Fifa rules in favour of N.I

estebancambias · 02-06-2008 05:14PM #1

From that BBC thing:

Fifa have come down on the side of NI/IFA in the player dispute.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/article3757651.ece

In a nutshell, you are not guaranteed by right of your nationality to play for the nation which recognises you as citizen.

Quite simply put, this is a massive breach of our individual fundamental human rights. How dare FIFA tell me that my son and his descendants have no right to play for our country?

We are Irish, born on the island of Ireland. We have absolutely no interest in representing NI whatsoever. My father was a professional footballer, born in the North and never represented NI at any level [even when he was asked].

It is not for a mere Football Association [FIFA] to decide a persons nationality. That is a matter between the nation state and the individual.

So what, I and my son are not Irishmen because FIFA tells me thats the way it is?

Does your man Blatter actually think this will pass? LOL.

Why should someone have to represent a territory created due to colonialism?

Why should a player not get the chance to play for the Irish national team?

monkey9 · 02-06-2008 05:20PM

This won't hold up. I know plenty of people up North who consider themselves Irish and have the passport and if they were footballers, they'd have to play for the North?? They just wouldn't. This whole thing is a nonsense

grahamo · 02-06-2008 05:20PM

estebancambias wrote: »

From that BBC thing:

Does your man Blatter actually think this will pass? LOL.

Why should someone have to represent a territory created due to colonialism?

Why should a player not get the chance to play for the Irish national team?

Does this mean Darren Gibson won't be allowed play for us!

monkey9 · 02-06-2008 05:21PM

I'd imagine it's from now on. He's already played a competitive match

A Dub in Glasgo · 02-06-2008 06:20PM

monkey9 wrote: »

This won't hold up. I know plenty of people up North who consider themselves Irish

That is because they are Irish

FIFA are idiots

Death or Glory · 02-06-2008 06:27PM

Blatter has too much time on his hands

Nalz · 02-06-2008 06:35PM

Death or Glory wrote: »

Blatter has too much time on his hands

+1. He's a joke. He's made some comments in the past... that one about women soccer players and the shorts, ffs ya havta laugh.

leninbenjamin · 02-06-2008 06:42PM

Death or Glory wrote: »

Blatter has too much time on his hands

lol, sums it up perfectly.

Mr.Nice Guy · 02-06-2008 07:18PM

Yes this ruling is a complete disgrace. You can be given Irish citizenship but you can't represent the State which gave you citizenship. Utter bollocks.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 07:29PM

Hoe is Blatter the idiot here, It was the IFA who took this case? And why start this thread 9 months later?

Fact is that FIFA changed the rules of eligibility in the wake of the Quatari Brazilian nonsense and Darren Gibson technically isn't eligible for us as citizenship alone is not enough.

The question is will FIFA make an exception for the unique Irish situation, as Gibson isn't eligible for the nordies, but with a home nation refusing to agree to this, hard to see how.

monkey9 · 02-06-2008 08:01PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Hoe is Blatter the idiot here, It was the IFA who took this case? And why start this thread 9 months later?

Fact is that FIFA changed the rules of eligibility in the wake of the Quatari Brazilian nonsense and Darren Gibson technically isn't eligible for us as citizenship alone is not enough.

The question is will FIFA make an exception for the unique Irish situation, as Gibson isn't eligible for the nordies, but with a home nation refusing to agree to this, hard to see how.

It was started nine months later because who would have thought it would become an issue by FIFA actually going along with this!!!

Guy:Incognito · 02-06-2008 08:05PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Why should someone have to represent a territory created due to colonialism?

Whereas all the countries of the world were decided when god dropped a map down on us.

Fifas rules are fairly clear,afair you have to have lived in the country for a certain time and/or have a family connection(parent/grandparent) Dont see why it should be any different because it suits us.

If Keane, McGrath, Brady etc had decided they wanted to play for the north thered have been whole forums dedicated to whinging about them.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 08:06PM

monkey9 wrote: »

It was started nine months later because who would have though it would become an issue by FIFA actually going along with this!!!

Going along with what?

One member state did something, another appealed it and in the letter of the law the original action was against the rules.

It was clear from day one we were on shakey ground with Gibson. Morally, we of course have the higher ground, but by any reading of the rules we were on ropey territory.

This isn't Blatter sitting in a bunker stroking a cat, it is the IFA fighting their corner and winning.

estebancambias · 02-06-2008 08:10PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Whereas all the countries of the world were decided when god dropped a map down on us.

Fifas rules are fairly clear,afair you have to have lived in the country for a certain time and/or have a family connection(parent/grandparent) Dont see why it should be any different because it suits us.

If Keane, McGrath, Brady etc had decided they wanted to play for the north thered have been whole forums dedicated to whinging about them.

:rolleyes:

Keane, McGrath or Brady could not have played for Northern Ireland, because being born in the Republic they wouldn't have British passport.

Darron Gibson has an Irish passport, and so do 47% of the community in Northern Ireland.

Oh and we are not the only country who have this. Croatia do as well.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 08:15PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Darron Gibson has an Irish passport, and so do 47% of the community in Northern Ireland.

Oh and we are not the only country who have this. Croatia do as well.

thank you for stating the obvious.

but having a passport is not enough anymore. there was abuse of the system, by us to an extent come to think of it, and know you need a genuine, tangible affinity to your country, not just citizenship. Nationalists in the 6 counties fell into the cracks. there should be an exception made, but the IFA were right. Darren Gibson is not eligible for the FAI XI as the rules stand.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 02-06-2008 08:17PM

estebancambias wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Keane, McGrath or Brady could not have played for Northern Ireland, because being born in the Republic they wouldn't have British passport.

:rolleyes:
Really ??

Paul McGrath (born December 4, 1959 in Ealing, London, England). I would imagine that a british passport would not be too hard to come by for him.

ArmaniJeanss · 02-06-2008 08:31PM

A bit harsh to blame Blatter - it's hard to see how you could frame a rule to please everyone and maintain the integrity of the game at the same time.

Anyone know how its handled in the Balkans, e.g., if someone born in one of the strongly Serb-orientated areas of Bosnia wants to play for Serbia, then what happens?

Guy:Incognito · 02-06-2008 08:34PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Anyone know how its handled in the Balkans, e.g., if someone born in one of the strongly Serb-orientated areas of Bosnia wants to play for Serbia, then what happens?

I think they were given a choice at the time of the break up but now its where your from. There is probably stil plenty of crossover with family though meaning plenty of players are eligable through the granny rule.

estebancambias · 02-06-2008 08:44PM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Really ??

Paul McGrath (born December 4, 1959 in Ealing, London, England). I would imagine that a british passport would not be too hard to come by for him.

Well done there Thanx 4 The Fish, you completely ripped up the point I was trying to make.:rolleyes:

estebancambias · 02-06-2008 08:48PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

thank you for stating the obvious.

but having a passport is not enough anymore. there was abuse of the system, by us to an extent come to think of it, and know you need a genuine, tangible affinity to your country, not just citizenship. Nationalists in the 6 counties fell into the cracks. there should be an exception made, but the IFA were right. Darren Gibson is not eligible for the FAI XI as the rules stand.

So Patrick Viera/ Florent Malouda/ Johnathon Zebina/ Makelele/Boumsong/ Evra are not eligible for the FFA XI?

Guy:Incognito · 02-06-2008 08:50PM

estebancambias wrote: »

So Patrick Viera/ Florent Malouda/ Johnathon Zebina/ Makelele are not eligible for the FFA XI?

Vieira lived in France from the age of 8.

Zebina was born in Paris.

Makalele moved to France aged 4.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 08:53PM

estebancambias wrote: »

So Patrick Viera/ Florent Malouda/ Johnathon Zebina/ Makelele/Boumsong/ Evra are not eligible for the FFA XI?

They all lived in France. So yes they would be.

estebancambias · 02-06-2008 08:54PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Vieira lived in France from the age of 8.

Zebina was born in Paris

Darron Gibson lived in Ireland since he was born.

Oh and just checked that up, I was sure he was from Monsterat(or somewhere like that) but yeah it says wikipedia.

Guy:Incognito · 02-06-2008 08:55PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Darron Gibson lived in Ireland since he was born.

Oh and just checked that up, I was sure he was from Monsterat(or somewhere like that) but yeah it says wikipedia.

Gibson has never lived in the country he wants to play for.

Mr.Nice Guy · 02-06-2008 08:56PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote:

there was abuse of the system, by us to an extent come to think of it

Not just by us. People conveniently forget the fact that players from the south turned out for NI's team in the past. They didn't seem to have a problem back then. Johnny Carey, born in Dublin, turned out for the North's team and it seems the IFA were willing to ignore this top class player's place of birth. I'm sure there were many others too. There was a player mentioned in Liam Brady's Dalymount Park documentary who turned out for both teams. His name escapes me.

It pisses me off to hear the IFA's bitching given their own history.

Guy:Incognito · 02-06-2008 08:58PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Not just by us. People conveniently forget the fact that players from the south turned out for NI's team in the past. They didn't seem to have a problem back then. Johnny Carey, born in Dublin, turned out for the North's team and it seems the IFA were willing to ignore this top class player's place of birth. I'm sure there were many others too. There was a player mentioned in Liam Brady's Dalymount Park documentary who turned out for both teams. His name escapes me.

It pisses me off to hear the IFA's bitching given their own history.

The rules have been tweaked plenty of times over the years so what happened a couple of generations ago isnt really relevant.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 09:00PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Darron Gibson lived in Ireland since he was born. .

He has lived in England for about 5 years...

What you are asking for is FIFA to take a side on the Irish national question. Not going to happen.

estebancambias · 02-06-2008 09:01PM

I will be shocked if future players born in one of the six counties who want to play for the Republic are not allowed to do so.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 09:01PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Not just by us. People conveniently forget the fact that players from the south turned out for NI's team in the past. They didn't seem to have a problem back then. Johnny Carey, born in Dublin, turned out for the North's team and it seems the IFA were willing to ignore this top class player's place of birth. I'm sure there were many others too. There was a player mentioned in Liam Brady's Dalymount Park documentary who turned out for both teams. His name escapes me.

It pisses me off to hear the IFA's bitching given their own history.

I'm not disputing that, and whats even worse is DG isn't eligible for them either, but the rules are on their side.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-06-2008 09:04PM

estebancambias wrote: »

I will be shocked if future players born in one of the six counties who want to play for the Republic are not allowed to do so.

do you live in a cave?

they are not allowed at the moment.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 02-06-2008 09:04PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Well done there Thanx 4 The Fish, you completely ripped up the point I was trying to make.:rolleyes:

No problem esteban, shame that such a small thing as a fact would completely ruin your point :rolleyes:

Fifa rules in favour of N.I

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