poxy train drivers

chopperbyrne · 26-05-2008 12:42PM

A mate of mine works as an electrician on the DART lines and he said the last time the drivers striked, they all crossed the picket lines as they were sick of the drivers striking over things they had already agreed to.

Last time it was eight carriage DARTs.

kmart6 · 26-05-2008 01:24PM

kmart6 wrote: »

Felt sorry for the girl who texted in to I think it was 2FM to ask them to stop playin The Boss as she wassn't going to be able to see him cause the trains weren't running from Cork!

Well she already had bought her train ticket and night not have been able to afford one! And she might have timed it so the only option at the time was the train! I don't know like,se texted into the radio,not like I know her!

ART6 · 26-05-2008 02:14PM

Since the abolition of slavery most employees (obviously not military etc) have the right to withdraw their labour for whatever reason they choose. Employers have the right to employ whoever they want, although a raft of laws seem to be trying to change that, and to stop employing them if they wish. Therefore, from the employer's point of view, the reaction in the face of one man striking and brinking the business to a halt must be "Is his action unreasonable given his contract of employment?" "Is his action inflicting severe damage on the business?" "If he is disciplined or dismissed, will a larger strike result and will that cause any more damage to the business than has already occurred?"

If the answer to the first two questions is "yes", then to me that is gross misconduct and therefore a dismissible offence. If the answer to the third is "no", then face the union down and have done with it for once and for all.

None of this is to suggest that I am anti union. I am most certainly not. They are the interface and line of communication between the many employees and the few managers, and are essential in a well-run business. This is where I have some sympathy with the views expressed in this thread about the actions of the IE management. Do they see the unions as an essential part of the business? Do they really communicate with them? How much of this have they brought upon themselves by employing unsuitable people and not getting rid when they should have done?

DoubleJoe7 · 26-05-2008 04:39PM

Some people seem to be ignoring the fact that this strike is not backed by the union - this is a group acting without any authorisation.

This train driver was not asked to work any extra hours outside what he was rostered - instead of driving carriages around the station, he was asked to go on a training run.

His issue was that he was not rostered for that job that day. The union had previously signed an agreement under the labour relation commission that stipulated that irish rail could ask a certain degree of flexibility from the drivers.

The drivers are an absolute disgrace IMO.

cabrwab · 26-05-2008 05:17PM

Well whatever the reason its annoying people, nobody has any sympathy for the drivers at the moment.

They shouldn't be allowed any pay hike in the near future. A public sector employee wouldn't be able to stick the private workforce for a week. what ever about airing your grivence in public but to disrupt a country is a disgrace, i think we should introduce a booting!

Stark · 26-05-2008 05:25PM

ART6 wrote:

Since the abolition of slavery most employees (obviously not military etc) have the right to withdraw their labour for whatever reason they choose.

Not without giving sufficient notice.

CiDeRmAn wrote:

The big thing here is it all throws into sharp relief just how important and man hour hungry the public services are, whilst most of the idignant folk who find striking so reprehensible are in jobs that most can do without, namely the service industry.

So manhungry that they might appreciate extra drivers? Except if you try to feed them, you get bitten.

CiDeRmAn wrote:

It's a tribute then to the owners/managers of these services that they deflect the blame squarely onto the shoulders of the striking staff, while the management themselves, almost without fail, have plenty of prior notice that a difficulty is arising, but choose to do nothing about it.

Again with the evil management asking the poor oppressed workers to actually do their jobs.

Annatar · 26-05-2008 06:54PM

Ahh trains my old favourite gripe.

Be thankful you have trains that the drivers can strike on.

No drivers are striking on the Dublin-Donegal line cos there aint any!

Ffs... I really need to get something else to whinge about.
bah humbug!

AckwelFoley · 26-05-2008 07:23PM

Gladly, the passive gent that i am practice what i preach.

Im not a train driver, but my great grand father, my grand father and my own father were train drivers.

But dont worry, im not offended by the half witted comments about traindrivers, because im certain that every here commenting on the issue has indepth knowledge of what are the issues and the history behind all of this

Captain Darling · 26-05-2008 08:21PM

snyper wrote: »

But dont worry, im not offended by the half witted comments about traindrivers, because im certain that every here commenting on the issue has indepth knowledge of what are the issues and the history behind all of this

Please impart with us, from that deep bottomless reservoir of knowledge that you possess, your highly informed position/musings on the core points behind this industrial relations issue.

My father, my fathers father, and my fathers fathers father were camel herders in Egypt but that doesnt mean i know a fcuking thing about one hump or two. I'm so glad we didnt offend.

Neamhshuntasach · 26-05-2008 08:29PM

A mate of mine has a mate that works in the same station as the driver. We were talking about it yesterday and he said that the driver was rostered without being asked to train people in and take a different route that would add extra hours onto his day. When he refused to work the day and said that he was not a trainer and that he should not have the task of training new employees they removed him from payroll.

Every worker has the right to strike. It's amazing that people are always quick to blame the workers when it's the employers fault for creating conditions that warrant complaint and organized action. And they place the blame without even knowing the facts. Connolly and Larkin would be rolling in their graves at the attitude of Irish people today when it comes to workers rights.

briantwin · 26-05-2008 08:32PM

Infononymous wrote: »

Please impart with us, from that deep bottomless reservoir of knowledge that you possess, your highly informed position/musings on the core points behind this industrial relations issue.

My father, my fathers father, and my fathers fathers father were camel herders in Egypt but that doesnt mean i know a fcuking thing about one hump or two. I'm so glad we didnt offend.

Genetic memory ftw.

Captain Darling · 26-05-2008 08:40PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

A mate of mine has a mate that works in the same station as the driver. We were talking about it yesterday and he said that the driver was rostered without being asked to train people in and take a different route that would add extra hours onto his day. When he refused to work the day and said that he was not a trainer and that he should not have the task of training new employees they removed him from payroll.

Every worker has the right to strike. It's amazing that people are always quick to blame the workers when it's the employers fault for creating conditions that warrant complaint and organized action. And they place the blame without even knowing the facts. Connolly and Larkin would be rolling in their graves at the attitude of Irish people today when it comes to workers rights.

Fail.

Thats total hearsay. The Driver in question was on an as 'required shift,' he was asked to drive a train from point A to point B. A trainee was to sit in on this journey under the auspices of a local inspector. The driver was not asked to perform any training/supervision of training. No additional hours were to be added onto the Drivers shift.

How dare Irish Rail ask its driver to work!! The cheek.

Captain Darling · 26-05-2008 08:43PM

briantwin wrote: »

Genetic memory ftw.

Bet into us, so twas.:D

Stark · 26-05-2008 08:50PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote:

Connolly and Larkin would be rolling in their graves at the attitude of Irish people today when it comes to workers rights.

They lived in an age where unfair exploitation of workers was the norm and workers had little protection under law. These days workers have rights under law and there are legal means for sorting out disagreements. There's no excuse for illegal action.

Neamhshuntasach · 26-05-2008 09:06PM

Ask the Polish fella how much he earns and how many hours a week he works and tell me exploitation of workers is not the norm in certain industries.

The truth is that most workers don't know their rights so don't know they are being exploited by bosses. But management well know what the story is. Years ago the mistreatment was more blantant and obvious. These days it's more subtle. Such as students being rostered on to work late on a Friday night and then in early on a Saturday morning or being asked to do tasks outside the hours they are being paid. How many people are supposed to finish at 5 but end up leaving around 5:15 and are only paid to 5? Yeah it's only a small amount of time but it all adds up and it's become acceptable to a lot of people because of it's commonality.

The recent events at Ballymun Plaza are an example as well. But it wasn't heard about that much as it was only Ballymun.

AckwelFoley · 26-05-2008 09:44PM

Infononymous wrote: »

Please impart with us, from that deep bottomless reservoir of knowledge that you possess, your highly informed position/musings on the core points behind this industrial relations issue.

My father, my fathers father, and my fathers fathers father were camel herders in Egypt but that doesnt mean i know a fcuking thing about one hump or two. I'm so glad we didnt offend.

Ive no doubt that family relations of yours may have had close relationships with camels, and might i add just because your family are from Egypt, i too would not presume you automatically know how to fly a plane but nover bothered learning how to land it.

All that being said, i never said i knew the first thing about this particular dispute, but i generally try to refrain from such comments as "poxy" and "lazy bastards" when i know nothing about the subject other than what is being fed to you by the media and the managment themselves. Its all rather lazy on your behalf that you dont try to understand both sides of an issue before fireing off you mouth, but i suppose thats what the internet is for, to give people like your good self an opinion. Unfortunatley too many internet heros with opinions, yets sheepishly refrain from gob****e comments when forced reluctantly to express an opinion in public

Simplicity · 26-05-2008 09:46PM

snyper wrote: »

Gladly, the passive gent that i am practice what i preach.

Im not a train driver, but my great grand father, my grand father and my own father were train drivers.

But dont worry, im not offended by the half witted comments about traindrivers, because im certain that every here commenting on the issue has indepth knowledge of what are the issues and the history behind all of this

/lol Offended or not that is very low brow

Captain Darling · 26-05-2008 10:31PM

snyper wrote: »

Ive no doubt that family relations of yours may have had close relationships with camels, and might i add just because your family are from Egypt, i too would not presume you automatically know how to fly a plane but nover bothered learning how to land it.

Fair attempt at humour, nicely borders on racism, bigotry and ignorance all at once. Are you Roy Chubby Browns illegitimate son? Irony bypass.

snyper wrote: »

All that being said, i never said i knew the first thing about this particular dispute, but i generally try to refrain from such comments as "poxy" and "lazy bastards" when i know nothing about the subject other than what is being fed to you by the media and the managment themselves. Its all rather lazy on your behalf that you dont try to understand both sides of an issue before fireing off you mouth, but i suppose thats what the internet is for, to give people like your good self an opinion. Unfortunatley too many internet heros with opinions, yets sheepishly refrain from gob****e comments when forced reluctantly to express an opinion in public

Have you read any of my previous posts, do you spend too much time admiring your own handy work, to actually read threads properly???

Don't associate me with the 'poxy' or 'lazy bastards' comments. I am neither mislead by media propaganda or management spin. Its merely fact. Ask anyone who is not a train driver and is employed by Irish Rail in Cork/the rest of Ireland. Ask me. I've seen people left on platforms, because drivers have had 'issues.' Some of these people had to cancel medical appointments that have been booked months in advance, due to somebody having 'issues.' I dont feel sorry for the train drivers, i feel sorry for the public who have been jerked around by a bunch of overpaid, under worked, prima donnas (pardon the O'Learyism), and it makes me feel sick to the bone, at the thought of it.

I've no problem discussing this publicly, but on a professional level, i could be bullied, isolated and harassed for expressing these opinions, this has even occured to train drivers. Fact.

Blah, blah, fcuking blah. I am now going away to to find my happy place.

Cue sounds of waves lapping on the shore and sea gulls following a trawler in the distance.

AHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

AckwelFoley · 26-05-2008 11:00PM

Its merely fact. Ask anyone who is not a train driver and is employed by Irish Rail in Cork/the rest of Ireland. Ask me. I've seen people left on platforms, because drivers have had 'issues.' Some of these people had to cancel medical appointments that have been booked months in advance, due to somebody having 'issues.' I dont feel sorry for the train drivers, i feel sorry for the public who have been jerked around by a bunch of overpaid, under worked, prima donnas

You are useing the emotive issues of the public to deny Rail workers resolution of work conditions.

Under worked over paid comment of yours is ridiculous.

I think for 800 euro a week, going to work on any given days that is decided for you - is there any other job in ireland for that money that you can be charged with Manslaughter if you make a simple mistake in your job?

Again, you dont know the issues involved and thats simple.

Oh and no.. i hate roy brown..

Captain Darling · 26-05-2008 11:25PM

snyper wrote: »

You are useing the emotive issues of the public to deny Rail workers resolution of work conditions.

Under worked over paid comment of yours is ridiculous.

I think for 800 euro a week, going to work on any given days that is decided for you - is there any other job in ireland for that money that you can be charged with Manslaughter if you make a simple mistake in your job?

Again, you dont know the issues involved and thats simple.

Oh and no.. i hate roy brown..

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

AckwelFoley · 26-05-2008 11:30PM

Infononymous wrote: »

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

thats about as much as i would expect.

Jump on the "traindriver bastards - disrupting my day" bandwagon.
Its easier, lacks a little objectivity - your arguements are spoon fed, on a plate for you.

Its ok for you to strike of course... we can go elsewhere for our breakfast roll

Stark · 26-05-2008 11:32PM

snyper wrote: »

I think for 800 euro a week, going to work on any given days that is decided for you - is there any other job in ireland for that money that you can be charged with Manslaughter if you make a simple mistake in your job?

Truck drivers are paid less and don't have the security or benefits that come with a state paid job.

P_1 · 26-05-2008 11:34PM

Personally I think the drivers have shot themselves in the foot with this recent action. Wasn't there a 'strike' a few years back where nobody was charged for tickets for a weekend. TBH that is the most effective way of action for these train driverd IMHO.

AckwelFoley · 26-05-2008 11:41PM

Stark wrote: »

Truck drivers are paid less and don't have the security or benefits that come with a state paid job.

True.

Im paid less too.. i work in the private sector.

Do people with better paying jobs give up their right to hold on to their conditions?

Look, bottom line is - i honestly neither agree nor disagree with what is going on down in cork, bit ppl are making judgments on the traindrivers simply because it inconveniences them, which in my view is unfair.

People here claim to know the details of the problem, simple fact is they dont, nor do i.

If they were factory workers making computer chips the natiion would be behind them because it doesnt directly affect anyone.

AckwelFoley · 26-05-2008 11:43PM

Infononymous wrote: »

Did you not read my post. I work for Irish Rail and see this carry on first hand every day. My arguments are based on personal experience. They didnt go on strike. It was unofficial action.

Whereas you..............I still dont know where you are coming from. Try a little fact finding yourself. Objectivity me arse. Get your head out of your hole.

Administration in Irish rail are we?

Take ur head out of Mr Kennys arse

Captain Darling · 26-05-2008 11:50PM

snyper wrote: »

Administration in Irish rail are we?

Take ur head out of Mr Kennys arse

Ahh, i saw that coming. Hang on a minute whilst i take his balls out of my mouth. Nah seriously, the drivers have what can truly be an awful job sometimes, its just the damn carry on of them. Refer back to my previous post about the loss of the freight business (same thread). That cost us alot of jobs, some in Athlone too. Hope this craic doesnt do the same again. I'll get off me high horse now.

superhooper · 27-05-2008 12:04AM

Why the hell do his fellow colleagues have to go on strike in "sympathy". Whatever about the rights and wrongs there are laws, labour tribunals, labour courts to deal with peoples grievances. The rest of them should keep their noses out. It’s not like the whole lot of them had their pay docked or something. Any excuse did it for them no matter how isolated:mad:

thebaz · 27-05-2008 12:24AM

Nothing like a reliable public transport system that everyone uses

a deserted Connolly station tonight

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebaz/2526122482/

sdanseo · 27-05-2008 12:52AM

Infononymous wrote: »

Please impart with us, from that deep bottomless reservoir of knowledge that you possess, your highly informed position/musings on the core points behind this industrial relations issue.

My father, my fathers father, and my fathers fathers father were camel herders in Egypt but that doesnt mean i know a fcuking thing about one hump or two. I'm so glad we didnt offend.

So you learnt nothing whatsoever from your father, and knew nothing whatsoever aboutt he job he did/does?

Come on.

superhooper wrote: »

Why the hell do his fellow colleagues have to go on strike in "sympathy". Whatever about the rights and wrongs there are laws, labour tribunals, labour courts to deal with peoples grievances. The rest of them should keep their noses out. It’s not like the whole lot of them had their pay docked or something. Any excuse did it for them no matter how isolated

You'll appreciate it if it ever happens to you. If you work in the public sector it seems that's a lot more likely - I wonder why

I'm a public sector worker and I refuse to accept that these workers would all walk out if there was no genuine grievance. If this is proved otherwise, clearly I'll admit I'm wrong but until a traain driver joins boards (possible) and tells us all (never going to happen) all we can do is speculate. Which is all that really happens in AH anyway

SimpleSam06 · 27-05-2008 07:46AM

snyper wrote: »

I think for 800 euro a week, going to work on any given days that is decided for you - is there any other job in ireland for that money that you can be charged with Manslaughter if you make a simple mistake in your job?

Taxi drivers, sales reps, truck drivers, gardai, firemen, anyone that drives for work. Except unlike train drivers, they have to contend with random traffic and conditions on the roads they share with a million other people with varying degrees of mental stability.

The behaviour of the train drivers is similar to the actions of the teachers and the nurses - give us what we want or we'll bring the country to its knees. Bully boy tactics plain and simple, and fairly characteristic of the public sector. That day is coming to an end whether they like it or not.

poxy train drivers

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