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Children misbehaving

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Reku


    Ruu wrote: »
    Some parents don't seem to give a hoot. I am just back from a busy restaurant and 4 children and about 4 adults were sitting behind us. They were running around the table, hitting into the backs our of chairs and couldn't sit still for one second. Ah back in my day, you could give them a clip on the ear and nothing would be said. :p

    And this is why I feel "ADHD" is on the rise, how great is it for parents to be able to label their child as suffering from a disorder rather than from lack of any parental discipline. While in some cases there may be a genuine neurological basis for "ADHD" I'd put money on it being down to feckless wasters for parents in most cases.
    Invent illnesses to blame and throw drugs at all your problems, including your own kids, seems to be the modern way of living.

    *FYI when I was quite young a nurse did at one point suggest that I might be "ADHD" but thankfully my parents took no notice. Fact is I just have a really high IQ and was getting bored, a few years later (by about 2nd class) with discipline when needed and I was quite well behaved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Children in the pub is the reason I detest the pub on Christmas Eve. I do not think it is a suitable place for children. It is always the same, parents getting hammered while the children run riot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Driver 8


    Entertainment is assured any time anyone actually confronts a parent about their children's behaviour in a public area. Nine times out of ten, I've seen the parent throw an almighty rant back in said person's face...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Driver 8 wrote: »
    Entertainment is assured any time anyone actually confronts a parent about their children's behaviour in a public area. Nine times out of ten, I've seen the parent throw an almighty rant back in said person's face...

    Because people don't like being confronted with the fact that they're probably $hite parents and shouldn't be letting their little darlings rampage around the pub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    Easy knowing the people giving out about these children have none of their own.
    Quick someone reset the "Your opinion doesnt count because you dont have kids" clock.

    If your child cannot behave then please dont ruin other people's meals by attempting to socialise them.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've no kids, but I do have nieces and nephews.
    Couple of points to make -

    Ireland is one of the most child-unfriendly countries, in my travelling experience.
    Ever see an Italian/Spanish/Mexican/Thai family out for a meal?
    Everyone is there, from grandpa to babies. The kids rarely misbehave because they're used to being out with their families and it's no big deal to be in a restaurant.
    If a child does start making noise, it's also no big deal really.
    In Ireland, if your child makes a peep you get the kind of looks from fellow diners as if you had walked dog ****e across the floor.

    I agree that pubs are no place for kids. However if a pub markets itself as somewhere to eat on a Sunday, however, expect families there.

    To anyone who complains how people can't 'control' their kids, spend 48 hours with a three-year-old.
    Believe it or not, they don't come with a remote control and and OFF button.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    I think its hilarious when children run around pubs like lunatics, I have none of my own but watching the little bastards run around and annoy people cheers me up makes me wish I could join in the fun they seem to be having at everyone else's expense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    My kids behave themselves when out, ergo we and they have a much more enjoyable meal or whatever.

    It's not bloody rocket science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭big b


    While kids in any country can & do play up in public, here they seem to act like bloody savages on acid. The parents are guilt-ridden cos they spend so little time with them, so don't want to scold them. Or, and maybe also, they couldn't give a **** about anyone else's enjoyment being spoiled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    nerin wrote: »
    im pretty sure itd be a safe bet to say ireland england and the us have the worst kids.
    Haha im pretty sure thats a ridicules statement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭galah


    have to agree with the lack of parenting skills frequently seen around (not just Ireland though).

    Went out the other day, to a cafe, and a child (I'd say she was 7 or 8) was screaming blue murder cause she wanted chocolate. The mum ignored her, and let the kid scream, annoying everyone in the cafe. I made a comment about the screaming child (the kid was definitely old enough to be told to stop, and the mother should have been able to shut her up), and what did I get - a lot of abuse from the mother. So the mother managed to tell me off for asking the kid to shut up, but didn't manage to control her own kid? Nice.

    (and I am not a cow - if the kid had been a lot younger, or in pain, or what have you, I would have understood that she was screaming, but an 8 year old screaming for chocolate? I don't think so.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭ghouldaddy07


    I rember breing in the pub with the parents back in the day and how soul destroying the bordom can be.
    Let ths kids run around as long as their not climbing on your table or directly interfering with you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    I work in a family friendly pub / restaurant where we post a nice sign..."we don't mind kids, we hope you do".

    If children are let run a muck, and often to be fair to most parents they are not, we politely ask a parent to please for the sake of the child, keep them under control. Explaining that children running at full speed through an open bar where hot food is served....is a open invitation for an accident. And let them know casualty is 1 hours drive away. This is usually enough. If its not then it gets a little trickier. All depends on the level of disruption and if we percieve the general safety of other people is being compromised then the issue is raised again with the parent and that pointed out....with an "I'd hate to have to ask you to leave". Point to the games room and ask them to send the children in there.

    If establishments are prepared to put up with it, then speak with your feet. How would anyone feel if they had hot soup sent flyng in their direction because of one tearaway kid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    A simple solution: leave them in creches 24/7.:) Ah, everything all wrapped up at post 45.

    Now, thread closed! Please move on! Nothing to see here!:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭echosound


    It's a total lack of consideration by some lax parents that certain kids are let run riot. I don't mind noisy kids having a bit of a laugh, that's what they do, but draw the line at little gurriers running around knocking over waiting staff carrying hot dishes in their hand, slapping off other people's chairs, and generally being little terrors, which the parents either studiously ingore their offspring, or gaze indulgently at how wonderful their little miracles are.

    Simple solutions, which were employed by many parents when I was a kid, and are still employed by many parents I know - if you know they are too young to sit still for a long time, either a) make sure you are in and out quickly, leaving no time for them to get overly bored, or pick an establishment that has child friendly areas like a little playarea etc and b) bring material along to occupy them.

    A colouring book and some markers will suffice, or if they're past that age, a nintendo DS or such. A large part of the reason kids act up when out, is they're bored out of their trees sitting in a boring room with adults talking rubbish, give them something to occupy themselves with that involves them sitting down and having fun, rather than running round tripping people up and hurting themselves off corners. Not exactly rocket science.

    I agree about children in "ford'n climes" being slightly better behaved than our own Irish children in general, the reason for this IMO is that more places are family friendly, and children learn how to behave appropriately when in a restaurant situation at an earlier age.

    A lot of it is I am sure down to the parenting of many people - if kids know what is seen as "bold" and that they will see consequences for their actions they will try to remain well behaved (any kids I know do anyway), no point threatening little Cian or Isabella with a "mummy will get angry if you don't stop doing that" if mummy or daddy just keeps repeating that while smiling fondly and never follows through on their promises of consequences. I know I for one would instantly sit down and shut up when I was a young kid if my mother threw me that look that meant - you're in trouble young miss if you don't give that up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭speaktofrank


    Children have to be off a licenced premises by 9pm.
    Which is a pain for tourists who come into a pub wanting to listen to the diddly daddly with their perfectly behaved kids, it usually seem to be the Irish ones who seem to act up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭suzi-suz


    this tread is getting annoying...i have kids and i bring them to pubs for sunday dinner not very often,but when i do they are well behaved...i think kids that are running about and screaming and shouting are BORED!!! as u would if u had to sit and wait while ur parents had a few drinks after their meal...and if u dont like the noise of kids go some where that kids are not allowed,otherwise grin and bear it kk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    I dont think that other patrons should have to "grin and bear it" if kids are acting up. The parents should have some control over their offspring. If they are acting up, they should discipline them or as I've seen with my parents with my younger siblings - leave. Its a matter of courtesy to both the other customers and the staff of the restaurant. I mean who is in control in the parent-child relationship these days, do parents actually control their kids anymore or is it vice versa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭JangoFett


    Suzi-Suz....where are kids not allowed exactly, can you enlighten me? Strip Clubs? Not a realistic option. Seriously, WHERE?

    Cuz I'm sick of kids whose parent don't parent them. Any child you see running around screaming is doing so because their parents do nothing about it. My 2 cousins are well behaved when they go to places because their parents paid close attention to them growing up, they're 7 and 9, and they know what they can and cannot do in social places like pubs and restaurants.

    What REALLY gripes me is parents who bring portable dvd players to retaurants for their kids. I see it a few times a week in the restaurant I work in. I mean...REALLY?! And the parents get snippy with me when there isn't a plug socket near their table! I should tell them to cop the f*ck on and pay attention to their kids or next thing they know their kids are 16 and criminals.

    If you don't know how to be a parent, don't become one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    suzi-suz wrote: »
    this tread is getting annoying...i have kids and i bring them to pubs for sunday dinner not very often,but when i do they are well behaved...i think kids that are running about and screaming and shouting are BORED!!! as u would if u had to sit and wait while ur parents had a few drinks after their meal...and if u dont like the noise of kids go some where that kids are not allowed,otherwise grin and bear it kk
    Irresponsible parenting. Terrible.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭GirlInterrupted


    JangoFett wrote: »

    ........What REALLY gripes me is parents who bring portable dvd players to retaurants for their kids. I see it a few times a week in the restaurant I work in. I mean...REALLY?! ...............................
    If you don't know how to be a parent, don't become one

    I can't believe people actually do that...........poor kids probably sit in front of tv at home all day too, to spare their parents the bother of actually interacting with them. Result is kids lacking in both social skills and social graces, expecting instant gratification all their lives. Kids running around screaming while their parents tune them out always annoy me, I wonder if anyone actually tries to teach manners and courtesy to their kids at home anymore??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭JangoFett


    I have 2 other young cousins and the only discipline they get is when they go to my mothers house or certain aunts houses. Their Mother, god bless her, just can't handle it, I guess she wasn't ready to have them and shouldn't have. Sometimes they refuse to eat because they know it upsets her. So I end up shouting at them when I'm there and frightening the ****e out of them, thats what they need, a little fear in their lives!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    I dont believe children are meant to spend the day / evening in the pub. That is just wrong. Stopping for a meal is fine.

    Parents may have perfect control over their children at home, but when out for dinner, food shopping or anything that involves being out in public - the game can change. You see it all the time, kids screaming at the counter wanting sweets, making a down-right show. But that is because they are smart enough to know that they are causing the mother / father embaressment, whom are probably VERY conscience of the fact that there are people standing by - arms folded and clicking their tongues, i.e. not minding their own business. The parent(s) often give into the behaviour just to put an end to the scene, which rewards the behaviour.

    I've seen it happen before. The mother standing in front of me in the que turning all shades of red and purple. I've made the :eek: face at children before, and gave them the 'oooh are you being good for your Mommy' line, followed by a positive comment like 'I do like your shoes, where can I get a pair like them'. Moms blood-pressure takes a much needed dip and most of the time the child will be distracted for a bit.

    I part-agree with anyone who says it is none of my business, but I know what its like. Kids can be the most manipulative buggers under the sun. Its not entirely fair to tar parents with the same brush if you catch their kids being a little unruly.

    Families generally spend quite a few quid when they come in to a pub for food, more so than the joe soap in the corner by himself tutting. They have the 'no kids after.. o'clock' rule for a reason, to accomodate those who want a quiet pint.

    Soak it up, I say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭suzi-suz


    ok i get it...so what are parents supposed to do sit indoors and never go to a pub with their kids ?? come on now thats just not gonna happen...and remember u ppl were kids at some time ( maybe not so long ago ) and when u have kids of ur own are u never going to enter a pub ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭JangoFett


    Get a babysitter!!!!!!!!!

    My god, is it that hard?!

    I was babysat, and I've babysat dozens of children!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    As an Irish person who's also worked in childrens' wards in the UK, New Zealand, Australia and Africa, I have found that kids are as badly behaved elsewhere as they are here.

    That's not to say we have well behaved kids. It's just that they're mental in most countries.

    Parents nowadays are totally spoiling their kids. There's often near zero discipline. I'm not talking about smacking. Most paediatricians are 100% against smacking a child, and I'm one of them.

    BUT you have to be the boss. I get so many parents with kids like those described above referred to our behavioural problems clinic because they run amok in restaurants etc.

    I tell the parents that you start simple...tell little Timmy you'll confiscate his Xbox for a week if he steps out of line, and make sure you follow through. Most of them look at me like I've 2 heads. Others come back for their next appointment saying they "hadn't the heart" to impose punishments.

    People complain that there's a whole generation of kids nowadays being raised by their grandparents. That's true, but it's not always a bad hting. Some of those tough grannies know how to discipline a kid!

    And most of those kids aren't ADHD kids, they just have no boundaries,a nd they've had fizzy drinks in the restaurant. Despite there being a common perception about ADHD just being down to bed parenting, it's a really dreadful illness. It's heartbreaking to watch their parents try to cope. But those parents have usually long given up bringing their kid out for dinner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭JangoFett


    ADHD is a new thing though, or at least the excuse of adhd is new

    When I was a kid there was no such thing as adhd and people were the same, I think its a cop out.

    I was slapped as a child when I was out of line and I turned out ok, I think that sometimes the only way to get through to a child is a slap. They have to live in fear of something, sounds weird but if their only fear is their xbox disappearing for a week, they won't care...its a week and they're children, they have other things, but a slap is way scarier than that to them.

    I'm not saying you should beat your kids obviously, just a slap or two when they deserve it. I've seen kids LAUGH at their parents when they misbehave cuz they know their parents won't hit them, and therefore there is no FEAR!!!

    I have no kids and don't want them because well, I'm a big child, I want to spend my money on ME and nice things for ME, like comic books and action figures.

    But my little cousins are scared I'll hit them when they misbahave in my house, I haven't slapped them, they're not mine after all, but I threaten it all the time and slap my brothers in front of them to prove the point

    Mental torture works


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    JangoFett wrote: »
    Get a babysitter!!!!!!!!!

    My god, is it that hard?!

    I was babysat, and I've babysat dozens of children!!!

    *!!BAM!!* Take that!

    *!!POW!!* And that!

    *!!Sock!!* And have one of those while your at it!11!!


    Sersiously, put the auld exclamation marks back in their holsters.

    Parents get baby-sitters to come by when they want to have a quiet drink without their children. Families are entitled to go out for dinner as much as singletons. Or do you suggest they eat only in McDonalds?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭JangoFett


    I guess my post was a bit bam, sock and so forth, but thats my tone of voice, I'm a very expressive young man.

    If someone's gonna go to a place like a big restaurant then have the decency to try to keep your kids behaved, the parents who let their kids run around deserve to be given dirty looks and even given out to by people. I might start saying things to people, kids have the tendency to run and fall down and restaurants aren't childproof, and next thing little jimmy falls over, loses and eye, cuts himself whatever and the restaurant gets sued because the parents weren't watching their child. It happens all the time


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    JangoFett wrote: »
    ADHD is a new thing though, or at least the excuse of adhd is new

    When I was a kid there was no such thing as adhd and people were the same, I think its a cop out.

    I was slapped as a child when I was out of line and I turned out ok, I think that sometimes the only way to get through to a child is a slap. They have to live in fear of something, sounds weird but if their only fear is their xbox disappearing for a week, they won't care...its a week and they're children, they have other things, but a slap is way scarier than that to them.

    I'm not saying you should beat your kids obviously, just a slap or two when they deserve it. I've seen kids LAUGH at their parents when they misbehave cuz they know their parents won't hit them, and therefore there is no FEAR!!!

    I have no kids and don't want them because well, I'm a big child, I want to spend my money on ME and nice things for ME, like comic books and action figures.

    But my little cousins are scared I'll hit them when they misbahave in my house, I haven't slapped them, they're not mine after all, but I threaten it all the time and slap my brothers in front of them to prove the point

    Mental torture works

    ADHD is absoloutely not new. It's diagnosed more often now because A) there's treatments for it now and B) There's proper diagnostic criteria for it now.

    People weren't the same. When you were a kid those ADHD sufferers went without treatment, and misse dout on an education. At least now they have a hope. But even with ritalin/risperidone it's still a struggle for them.

    There were stacks of mental kids at my school. but no-one went looking too hard for ADHD because there was nothing you could do about it.

    I still think slapping is wrong. It's still an adult beating a child. If an adult clattered you, you'd run to the cops. But you can beat a tiny defenceless person. I can't get my head around that, but it's an age old argument that'll never be resolved in my lifetime.

    If you think kids won't mind you taking away their games console for a week, then you've not got alot of experience with kids. The point was a general one. It doesn't have to be their computer. There are all kinds of things that kids love, and would hate to have taken away...be it ballet lessons, soccer training etc. Those techniques work far better than smacking.

    Just look at people beating the crap out of their kids in supermarkets etc. It never works. It's a medieval parenting technique that people delude themselves into thinking is effective, because they've not consistently employed other strategies.


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