell I ended up doing it. The reason why I was initially reluctant to take it was because I was told of this kind of sh!t that went on. I now realise that the accounts I got off people were far tamer than the reality. It seems like a rule that the entire committee is hated. There have been comments such as the committee should be re-elected etc. At the AGM there were so few people running that most of the positions were uncontested, bar chair and PRO and Z? summarised the whole chair position pretty accurately, which is a shame IMO. If people are going to drag personal things into committee issues then I'm not sure I want any part of this in case I ever do anything wrong. Dragging people's girlfriends/boyfriends/personal lives into committee issues is just wrong and immature.

    Grow the f*ck up already.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭tnkrbell


    What does half of this log have to do with anything? Evidently you didn't edit them well enough.

    I think half the logs do have to do with this.It shows how nice committee members can be one minute and how they can change in the blink of an eye to be abusive to a fellow committee member.

    Everyone is going on about how abusive members of RB are to committee members anyone ever think about the abuse some committee members have given to members (abuse is probably too strong of a word).I for one remember one such incident were one particular member (they were on the committee when this incident occurred) were in a certain channel which would have members from other colleges said quite a malicious comment with regard to a member and a member who i would have put as being respected by a lot of members both current and associate.When I asked this member who the comment was made about it turned out to be lies.
    I just think that people who are saying that omg its terrible committee are being abused etc etc really need to step back and have a look at some of the insults that committee members past and present have made to members both on IRC and off
    cooker3 wrote: »
    Omg there are 2 tnkrbells!
    Its either your lucky day or unlucky day ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 shadow4798


    Slightly off-topic, but someone was looking for membership numbers:

    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~shadow/actmay08.jpg

    That shows how many different people have been active each month for the last 8 years. Hopefully something can be done this coming year about the downward trend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭Will


    Shadow comes through once again. :D


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭dregin


    Right. This has gone completely off the point.

    Robby is not the person who should be resigning. In my opinion lil_cain and receive are the people who should be gone. Their attitude in not only this incident, but in general is extrememly damaging to the society.

    P.S. In any dealings I've had with werdz he has been extremely helpful and has never once given me any reason to doubt that he's one of the best admins redbrick has had to date. I don't know Johan at all and I've never had any dealings with him.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭dregin


    P.P.S. Stop PMing me. Please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 a.nonymus


    dregin wrote: »
    Robby is not the person who should be resigning. In my opinion lil_cain and receive are the people who should be gone. Their attitude in not only this incident, but in general is extrememly damaging to the society.

    Seconded.

    Dregin for chair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Merchelo_


    Ok, from what I am gathering from the tone of this thread, is that people are unhappy with the recent actions, and running of redbrick as a whole.

    There has been a decrease in the number of memberships in redbrick for the past few years. This cannot be down to the members or associates of the society, but more on the committee. These are the people who the members put their trust in to run the society and maintain the continuity of the society over the past few years. As per shadows graph, we can see that this has decreased in recent years.

    It has taken a flashpoint by the parts of the current committee in fibbers, for the current thread and angry posts and even a resignation, of a current chairperson of another society as well as ours to resign.
    Is it not true that redbrick had one of the best christmas parties for their members in years past, but recently they've been secluded gatherings along with the DCU Games Society in the local pub. I find it very ironic then, for members of the current committee to turn around to the current chairperson of games soc, and say that he's not fit for the job, and that he should resign, and then go and organise a christmas party with that society.

    It's my opinion that the committees failures over the past years is not to run with the socio-techno ideologies of current times, like that of social networking (facebook, bebo), and even updating the internal redbrick forums, known as the boards, to incorporate a web based forum (such as this, is this why people prefer to post here than on redbrick boards?). This will need to be addressed in the coming semester to help stop the downward trend of memberships dropping, one shining light in this is the current Events secretary who is making promising noises of events for the new year, if they are realised, it would be a shame not to join redbrick, and miss out on these for new and current members not to join redbrick.
    This is the kind of attitude which redbrick has to promote. Promoting IRC as one of the main points of redbrick, will attract some people but not a lot, and the first time they sign in, they won't be very impressed. The committee need to, as zyox said, "Man up", and realise what is happening, and do something to stop it.

    As for the current committee, I do believe robby was man enough to resign, and not to offer his resignation. Again, man up please, you feel you are at fault, but you need comfirmation by your friends, and committee members, so you offer your resignation, and by this you feel that you did nothing wrong in their eyes. This is not the case, it is the members who elect you, and by reading this thread, it is the members who have spoken, and by them it reads as if you have not done the right thing by offering your resignation. One could say that you bullied robby into his resignation, and now people are bullying you on the boards into your resignation (you know who you are).

    The current findings about redbrick would say a lot about the security on redbrick, leaving a dump of LDAP world readable, and hackable, and then a hack occurs, and you are surprised by this, along with problems with the root password being used for accessing parts of the wiki, and then this same password being apparently mailed to robby does not surprise me, what concerns me most, is currently pub cookie, it's set up as a university template, but users are putting in their usernames and passwords which nothing is happing, where are these passwords and usernames being logged to, and is it as secure as we thought?
    Users personal data, including their passwords should be at the forefront of the admins minds, if it doesn't work, don't let people use it, until you have tested it to death, and it does work. One simple ideology i use an awful lot.

    This is probably why you don't see me praising the admins at every chance, admins are not there to be praised, but just to be the backroom staff, doing their job as normal, and making sure things run smoothly, and quickly fix things which have broken.

    I just hope that these warnings are heeded by the current/changing committee before a society which we all loved/love should becoming another cog in the internet hate machine.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Merchelo_ wrote:
    There has been a decrease in the number of memberships in redbrick for the past few years. This cannot be down to the members or associates of the society, but more on the committee.

    Oh really? So it's nothing to do with snobby members wanting to keep this society for themselves? Ask around to a few first years from this year who tried to get the best out of redbrick, and ask them was it the welcoming committee members that scared them away or was it the grumbling old fighting members telling them in some cases to **** off?

    Also, this fighting has to stop. These divisions in the society. To put it blunt, they are very annoying and quite childish. They give redbrick and it's members a bad name so if you really do care about the society, try and end this first.

    Fair enough, we get it, you don't like the committee. A few people don't like them but because of the noise they are making, it is giving out a worse image than ever...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Merchelo_


    Oh really? So it's nothing to do with snobby members wanting to keep this society for themselves?

    Concerned members more like.
    Fair enough, we get it, you don't like the committee. A few people don't like them but because of the noise they are making, it is giving out a worse image than ever...

    Hated the committee so much that I wanted to be a part of it, at an EGM when the position of Helpdesk was up for grabs, only to be pipped to the post by a good friend, who I met through redbrick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭Shadowless


    lol at this thread

    roflcopters at rb committee having picnics with society money :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 442 ✭✭Defenestrate


    Merchelo_ wrote: »
    It's my opinion that the committees failures over the past years is not to run with the socio-techno ideologies of current times, like that of social networking (facebook, bebo), and even updating the internal redbrick forums, known as the boards, to incorporate a web based forum (such as this, is this why people prefer to post here than on redbrick boards?).

    I have to agree with this. I joined Redbrick back in first year, admittedly for the nightclub discount card but I was open minded. I installed the software, loaded it up, and after a couple of minutes of trying to get used to the dinosaur age interface I just uninstalled it. That pretty much sums up my 'activity' in the society! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Matthewthebig


    There have been ongoing attempts to make a web frontend for slrn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Merchelo_


    There have been ongoing attempts to make a web frontend for slrn.

    Why stop at this, and totally move to a new approach, and use a web board, with pub cookie login for users.
    This makes a lot more sense, then trying to create a web 1.0 front end for a web 0.1 technology.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭andrew163


    I wasn't going to reply to this thread again, but just to answer that one question (a bit off topic)..

    That's been debated at length between members and everyone else... a separate web board would split things worse then ever (smelly old people versus smelly new people). There is an attempt to build a proper web interface to them in progress though (if google can do it we can too).. it's just stalled a bit due to the whole hack thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    andrew163 wrote: »
    That's been debated at length between members and everyone else... a separate web board would split things worse then ever (smelly old people versus smelly new people). There is an attempt to build a proper web interface to them in progress though (if google can do it we can too).. it's just stalled a bit due to the whole hack thing.

    I'm smelly old people! I joined rb in 1999 and I'm still a member now, three years after I left college. I can even use slrn! When rb is considering where it should be going, what it should be offering it's members, I should be somewhere near the bottom of the list. The only reason it's not like that is because a huge, huge percentage of redbrick's current and active members are it's allumni and for years, no-one has wanted to piss them off.

    The attempt to build a web front end has been going on for at least six years and one of the reasons it took so long is because everyone wanted to write one that integrated with slrn so the oldies didn't get separated. Screw us, download vbulletin and tell us if we want to post on the rb boards, we can move to the web like the rest of the world did a decade ago. We're old enough and ugly enough not to get too annoyed :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭TomCo


    markpb wrote: »
    I'm smelly old people! I joined rb in 1999 and I'm still a member now, three years after I left college. I can even use slrn! When rb is considering where it should be going, what it should be offering it's members, I should be somewhere near the bottom of the list. The only reason it's not like that is because a huge, huge percentage of redbrick's current and active members are it's allumni and for years, no-one has wanted to piss them off.

    The attempt to build a web front end has been going on for at least six years and one of the reasons it took so long is because everyone wanted to write one that integrated with slrn so the oldies didn't get separated. Screw us, download vbulletin and tell us if we want to post on the rb boards, we can move to the web like the rest of the world did a decade ago. We're old enough and ugly enough not to get too annoyed :D

    Exactly, the old people don't really care about talking to new people.

    The new people don't really care about talking to the old people, unless they're looking for help or advice.

    Make a clean break with a web based board the new guys are going to KNOW HOW TO USE and we see what happens. Everyone can still talk to one another if they want, the new guys will have to figure out the "interface" and the old guys will have to endure the ardues of the internet and graphics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭BlackWizard


    TomCo wrote: »

    Make a clean break with a web based board the new guys are going to KNOW HOW TO USE and we see what happens. Everyone can still talk to one another if they want, the new guys will have to figure out the "interface" and the old guys will have to endure the ardues of the internet and graphics.

    I agree. I've been in redbrick for years. Would love to see a web interface :)


  • Subscribers Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭CuLT


    Never used slrn while I was a member (still associate), would have loved a decent web board.

    And since I have joined and departed DCU always hearing about a web interface to slrn being in the works, I think it's time, as markpb says, to make a clean break.

    You can work on importing old slrn stuff into vb retroactively if you want to, or make it available as a seperate static archive. Might be a bit of work, but it'd be a hell of a lot less than trying to build a forum system on top of slrn.

    Redbrick is the ultimate legacy system with grouchy old users set in their ways. It's a mammoth task to reinvent, but it's either evolve or go extinct by the looks of the numbers.

    ... That's if some enterprising new students don't decide a new networking soc would be better than trying to change the old one. To be honest, thinking about it, I don't know why there haven't been moves towards that already. There's room for both, although if RB could accommodate both it would be best.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When I wrote this year's helpdesk exam, I was advised to leave it completely devoid of any questions relating to slrn. If helpdesk don't know anything about slrn and a lot of members can't use it, what's the point in keeping it?

    I like using command lines for most things so I don't think that should be done away with altogether, but slrn should replaced by a web forum in my opinion. RedBrick does need to evolve rather quickly or the society will just fade away into oblivion as is already happening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭public_enemy


    Jesjes wrote: »
    We need to take this out of a here and now mentality and realise that the whole of the future of Redbrick is in jeopardy. Personally, I am for getting someone (Ideally past members associates with experience) but realistically can help re-guide Redbrick to maybe even a shadow of its former glory... SPC are likely the people to do this come September.
    Jesjes wrote: »
    our current admins, who were so quick to give Robby have done far worse than what he did.

    Heh, looks like someone wasn't paying attention to the SPC elections this year :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Cy_Revenant


    Jesjes wrote: »
    I wonder what the formal procedure is to demand that the whole committee has to be re-elected...? This is not me having a go at cmte, but based on the events it might be heathier for Redbrick members to see this happening and to create a sense of a fresh start.

    Coup d'état

    The members of a society can hold a meeting and decide things without committee being present. Quoram is kind of high though, I forget exactly what it is.

    Or even with committee present, there should be some kind of vote of no confidence that can be made. Some informed, well-read person may be able to provide details.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭andrew163


    Not quite.

    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/about/constitution/

    5% of the ordinary membership (in other words, not associate members) need to request an EGM for one to be held. Quorom at that meeting still requires a majority of the committee (as well as the square-root of the number of ordinary members, rounded up), though.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 4,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Suaimhneach


    The only problem with my suggestion is that there is no one there to do the job, is there? If SPC are gone down the swanny, which is apparently the indication, and the assosiates cant vote/run, then who is there to guide Redbrick?

    That is the real problem we all face, not wasting time blaming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Heh, looks like someone wasn't paying attention to the SPC elections this year :)
    Jesjes wrote: »
    If SPC are gone down the swanny, which is apparently the indication

    What's this about?
    I think I get what you are saying and I agree, associates should probably be cut down to past admins or past committee members.

    Eh... I wouldn't go that far, it's free money for Redbrick :D I don't think we should be cut down, just that we shouldn't be considered when it comes to running the society. If we like what you guys do, cool for us. If we don't, we'll try not to cry into our before-work latte.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 4,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Suaimhneach


    I wasnt around to see SPC this year, so I dont know what the indication is.

    I am technically still a member, haha, but I wont be around if there is an EGM etc next academic year.

    All hope is not lost, there are still decent capable enthusiastic (though for how long...) members of Redbrick and current cmte members, to pull us through this.

    I cant help but notice that this thread has 5,710 views, and that there were a lot of noisey people making complaints, accusations and blaming people, who are now quiet, since the thread has turned to how to deal with this issue. A matter to note, for all people who are responsible and all those who are complaining, that at the end of the day with all the drama and the hassle and the endless complaining, the fact of the matter is the responsibility is in the hands of the current cmte and they're the ones who make a decision when the membership dont do anything, which, based on the turn of this thread, they wont.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭Alanthroneus


    Jesjes wrote: »
    The only problem with my suggestion is that there is no one there to do the job, is there? If SPC are gone down the swanny, which is apparently the indication, and the assosiates cant vote/run, then who is there to guide Redbrick?

    That is the real problem we all face, not wasting time blaming.

    Exactly how have the SPC gone down the swanny? And what indication are these that suggest such a thing?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 4,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Suaimhneach


    Exactly how have the SPC gone down the swanny? And what indication are these that suggest such a thing?
    Heh, looks like someone wasn't paying attention to the SPC elections this year :)

    It was based on this comment alone, as I specified in other posts, I have not been around to know any different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭decob


    I think I get what you are saying and I agree, associates should probably be cut down to past admins or past committee members.

    To be honest i don't think you get what she is saying at all, you've taken something she said and turned it inside out. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a journo student or written in the college spiew or in the jacks opposite cg12.... to recap, what jes said was
    jesjes wrote:
    Also, that I think Redbrick needs to get an outside hand in to help guide the society, because obviously the current committee and most definitely the current admins are unable to do their jobs. SPC rep or something. Because otherwise, Redbrick is doomed.

    Which in simple terms means, the committee need 3rd party to come in and settle the ship, offer guidence to them on what the best way forward is. But who to do it, she didn't know. As an associate we really have no say, all we can do is offer an opinion, offer advice, make suggestions - but it's up to the committee and/or ordinary members to do it. When it comes to the likes of the election we don't have a vote.
    I know it is possibly a controversial view to hold but I feel that associates are taking too much of a part in the society unlike any other society around DCU. As you also say, the SPC as an official body shouldn't be brought into it either.

    eh no. as mark points out, that'd be crazy, we offer free money to the society in that we pay more in membership given that we earn money. Putting the money aspect aside we offer far more to the society, knowledge, experience, networking etc.. You just have to read some of the computing boards to see what information can be gleamed from the likes of phil, colmmac, singer, bobb, valen to name but a few. As for networking... quite a few brikkies got a job from a posting on the boards... christ i got my first job from a post on rb. You've got associated in companies from PWC to google, heanet to rte.. and from time to time these people do post to the boards about upcoming jobs etc. I'm also pretty sure a number of machines over the years have come as donations from associates/ companies where associates were working.

    I'm sure a year or two i got an emai from someone in the SPC who was toying with the idea of getting grads back involved with societeis to offer guidance & training to societies. DCU also make a big deal of their alumni assocaitions - and in fact they were ringing the people up this week tapping people up or a donation to the access programme, plus they benefit from the likes of the DCU affinity credit card.

    As for the SPC shouldn't be involved? Why shouldn't they? after all it is from the spc that rb get the majority of it's funding. They are also there offer guidance, support and help to societies. In fact i think the SPC should bring the rb committee on some sort of an Interpersonal skills course given some of information that has arisen here and on the rb boards.
    It's a harsh view that I know will probably get shot down or deleted but I believe there is reason behind it and so would you if you had a look back at the previous year...

    what reason?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭public_enemy


    Jesjes wrote: »
    It was based on this comment alone, as I specified in other posts, I have not been around to know any different.

    I was commenting on how you were unhappy with the admins, so you suggested that the SPC take over running the society.

    I found this amusing, because all three Redbrick admins are currently members of the SPC :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭decob


    I was commenting on how you were unhappy with the admins, so you suggested that the SPC take over running the society.

    I found this amusing, because all three Redbrick admins are currently members of the SPC :)

    i hope lil_cain also offered his resignation to the spc given his recent actions.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 4,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Suaimhneach


    Heh, looks like someone wasn't paying attention to the SPC elections this year :)
    decob wrote: »
    To be honest i don't think you get what she is saying at all, you've taken something she said and turned it inside out. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a journo student or written in the college spiew or in the jacks opposite cg12.... to recap, what jes said was



    Which in simple terms means, the committee need 3rd party to come in and settle the ship, offer guidence to them on what the best way forward is. But who to do it, she didn't know. As an associate we really have no say, all we can do is offer an opinion, offer advice, make suggestions - but it's up to the committee and/or ordinary members to do it. When it comes to the likes of the election we don't have a vote.



    eh no. as mark points out, that'd be crazy, we offer free money to the society in that we pay more in membership given that we earn money. Putting the money aspect aside we offer far more to the society, knowledge, experience, networking etc.. You just have to read some of the computing boards to see what information can be gleamed from the likes of phil, colmmac, singer, bobb, valen to name but a few. As for networking... quite a few brikkies got a job from a posting on the boards... christ i got my first job from a post on rb. You've got associated in companies from PWC to google, heanet to rte.. and from time to time these people do post to the boards about upcoming jobs etc. I'm also pretty sure a number of machines over the years have come as donations from associates/ companies where associates were working.

    I'm sure a year or two i got an emai from someone in the SPC who was toying with the idea of getting grads back involved with societeis to offer guidance & training to societies. DCU also make a big deal of their alumni assocaitions - and in fact they were ringing the people up this week tapping people up or a donation to the access programme, plus they benefit from the likes of the DCU affinity credit card.

    As for the SPC shouldn't be involved? Why shouldn't they? after all it is from the spc that rb get the majority of it's funding. They are also there offer guidance, support and help to societies. In fact i think the SPC should bring the rb committee on some sort of an Interpersonal skills course given some of information that has arisen here and on the rb boards.



    what reason?

    I am still a member til I graduate, in October. My suggestion was SPC, but that apparently isnt viable. You're saying something I've ready said so I wont, eh argue with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭c0rk3r


    I love these e-Drama's

    Shame how a few loose cannons can destroy years of effort.


  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭DemocAnarchis


    Couple of thoughts

    I think the present committee should be more than capable of running redbrick. The unfortunate thing was that this happened around exam time, when committees generally disappear. I think the lack of communication definately wasnt helped by the absence of an active chair, but im sure that the other members of the committee dont lack initative.

    As for the topic of associate members/alumni, this was an issue that STOCS had to deal with quite a bit. Alumni generally have a wealth of experience that the newer members lack, and as long as there is integration between the two groups I dont see a problem. However, redbrick isnt a normal society in so far as its members and alumni generally dont meet in person. From what I have seen, while occasional benefactors, there isnt a great deal of integration. I see no need to cut off associates, but I definately wouldnt be shaping redbrick's future around their needs. Do what the members want, and if the alumni can fit in there, so be it.

    As for redbrick's chat client etc showing its age etc, there seems to be a reluctance to let console based irc die in peace. I dont think redbrick is doing itself any favours in relation to new members as quite frankly it can be a pain in the arse. Or im just a n00b, lawl, etc. Some form of boards/browser based chat would be preferable imo.

    As for cian's behaviour, I had to re read the log and then read people's responses to see what was said that was deemed so imflammatory. Thats the way he always speaks. I thought nothing of it :/ The fibbers malarkey concerns me more than what was said in the chat. He was likely quite ****faced at the time also. Robby was a bit hard done by, but I dont really understand why he resigned. Call a committee meeting and discuss it instead of running away imo, the problem was only with a select few, not with the committee as a whole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Katniss everMean


    decob quoted a post from cynical-ru, yet his post isn't there, in fact a lot of his posts have been removed. I have been fallowing this thread from the beginning and believe that all he has said has been relevant to the topic, apart from one where he asked someone to stay on topic. It would be nice if we could actually hear from a first year who despite a lot of crap giving to him has stuck with the society and become an active member.

    Just my single penny.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Angelkat7 wrote: »
    decob quoted a post from cynical-ru, yet his post isn't there, in fact a lot of his posts have been removed. I have been fallowing this thread from the beginning and believe that all he has said has been relevant to the topic, apart from one where he asked someone to stay on topic.
    Ooooh it's a mystery!


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭dregin


    Said first year is taking a very rosey view of the goings on in redbrick and seems to see himself as an authority on how the society has been run in previous years even though he/she wasn't in the college. Cynical-ru would do well to realise that these problems have manifested themselves over a couple of years and that the concerns raised by members here are felt by many more members who don't use this forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Katniss everMean


    dregin wrote: »
    Said first year is taking a very rosey view of the goings on in redbrick and seems to see himself as an authority on how the society has been run in previous years even though he/she wasn't in the college.

    This could be said for a lot of people, but not everyone is being censored. He can form an opinion on how redbrick has been run in previous years just by reading this thread and talking in lobby. I have no clue what his previous post was about, but from the quotes it doesn't seem as if he was off topic.

    Sigh this comment will most likely be deleted in anyway..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    Angelkat7 wrote: »
    decob quoted a post from cynical-ru, yet his post isn't there, in fact a lot of his posts have been removed. I have been fallowing this thread from the beginning and believe that all he has said has been relevant to the topic, apart from one where he asked someone to stay on topic. It would be nice if we could actually hear from a first year who despite a lot of crap giving to him has stuck with the society and become an active member.

    Just my single penny.

    Posts that were off-topic or abusive were removed, this would have been following either someone reporting the post or it being blatantly off-topic or abusive in some way. Was posted back a few pages. There are boards for that sorta thing, this is not one of them, there are charters to follow here.

    1c [get with the times]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Katniss everMean


    Posts that were off-topic or abusive were removed, this would have been following either someone reporting the post or it being blatantly off-topic or abusive in some way. Was posted back a few pages. There are boards for that sorta thing, this is not one of them, there are charters to follow here.

    1c [get with the times]

    Far enough :)

    also surely it should be 1.27c


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    Back when we changed from Irish Pounds to Euro, £0.01p was valued at €0.01c.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Yes, off topic posts were removed and with good cause. As I said before this issue is an important one and I won't have it derailed by those kinds of posts.

    And yes, dregin is right, this matter has been bubbling under the surface for quite some time now and it's taken the resignation of a Chair for it to come to head. Now I'm not saying that everyone isn't entitled to their opinion, but what I will point out is that those of us who have been around for longer will be able to identify these problems more effectively as we know what Redbrick used to be like, as opposed to the state it's in now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭andrew163


    Unfortunately, "what it used to be like" is not going to help it survive into the future. What first years/new members expect to get from a college networking society should be given at least as much, if not more weight than what older members expect from a college networking society. And this expectation has shifted quite a bit even in the last two years, from what I've seen. I'd consider all of Ru's points so far (bar the ones where it got personal) to be completely valid, at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    When I say "what it used to be like" I'm referring to membership levels and general attitudes within the society and indeed online. I'll touch on those when I eventually get to make my reply.

    As for the value of the views of new members versus those of associates, well if you'll look back over the minutes from previous meetings I'm sure you'll probably see my "**** the associates" comment made during the discussion of a replacement for slrn. Despite the fact I'm now an associate I still agree with that comment. As Mark has said already the society should not be run with us in mind. If you want to take on any advice we give fair enough but if not, that's your decision.

    Also, Ru's deleted posts were not on topic, neither were Amz's replies for that matter, hence they were deleted.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    angelkat wrote:
    decob quoted a post from cynical-ru, yet his post isn't there

    I deleted the last post, but previous posts of mine have been deleted without reason but probably due to the fact that they disagreed with an older members views. The reason that I deleted the last post is gone is that I deleted it due partially to the changing of my mind on the matter but mostly because it quoted from Jesjes and I took her message up wrongly, so Jesjes, Sorry.
    My post was a bit extreme and was along the lines of ending associate membership for everyone but those that held a position on the committee.
    Merchelo_ wrote:
    Concerned members more like.
    Really, you are a concerned member? Obviously moreso concerned about keeping the society for yourself and your buddies rather than letting some first years with rosey views coming in to it.
    Dregin wrote:
    Said first year is taking a very rosey view of the goings on in redbrick and seems to see himself as an authority on how the society has been run in previous years even though he/she wasn't in the college.
    OMG! :eek: A FIRST YEAR TRYING TO MAKE THE SOCIETY BETTER! A FIRST YEAR TELLING IT AS IT IS! A FIRST YEAR ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPIONION?!?!?! I agree Dregin, this is something that you wouldn't be allowed to see in #lobby hence why there is only one person who registered last year logged in...no points for guessing who that is...

    What a narrow minded view to give though, in a thread that that seems to be making headway into realising that something needs to be done. As Barack Obama would put it - Change. Or as jesjes would put it:
    jesjes wrote:
    the thread has turned to how to deal with this issue.

    Ask yourself honestly Dregin, what would you rather see? Lobby as it is or some crowd of first/second years coming on and talking about planning their nights out to Barcode and XXIs...

    I don't see myself as an authority but what I see myself as is an independent body. I am not a member of the committee. I don't know/care about the **** that has gone on in past years. I am here for a way in stopping a lot of my friends from not renewing next year, so please keep these elitist views at bay for the rest of the thread as these are helping no one, especially not the DCU Networking Society.
    gizmo wrote:
    what I will point out is that those of us who have been around for longer will be able to identify these problems more effectively
    You have all been around for a while, why couldn't you have tried to stop this before it has gone on so far?

    As has been pointed out before, I am nothing more than a concerned first year. Concerned because a society that I joined in October turns out not to be what I thought it would be at all...How many society's in DCU seem to be run by the actions of certain members/associates rather than the committee?
    In my last few posts, I gave my opinion which usually wasn't taken on board because it went against the grain of the usual redbrick as redbrick is shaped now. You are all putting your head in the sand if you think that all you need to do is give a new board or give a new chat client, although I would welcome both these with open arms, the problem with redbrick is more of an attitude problem.
    Now, as I said before, I am a first year. I thought this society might like to hear a first year's view on the topic but if you would rather stick to listening to arguments, flamings etc. from the older members, fine. But give it 2 years and this whole society will be finished as I don't believe that alumni can sit on the committee...

    And that's my 2c.


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