What is wrong with some people..19 hour rape..

ejmaztec · 07-06-2008 03:22PM

Yet another one of those psychos who manages to spend years in the legal system, meeting shrinks, social-workers, probation-officers etc etc - and is still allowed the freedom to do what he did. Surely, at least one of these so-called experts knew what he was capable of. Too many grey areas and loopholes.

Mossy Monk · 07-06-2008 03:24PM

carolmon wrote: »

Hey Peared
it didn't take long.
sums up everything I said previously...........

You are like a modern day Nostradamus. I applaud you.

Agamemnon · 07-06-2008 03:37PM

Fucking animal. He should be put in front of a firing squad. It's hard to imagine the victim ever having a normal life again after enduring that.

Dudess · 07-06-2008 03:39PM

Yet again, this is not the Lolocaust. Any Lolocaust worthy comments have been deleted, as well as responses to them.

Patricide · 07-06-2008 03:41PM

Jesus that is ****ing SICK, Take all his organs give them to people that need him and kill him. If ever someone deserved the death penalty its this guy, and im usually against it.

kowloon · 07-06-2008 04:10PM

A fine specimen for study.

deaddonkey · 07-06-2008 04:21PM

Wagon wrote: »

Death penalty time. People like that shouldn't be allowed to walk the earth.

only if we can make the death penalty really, really long and painful. a lethal injection is far too nice for him, he needs real torture.

Clare Bear · 07-06-2008 04:24PM

That was tough reading. How will that poor girl ever live a normal life again. That sick f**k should be destroyed in the most painful way possible.

The Artist · 07-06-2008 04:53PM

:mad::mad::mad:
Thats the worst ive heard,19 hours rape!
What going through the guys mind?
most evil thing walked on this world,hope he dosent walk alive in the world.
what a sad,sick,evil,twisted,demented,pychopathed man he is.
death to him ,oh yes crucified!
torture oh yes,hang him with his co#k,jerk him up and down until he falls,cut the fu#ker up to bits and his flesh will be fed by my pigs hence the words greedy as a pig!They will go through bones like butter.
call the americans il be glad to take care of that madman myself no bother!

Dudess · 07-06-2008 04:54PM

Mr.S wrote: »

1 - Chemical Castration.

2 - Locked up for the rest of his life, no appeals.

Death Penalty would be the easy way out for this ****er.

+1. I wouldn't be an advocate of this "he tortured someone horribly so let's reduce ourselves to his level and torture him horribly" mindset - no matter what he did. The same goes for Fritzl, and my revulsion regarding that case hasn't simmered down at all since the story broke about six weeks ago.

Solitary confinement with limited stimulation and human contact I think would be the way to go. Although why waste a jail cell on someone who's beyond rehabilitation?

Lockstep · 07-06-2008 05:38PM

DanGerMus wrote: »

I think it's a power or control thing and nothing to do with sex.

I was referring to torture in general. But yeah your right, rape is a power thing rather than sex. If it was just lust then it'd be easier to just find a hooker.

RedXIV wrote: »

i heard before that a skilled torturer can keep you alive for weeks before you die. THATS the punishment i'd be handing out.

Yeah, medieval torture was an art form, the whole idea being that you could keep acaptive on the brink of death and yet still alive.

I went to a torture museum in Antwerp. Horrible horrible stuff.

Dudess wrote: »

+1. I wouldn't be an advocate of this "he tortured someone horribly so let's reduce ourselves to his level and torture him horribly" mindset - no matter what he did. The same goes for Fritzl, and my revulsion regarding that case hasn't simmered down at all since the story broke about six weeks ago.

Solitary confinement with limited stimulation and human contact I think would be the way to go. Although why waste a jail cell on someone who's beyond rehabilitation?

Saves me having to say it.

galwayrush · 07-06-2008 05:38PM

That Bastard should suffer horribly for what he did.:eek:

Marcus.Aurelius · 07-06-2008 07:00PM

Shocking behaviour, there aren't sentences in law to describe the punishment fitting such a vile act.

newname · 07-06-2008 07:11PM

I hope he gets the same done to him in prison only more often untill he dies, then throw his remains in the skip.

Simply Red · 07-06-2008 07:16PM

Absolutely sickening, how anyone can put another human through something like that is beyond me

07-06-2008 07:17PM

Anyone who would force themselves on another is just a sick.

Earthhorse · 07-06-2008 07:17PM

I really hope this woman has family and friends that will gather round her and help her through this because I imagine she'll be feeling the effects for years. I really, really, really hope that. And that she gets a psychiatrist who knows his shit. And surgeons the same for any of her injuries.

I really, really, really hope that.

Dudess wrote: »

I'm opposed to the death penalty in general but I don't see why exceptions can't be made

It's because we can't guarantee convictions are 100% accurate. Eventually an innocent person would be put to death. Can't fix that.

johnnyskeleton · 07-06-2008 07:44PM

First of all, this person's trial appears to have just started. The prosecution have made their opening speech, but no evidence has been heard. His defence may well be that it was someone else entirely or that they got the wrong guy; without hearing the evidence you can't possibly know what he is or is not guilty of. The rush to condemn him based on a newspaper report of a lawyer's speech is worrying.

Second, a person's previous convictions have little or no bearing on whether they actually committed the offence, but it is quite likely to lead a jury to assume that the person is guilty, so the newspaper report really shouldn't have mentioned his record.

carolmon wrote: »

It's because a lot of people still think of rape as being primarily about sex not the abuse of power.

Well sometimes it is about sex, this trite statement cannot be applied to all cases of rape or related sexual offences.

carolmon wrote: »

Once you understand the difference you can never associate rape with anything to do with what sex is meant to be about.

Fundamentally, sex is a natural imperative, and for many animals their version of sex would be rape by human standards. Indeed, when we were monkeys I'm sure that a high proportion of all the sex that took place was rape. Sorry to go off thread, but the most basic motive for rape can very often be the same as the most basic motive for sex. That is not to say that it always is, there are many rape cases that are, as you say, about abuse of power, but it is a significant factor.

ejmaztec wrote: »

Yet another one of those psychos who manages to spend years in the legal system, meeting shrinks, social-workers, probation-officers etc etc - and is still allowed the freedom to do what he did. Surely, at least one of these so-called experts knew what he was capable of. Too many grey areas and loopholes.

I understood that only one previous conviction was mentioned, but even still, what do you think should have been done? It's easy in retrospect to say he should have been kept in prison, but then again those girls shouldn't have taken the Navan bus that day, so hindsight is of little use.

Mr.S wrote: »

2 - Locked up for the rest of his life, no appeals.

While if he was convicted life imprisonment would be the likely sentence, why no appeals? Is it not possible for a miscarriage of justice to occur?

newname wrote: »

I hope he gets the same done to him in prison only more often untill he dies, then throw his remains in the skip.

In america, for a high profile rapist that is highly likely.

Lockstep · 07-06-2008 07:56PM

A lot of people here seem to think two wrongs make a right.

tech77 · 07-06-2008 07:58PM

kowloon wrote: »

A fine specimen for study.

random wrote: »

Let's use the guys body for scientific experiments. At least we might learn something !

^I genuinely think this is the most reasonable course of action with these guys.^

I am sick to death (no pun intended) of hearing about these subhuman fcukers acting like this... Fritzl, this guy.

These actions are irreconcilable with any notion of humanity so why fcuking treat him like a human.
Why do people have such qualms about this.
Some people just forfeit humanity when they do stuff like this.

Surely more would be gained by studying his brain/psychological make-up (in the hope of offsetting something like this kinda thing in the future) than letting him live.

Rb · 07-06-2008 08:00PM

That's f*cked up, wonder how long (if ever) it'll take for her to be rehabilitated.

Thank Christ it wasn't in Ireland though or the pr1ck would be out in 8-12 years maximum.

Hopefully he doesn't get the death penalty though, that would be far too easy, sticking him in a padded room with nothing to harm himself with for the rest of his days would be far better. Perhaps include a tap that drips continually, just to drive him completely off the rails.

Poor girl though, what a horrible thing to happen.

Lockstep · 07-06-2008 08:01PM

tech77 wrote: »

These actions are irreconcilable with any notion of humanity so why fcuking treat him like a human.

As it seperates us from them.

Yes treat him like a human, albeit one hell of a sick f*ck.

AckwelFoley · 07-06-2008 08:04PM

Yes. Humanity weeps again...

19 Hours...

i sentance that man to 19 hours of cell time with bubba. Lock door and ignore screams.

MagicMarker · 07-06-2008 08:08PM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

First of all, this person's trial appears to have just started. The prosecution have made their opening speech, but no evidence has been heard. His defence may well be that it was someone else entirely or that they got the wrong guy; without hearing the evidence you can't possibly know what he is or is not guilty of. The rush to condemn him based on a newspaper report of a lawyer's speech is worrying.

Erm...

The victim and several witnesses in the six-story apartment building where the woman lived picked out Mr. Williams from lineups, Ms. Prunty said. She said that DNA evidence also linked him to the crime.

So, yeah...

I feel sorry for this poor girl, because no punishment is punishment enough for this guy. He'll either be executed and given the easy way out. Or he'll be in prision with all the luxuries associated with same.

tech77 · 07-06-2008 08:09PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

As it seperates us from them.

Yes treat him like a human, albeit one hell of a sick f*ck.

Yeah but we study/kill animals and that's reconcilable with our humanity isn't it? (vegetarianism/animal rights protesters aside).

And this guy is no more than an animal.
I'd have serious problems recognising him as a human tbh.

So would it be inconsistent with our humanity to treat him like an animal?

Lockstep · 07-06-2008 08:14PM

tech77 wrote: »

Yeah but we study/kill animals and that's reconcilable with our humanity isn't it? (vegetarianism/animal rights protesters aside).

I'm against animal testing. You're bringing in a whole other argument.

tech77 wrote: »

And this guy is no more than an animal.
I'd have serious problems recognising him as a human tbh.

I find it odd that people think there are predicates to being human. he did a terrible terrible thing and if it was him, he needs to be segregated from people for the rest of his life if only for their protection.

But then again, I think there is something wonderfully self righteous that differs me from him: I will still see him as a human. Regardless of how he treated that poor woman.

tech77 wrote: »

So would it be inconsistent with our humanity to treat him like an animal?

Why would it be?

Dudess · 07-06-2008 08:14PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Or he'll be in prision with all the luxuries associated with same.

A term at a maximum security jail along the lines of Oz... I could think of a number of terms to describe what accompanies such a sentence - however, "luxuries" is definitely not one of them.

tech77 wrote: »

Yeah but we study/kill animals and that's reconcilable with our humanity isn't it? (vegetarianism/animal rights protesters aside).

And this guy is no more than an animal.
I'd have serious problems recognising him as a human tbh.

So would it be inconsistent with our humanity to treat him like an animal?

Sadly, only a human is capable of what he did.

Lockstep · 07-06-2008 08:16PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Or he'll be in prision with all the luxuries associated with same.

In America?

For such a heinous crime?

American prisons are awful, awful places. Especially for those convicted of sex crimes.

Earthhorse · 07-06-2008 08:17PM

tech77 wrote: »

I'd have serious problems recognising him as a human tbh.

So would it be inconsistent with our humanity to treat him like an animal?

It would be inconsistent with my humanity because he isn't actually an animal. Just like he isn't a football or a chair.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth; it just doesn't work in the long run. Our justice system developed the way it has for good reason.

tech77 · 07-06-2008 08:20PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I'm against animal testing. You're bringing in a whole other argument.

I find it odd that people think there are predicates to being human. he did a terrible terrible thing and if it was him, he needs to be segregated from people for the rest of his life if only for their protection.

But then again, I think there is something wonderfully self righteous that differs me from him: I will still see him as a human. Regardless of how he treated that poor woman.

Why would it be?

Fair enough.
It's just difficult (for me at least) to accept this as part of humanity that's all.

Edit: Just about the study thing:
I can't help but feel that a better understanding of the psychology of this $hit is being wasted by not subjecting him to some kinda study.

What is wrong with some people..19 hour rape..

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