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poxy train drivers

  • 23-05-2008 01:16PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭


    I only briefly caught this story, but am i right in thinking they went on strike because they will not train other drivers? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    jon1981 wrote: »
    I only briefly caught this story, but am i right in thinking they went on strike because they will not train other drivers? :confused:

    Don't use the train but I'd be highly pissed off if I were a train user. All I can say is recruit eastern european train drivers and sack the irish drivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭jon1981


    im serious its a joke when them guys, it seems they go on strike for anything, if their morning tea is too hot...lets strike!! Seriously if the strike is because they refuse to train new drivers well then i give up with this country, how is this country ever going to improve with spoiled throw your toys out of your pram workers like these!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭ronnie3585


    A shower of b*stards! Its the bloody unions I tells ya, bring back Thatcher (and move her to Ireland, and make her Taoiseach).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Ross_Mahon


    I think everyone in this country goes on strike! Nurses, taxi drives, and now train drivers... :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    jon1981 wrote: »
    im serious its a joke when them guys, it seems they go on strike for anything, if their morning tea is too hot...lets strike!! Seriously if the strike is because they refuse to train new drivers well then i give up with this country, how is this country ever going to improve with spoiled throw your toys out of your pram workers like these!

    The worst thing is they complained about not having enough drivers, then strike when new drivers are being brought in :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭jon1981


    DonJose wrote: »
    The worst thing is they complained about not having enough drivers, then strike when new drivers are being brought in :confused:

    :mad: useless bastards, i think people in this country are too use to the gravy train. why is unions can't tell their workers to be flexible, any job ive ever done involved me doing some tasks outside my job spec!!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    I was listening to an interview with Barry Kenny from irish Rail and the union dude on newstalk earlier. Its very odd.

    Basically one bloke in cork decided not to train anyone in so irish rail suspended him without pay. All other drivers are out on "sympathy".

    What is a further kick in the ghoulies for Irish Rail and the consumer, is that the union signed an agreement some time ago agreeing to cross train other drivers and to be flexible with it.

    The union dont seem to be quick to speak out against the strike which wasnt given union go ahead.

    There must be more to this story than we are hearing. If it is as it is being reporting, its unbelievable that there is no accountability in irish rail that this kind of carry on can occur in a crucial public service.

    If the individual who was suspended without pay was suspended on the basis of this particular event, it would seem heavy handed to me.

    But like i say there must be more to this.

    As for whoever made comment about sacking the workforce and hiring "eastern europeans". Presumably thats in jest??? A bit short sighted no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    It's all going a bit French these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭kittensoft1984


    I'm so glad im not going home this weekend!

    They better be back working for next weekend though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭DEmeant0r


    Jesus the one time I have to go to the Capital for something, this ****ing thing happens, god I hate the Irish workforce...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭jon1981


    is the rail service public sector?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭patrickc


    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055299025

    thread here in commuting and transport already


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,937 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    One awkward cnut ruining plans and arrangements for thousands of people. What an ignorant dichead.

    If there is no more to this story than one person refusing to do his jobmand the rest striking in sympathy then there should be public executions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    faceman wrote: »
    I was listening to an interview with Barry Kenny from irish Rail and the union dude on newstalk earlier. Its very odd.

    Basically one bloke in cork decided not to train anyone in so irish rail suspended him without pay. All other drivers are out on "sympathy".

    What is a further kick in the ghoulies for Irish Rail and the consumer, is that the union signed an agreement some time ago agreeing to cross train other drivers and to be flexible with it.

    The union dont seem to be quick to speak out against the strike which wasnt given union go ahead.

    There must be more to this story than we are hearing. If it is as it is being reporting, its unbelievable that there is no accountability in irish rail that this kind of carry on can occur in a crucial public service.

    If the individual who was suspended without pay was suspended on the basis of this particular event, it would seem heavy handed to me.

    But like i say there must be more to this.

    As for whoever made comment about sacking the workforce and hiring "eastern europeans". Presumably thats in jest??? A bit short sighted no?

    I was listening to that this morning as well and I don't recall hearing that he'd been suspended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Irish Rail = Tits on a bull.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭CrazyNoob


    Irish Rail =A Bull on Tits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭BobTheBeat


    Used to work with a guy a while back who was a train driver for years. The stories he had were unbelievable about the ****e they used to get up to. He told me about this old fella who used to drive his train to a siding close to house every day around 1, so he could hop in and have his dinner. Also mentioned that the union reps were fairly oppressive and there was very little scope for exhibiting any kind of individualistic behaviour. Seems to me that this is standard fare in most unions today. F*ck joe public, I want my pay rise and want to actually do less work for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    ronnie3585 wrote: »
    A shower of b*stards! Its the bloody unions I tells ya, bring back Thatcher (and move her to Ireland, and make her Taoiseach).
    Thatcher had to stare down a much smaller public sector than we have in Ireland. Here, we're pretty much humped. Thank your politicians for that by the way, who spent the last 8 years building it up.
    faceman wrote: »
    its unbelievable that there is no accountability in irish rail that this kind of carry on can occur in a crucial public service.
    Its the same with most of the public sector, I don't know why this is such a source of astonishment to you.
    DEmeant0r wrote: »
    Jesus the one time I have to go to the Capital for something, this ****ing thing happens, god I hate the Irish public sector workforce...
    Fixed that for you.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Collie D wrote: »
    I was listening to that this morning as well and I don't recall hearing that he'd been suspended.

    It was the news earlier today i picked that up from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    5starpool wrote: »
    One awkward cnut ruining plans and arrangements for thousands of people. What an ignorant dichead.

    If there is no more to this story than one person refusing to do his jobmand the rest striking in sympathy then there should be public executions.

    Dear lord...if there's no more to you than that attitude you should be first on the block. Everyone (with notable exceptions, obviously) is entitled to strike if they don't like pay and conditions, why should train drivers be any different? If they're on strike in the first place, especialy so frequently, then clearly Iarnród Éireann have a management/HR problem - although of course that's hardly new information.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭zero19


    I think the attitude they have is pretty bad, a strike is an action that shouldn't be taken lightly but if the story is true then if i were in a HR position he would have been told to train this driver or be sacked. There should be no place for anyone who isn't willing to perform a duty of his job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    zero19 wrote: »
    I think the attitude they have is pretty bad, a strike is an action that shouldn't be taken lightly but if the story is true then if i were in a HR position he would have been told to train this driver or be sacked. There should be no place for anyone who isn't willing to perform a duty of his job.

    Unless of course it's an extra duty lumbered on him/her for little or no extra pay - which I suspect (complete speculation fwiw) us probably the case. I'm not personally inconvenienced by this and if I was yes, I'd be pissed off...but people should understand that it's not always the fault of the employee who isn't afraid to speak out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    sdonn_1 wrote: »
    Unless of course it's an extra duty lumbered on him/her for little or no extra pay - which I suspect (complete speculation fwiw) us probably the case. I'm not personally inconvenienced by this and if I was yes, I'd be pissed off...but people should understand that it's not always the fault of the employee who isn't afraid to speak out.


    Theres no extra duty on them. They want less hours and the same money. They are an absolute joke and its a disgrace that they have discommoded thousands of people, at a time when we should be encouraging people to take the train. If Irish Rail was a private business they would be sacked. They realise they are in a position of power whereby they can hold Irish Rail to ransom, even though their present work conditions and pay are excellent, its barefaced greed that is motivating these actions. Nothing less.

    The last time they went on strike, it totally backfired on them because it directly lead to Irish Rail losing a large amount of freight business (Guinness) which led to several hundred jobs within the company being cut.

    I am getting excited about this, so i'll say no more.


    Rant over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I guess the non public sector workers of this state have had no reason to be unhappy with their lot for so long that they forget the need for a union, they forget the role of the union.
    Don't they know that for most employers the workers are merely another resource to be exploited, used up? just liek the raw materials themselves. And if a cheaper alternative arises they will defer to that, no loyalty, no thought at all.
    So, as a public sector worker, if I, via my union, take umbrage with a descision taken by management that affects my day to day, when my opinions and my arguements are disregarded, why shouldn't I have the right to strike? Why should I be bullied by my management to hop through their hoops?

    The big thing here is it all throws into sharp relief just how important and man hour hungry the public services are, whilst most of the idignant folk who find striking so reprehensible are in jobs that most can do without, namely the service industry.

    Striking by it's very nature means a stop or degredation of normal service, therfore, again by its nature, it means service users are going to be deprived.
    It's a tribute then to the owners/managers of these services that they deflect the blame squarely onto the shoulders of the striking staff, while the management themselves, almost without fail, have plenty of prior notice that a difficulty is arising, but choose to do nothing about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Felt sorry for the girl who texted in to I think it was 2FM to ask them to stop playin The Boss as she wassn't going to be able to see him cause the trains weren't running from Cork!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    She could have got the bus???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    The big thing here is it all throws into sharp relief just how important and man hour hungry the public services are, whilst most of the idignant folk who find striking so reprehensible are in jobs that most can do without, namely the service industry.
    The private sector pays for your public sector workers, it pays for your holidays, it pays for your hour long coffee breaks, its pays for your non contributory pensions, it pays for your internet connection, it pays for your annual pay rises at double the rate of everyone else, it pays for your hiring sprees, it pays for your unions. So have a thought before you start looking down your nose at the private sector.

    The abuses in the bloated and inefficient public sector were well known during the boom period, but it didn't matter so much then since a lot of people were doing well. Now that a recession is upon us, the gravy train has come to a halt and you can expect a lot more scrutiny of what exactly goes on on the back of the taxpayer in this country.

    The public sector is about to learn a hard lesson - if you're spending other people's money, its only a matter of time before they start looking for value for that. And you'd better believe no amount of strikes will help you at the end of the day.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,937 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    sdonn_1 wrote: »
    Dear lord...if there's no more to you than that attitude you should be first on the block. Everyone (with notable exceptions, obviously) is entitled to strike if they don't like pay and conditions, why should train drivers be any different? If they're on strike in the first place, especialy so frequently, then clearly Iarnród Éireann have a management/HR problem - although of course that's hardly new information.

    If he had a genuine grievance, yes, but in this case nothing I have heard has sounded like even a mild complaint, just some awkward bollokcs who didn't want to do more than the absolute minimum required of him. There are regular occasions where I have to do things I have never done before in my job, and I just get on with it and do it. As long as I get paid for my hours and I am in no physical danger, then one task or another - makes little difference.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭TheRealBoss


    I heard the drivers arrived back to work today but Irish Rail asked them to sogne something ...... letter saying that they would not strike, etc.

    But the lads took exception (it was probably too early in the morning for that sort of thing !!!!!) and walked out again.

    Now I don't like the drivers attitude but Irish Rail should have known the reaction the letter would cause. Why not let them back to work and let people uses the system ...... then sort it out !!!


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