For the politically correct (challenged) when do we say 'stop'

karen3212 · 27-05-2008 07:28AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Hi I claim political asylum in your house, I am entitled to do so under Blahdeblah pinkolefty legislation. whats more you have to feed me and give me money or I can have you prosecuted. and on another note you should get that front lawn mowed its a feckin disgrace.

Well firstly I would congratulate said person on his grasp of one of our official languages. Then I would phone the relevant authority and have them help me process the claim. I would understand that said asylum seeker has escaped a desperate situation in his home country, and I would treat them as I would wish to be treated if I had to do the same some day. As for the quip about the lawn, I would let that pass, understanding the stress said seeker is under at present. Then we'd have a nice cup of tea

Mahatma coat · 27-05-2008 07:34AM

yeah but how would EU freedom of movement laws have any impact.

last time I checked most European Countries didnt have any tyranical opressive regiemes churning out thousands of Asylum seekers.

Freedom of movement only applies to EU citizens within the EU, and anyway most of these would be Economic Migrants, so nowt wrong there, however we have to beware of the bewnefit fraud issues, I remember there being an influx of Crusty hippy 'New Aged Travelers' to Ireland a while ago to abuse EU Welfare regulations , whereby they were automaticaly entitled to claim full dole indefinitley.

most Asylum seekers claiming asylum in Ireland can be shipped Back somewhere else quite easily, it just requires an administration with the balls to do it and to tell the bleedin hearts to STFU

JangoFett · 27-05-2008 07:36AM

karen3212 wrote: »

Well firstly I would congratulate said person on his grasp of one of our official languages. Then I would phone the relevant authority and have them help me process the claim. I would understand that said asylum seeker has escaped a desperate situation in his home country, and I would treat them as I would wish to be treated if I had to do the same some day. As for the quip about the lawn, I would let that pass, understanding the stress said seeker is under at present. Then we'd have a nice cup of tea

To be honest, if someone ran into my house saying that I'd either kick them out or call the cops. I wouldn't let an Irish stranger barge into my house like that. My house is my home, not a shelter.

Mahatma coat · 27-05-2008 07:40AM

karen3212 wrote: »

Well firstly I would congratulate said person on his grasp of one of our official languages. Then I would phone the relevant authority and have them help me process the claim. I would understand that said asylum seeker has escaped a desperate situation in his home country, and I would treat them as I would wish to be treated if I had to do the same some day. As for the quip about the lawn, I would let that pass, understanding the stress said seeker is under at present. Then we'd have a nice cup of tea

OK after WW2 there was a huge migration to Australia, many of those people faced atrocities and hardships far worse than anything the modern 'Refugee', but did those people cryout and claim asylum and state support, didtheyfook, they rolled up their sleeves and chipped in and set about some of the biggest projects the world had ever seen, why, cos if they had sat down and felt sorry for themselves they would have been alone in doing it.

so what has changed with the world?

Caoimhín · 27-05-2008 07:43AM

Ah yes, this old chestnut,

Pinky, liberal leftie = Oh, i love the diversity and culture, bring them all in. (as long as they're not housed beside me)

Right wing nutter = Damm ni**ers comin over here and takin our wimmin and robbin and stealin and....

Im going to be very balanced on this and go with extermination of a bit of both. A few gypsies strung up here, a few skangers shot in the head there.
A nice ethnically diverse crowd on the trains heading east.

JangoFett · 27-05-2008 07:46AM

Its impossible to get it right.

People who have genuine solutions to the so called problems are ignored cuz the people on extremem left and right drown them out.

I'm all for deporting the ones who break our laws and are only here to leech off our government

Mahatma coat · 27-05-2008 07:52AM

True, but is it too much to ask that a Government equipped with the history of Europe and How the Migrant/Gastarbeiter/refugee situation has played out on the rest of the continent, to not be repeating as many blatently stupid mistakes

togster · 27-05-2008 07:57AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

so what has changed with the world?

People have become less understanding?

Sherifu · 27-05-2008 07:58AM

Moriarty wrote: »

Darkman2 posting anti-immigration threads.. something to set your watch by.

*imaginary thanks*

Caoimhín · 27-05-2008 07:58AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

True, but is it too much to ask that a Government equipped with the history of Europe and How the Migrant/Gastarbeiter/refugee situation has played out on the rest of the continent, to not be repeating as many blatently stupid mistakes

People or their governments learning from history?
Ye gads man you've lost it.

tallaght01 · 27-05-2008 08:04AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

True, but is it too much to ask that a Government equipped with the history of Europe and How the Migrant/Gastarbeiter/refugee situation has played out on the rest of the continent, to not be repeating as many blatently stupid mistakes

Is it too much to ask that people be aware of exactly what many asylum seekers have had to put up with in their home contries before they get here?

Is it too much to ask that people realise that asylum seekers can't just arrive in Ireland and start working?

Is it too much to realise that "banning" asylum seekers is inhumane?

Is it too much to ask that people realise banning those seeking asylum won't make a huge difference to the influx of foreigners into Ireland?

It's very easy to be complacent and flippant when you're sitting in a wealthy country with no problems that are in any way comparable to those of asylum seekers. It's very easy to talk about spongers and laziness.

But if you ever have the misfortune of having limbs hacked off/been tortured in a cell for months on end/watched your family members being raped in front of you/watched family memebers being killed or tortured, because you raised your voice or were of the "wrong ethnicity" you may begin to see it's not such a simple issue.

togster · 27-05-2008 08:10AM

tallaght01 wrote: »

Is it too much to ask that people be aware of exactly what many asylum seekers have had to put up with in their home contries before they get here?

Is it too much to ask that people realise that asylum seekers can't just arrive in Ireland and start working?

Is it too much to realise that "banning" asylum seekers is inhumane?

Is it too much to ask that people realise banning those seeking asylum won't make a huge difference to the influx of foreigners into Ireland?

It's very easy to be complacent and flippant when you're sitting in a wealthy country with no problems that are in any way comparable to those of asylum seekers. It's very easy to talk about spongers and laziness.

But if you ever have the misfortune of having limbs hacked off/been tortured in a cell for months on end/watched your family members being raped in front of you/watched family memebers being killed or tortured, because you raised your voice or were of the "wrong ethnicity" you may begin to see it's not such a simple issue.

+1

JangoFett · 27-05-2008 08:11AM

Ok, while that is terrible, nobody deserves that to happen to them, ever

But then to come to another country and expect everything for nothing and break the laws of that country? Small percentage of people do that but seriously, the ones who do it should **** off. Repeating myself now.

karen3212 · 27-05-2008 08:12AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK after WW2 there was a huge migration to Australia, many of those people faced atrocities and hardships far worse than anything the modern 'Refugee', but did those people cryout and claim asylum and state support, didtheyfook, they rolled up their sleeves and chipped in and set about some of the biggest projects the world had ever seen, why, cos if they had sat down and felt sorry for themselves they would have been alone in doing it.

so what has changed with the world?

Why would people be seeking asylum after the war finished? There were many seeking to get out of Germany and Europe during the war and a lot of countries closed their borders to them. After the war many people were helped with fares to australia, and given jobs on large farms that had been nearly ''free'' for the australian owners, after all the aborigines didn't own the land. Also the marshall plan was put in place to help European countries back to work. People were helped after the war.

27-05-2008 08:12AM

tallaght01 wrote: »

But if you ever have the misfortune of having limbs hacked off/been tortured in a cell for months on end/watched your family members being raped in front of you/watched family memebers being killed or tortured, because you raised your voice or were of the "wrong ethnicity" you may begin to see it's not such a simple issue.

Yes, I know you've been to Africa and seen it in person, too (unlike most of us posters to this thread, who never got any closer than watching "Blood Diamond" in the cinema). Going there to medically heal people, and having to live in that stressed, tragic environment. Whoa! I'm glad it was you and not me!

tallaght01 · 27-05-2008 08:16AM

JangoFett wrote: »

Ok, while that is terrible, nobody deserves that to happen to them, ever

But then to come to another country and expect everything for nothing and break the laws of that country? Small percentage of people do that but seriously, the ones who do it should **** off. Repeating myself now.

So, is your entire point that asylum seekers who break the law should be sent home?

It's not entirely related to the original point about capping numbers....BUT...we don't send any other offenders away to be tortured. In fact we give out a lot about America and their rendition flights. Surely we're better than that.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Yes, I know you've been to Africa and seen it in person, too (unlike most of us posters to this thread, who never got any closer than watching "Blood Diamond" in the cinema). Going there to medically heal people, and having to live in that stressed, tragic environment. Whoa! I'm glad it was you and not me!

Yea, I was lucky though. Managed to get out with like 100000000 blood diamonds hidden in me jocks

JangoFett · 27-05-2008 08:20AM

So you think they should be allowed stay in Ireland after abusing the trust of being granted asylum?

What should happen to them, be put in prison and have your tax pay for them? Yeah, I know its a tired point about tax but its true. I don't want to pay for someone who comes here and abuses the system

Mahatma coat · 27-05-2008 08:20AM

tallaght01 wrote: »

Is it too much to ask that people be aware of exactly what many asylum seekers have had to put up with in their home contries before they get here?

how about the people in our own country who are having a hard go of it, shouldnt we help them first?

Is it too much to ask that people realise that asylum seekers can't just arrive in Ireland and start working?

Why not?

Is it too much to realise that "banning" asylum seekers is inhumane?

thats just your opinion

Is it too much to ask that people realise banning those seeking asylum won't make a huge difference to the influx of foreigners into Ireland?

I've no issue with 'foreigners' just the ones who want everything for free cos boo hoo they've had a hard life.

It's very easy to be complacent and flippant when you're sitting in a wealthy country with no problems that are in any way comparable to those of asylum seekers. It's very easy to talk about spongers and laziness.

is it our fault that our respective countries have wealth and a high quality of life, if they just wanted to escape persecution there are a myriad of places they could go that would be safer than where they are and have a comparable standard of living to the country they left, but no they all want to go to the 'West'

But if you ever have the misfortune of having limbs hacked off/been tortured in a cell for months on end/watched your family members being raped in front of you/watched family memebers being killed or tortured, because you raised your voice or were of the "wrong ethnicity" you may begin to see it's not such a simple issue.

If I was faced with a situation like this then I would stand and fight, not skulk off to some remote part of the world and cry 'poor me'.

like I said, no respect for anyone that turns tail and runs

togster · 27-05-2008 08:38AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

how about the people in our own country who are having a hard go of it, shouldnt we help them first?

Some people are worse off than others. Most asylum seekers come from war ravaged areas.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

If I was faced with a situation like this then I would stand and fight, not skulk off to some remote part of the world and cry 'poor me'.

like I said, no respect for anyone that turns tail and runs

What age are you? If you were a woman with 4 small kids to feed, you would stand and fight!! Thats absurd. You don't know what you would do. becuase you have never been in that situation. It's different from the movies.

dodgyme · 27-05-2008 09:55AM

tallaght01 wrote: »

what many asylum seekers have had to put up with in their home contries before they get here?.

Most of the asylum seekers in Ireland are from nigeria. Nigeria didnt have direct transport links to ireland until recently becuase of the demand created by the ongoing scam. What they put up with in there own country was being part of a corrupt middle class cross section with access to the internet and information to manipulate their way into Ireland. The people who suffer any humanitarian issues in Africa dont make there through the ariports of europe to good old ireland because the other countries arent good enough???. It is an organised scam and has to be by its nature. I spent long enough in nigeria to see it for myself and have posted before on this as have other people.

dodgyme · 27-05-2008 09:56AM

togster wrote: »

Some people are worse off than others. Most asylum seekers come from war ravaged areas. .

You dont have a clue what you are on about mate,

biko · 27-05-2008 10:03AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Mark my words - a racial divide is coming here and you must be prepared.

This is my favourite part, so... foreboding somehow. Dum dum dum dum

Dudess · 27-05-2008 10:14AM

Asylum seekers should get priority - anyone who'd put our already thriving economy before a group of young women who face getting their flanges sewn up and their clits cut off with bits of broken glass needs help.

Also, asylum seekers aren't entitled to work so no, they don't want to get everything free because they've had it tough. Given how terrified they are of being sent back, they're the ones who are most likely to do things by the book.

Not to curb the amount of other types of migrants coming in would be foolish, but we should feel duty-bound to offer asylum to those who face torture or even death.

Zzippy · 27-05-2008 10:18AM

darkman2 wrote: »

So.........when stop the immigration?

When the first refugees from the zombie outbreak in Britain show up. You never know if one them is infected. Seal the border!

MIN2511 · 27-05-2008 10:22AM

The Irish population in Ireland is 4million and the Irish in America is how many? 35,975,855 and you are complaining about immigration, why not say get all the blacks, Indians and non white people out of the country. Every day young people are leaving for Australia, some without work visas hoping to struggle e.t.c so when someone starts a thread asking when do we stop the influx of people I wonder if he/she has relatives in America/Australia and if their relations are legal? And what do you say about kicking all the illegal Irish immigrants in America out of the country after all they don’t contribute to the society or do they?

gollyitsolly · 27-05-2008 10:25AM

Today Im sick of the lot of them. Im fed up with them on the roads,in the shops ,in pubs, in restaurants, in schools, in workplaces..and so on and on. Im sick of this bloody treaty crap. Im sick of this whole EU bloody union. I want them all to feck off back to where they came from . I want to go back to the pub and smoke. I want the corner shop and pub to come back and feck off lidl and aldi.........God Im in bad humour with the bleeding lot of them today. Can we not just get out of the bloody EU and go back to being the real Ireland ?:mad:

Mahatma coat · 27-05-2008 10:33AM

I live in australia luv, n I'm Legal.

dodgyme said it well there.

why should they get priority,seriously do you believe all the guff that they spout?

again, why cant they work?

MIN2511 · 27-05-2008 10:35AM

gollyitsolly wrote: »

Today Im sick of the lot of them. Im fed up with them on the roads,in the shops ,in pubs, in restaurants, in schools, in workplaces..and so on and on. Im sick of this bloody treaty crap. Im sick of this whole EU bloody union. I want them all to feck off back to where they came from . I want to go back to the pub and smoke. I want the corner shop and pub to come back and feck off lidl and aldi.........God Im in bad humour with the bleeding lot of them today. Can we not just get out of the bloody EU and go back to being the real Ireland ?:mad:

Had a conversation with a cab driver last night about this....
I atually remember when pints where so cheap, i remember the Irish punt, smoking in bars, before the Luas e.t.c.
Those days i would sit in St Green and have lunch.... we didn't knowabout global warming, fuel was still affordable...

That was 7yrs ago

I reckon you would be voting No to the Lisbon treaty?

ArmaniJeanss · 27-05-2008 10:36AM

gollyitsolly wrote: »

Today Im sick of the lot of them. Im fed up with them on the roads,in the shops ,in pubs, in restaurants, in schools, in workplaces..and so on and on. Im sick of this bloody treaty crap. Im sick of this whole EU bloody union. I want them all to feck off back to where they came from . I want to go back to the pub and smoke. I want the corner shop and pub to come back and feck off lidl and aldi.........God Im in bad humour with the bleeding lot of them today. Can we not just get out of the bloody EU and go back to being the real Ireland ?:mad:

I suspect the 'Real Ireland' would have a population of precisely ONE by the time you've finished.

Dudess · 27-05-2008 10:37AM

Ah... people living under a dictator should just stand up to the dictator and his bully boys! Nothing like a bit of dictator-stand-uppage to get the auld adrenalin going. Anyway, they're blacks! They're violent by nature anyway so they should have no problem getting those meanies off their backs.

And anyway, who's to say they don't deserve to get tortured to death for disagreeing with the regime's views? It's not fair to upset a dictator like that!

I admit it: we definitely need rolleyes back...

For the politically correct (challenged) when do we say 'stop'

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