Giles and dunphy criticizing Terry for taking penalty

Xavi6 · 22-05-2008 09:03AM

redspider wrote: »

There's no other way to settle matches, although I wouldnt mind seeing a different system instead where players get the ball on the half-way line and try and run in and score with the goalie allowed to come off the line, etc, perhaps a 15-second time limit. It would reduce the element of lottery and goalies guessing perhaps.

Sorry but a big -1 from me on that one. I've seen it in the MLS and it looks absolutely crap. Keepers still have to guess whether the player's going left or right so doesn't really eliminate that.

jank · 22-05-2008 09:03AM

Kaluo should have taken the last one.

ibh · 22-05-2008 09:05AM

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Personnaly I would have went for Kalou to take one ahead of Terry, when I saw terry step up my 1st thought was he is going to miss, then I started to think and IMO (Bold just to make sure you all see it) he saw it as the chance to make himself a supreme Chelsea legend and score the goal that wins them their 1st Champions League trophy.

I'd say it was more a case of him say that he would take a peno but go last. That way the 'regular / experienced' takers go first and he might not even be needed.
IMO it doesn't matter which player steps up, it's in their head not their footballing ability, that they score or miss.
I would have had Terry up ahead of Anelka cause Terry looked like he wanted one. Anelka looked like he was going to miss from the moment he stepped up.

gucci · 22-05-2008 09:07AM

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Terry's kick wasn't the pressure kick, Nani's, Kalou's and Anelka's kicks were.

In fairness, any penalty in a final is a pressure kick, everyone of them a decider and if Terry had have scored it would have been the winner.....so i think its fair to say there was alot of pressure on him.

jank wrote: »

Kaluo should have taken the last one.

Sweet beautiful hindsight.......

kryogen · 22-05-2008 09:11AM

Terry wanted to take it, for personal reasons im sure, but more because John Terry is a leader, he steps up when the pressure is on, and he was unlucky last night, cm's from being the hero. He should in no way now be tarred the villain

now please no more of this because i feel dirty having to defend the man

How about we talk about the Tevez peno?? now that was a ****ing penalty! Cech wasnt getting near that, great head under the pressure of having to go first there imo

kryogen · 22-05-2008 09:13AM

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Terry's kick wasn't the pressure kick, Nani's, Kalou's and Anelka's kicks were.

A big fat - 100 here

how was Terrys kick not a pressure kick? last peno, if he scores they win, if he misses it goes to sudden death and he has blown the chance of personal glory and will be haunted by the miss for the rest of his career

jank · 22-05-2008 09:13AM

John Terry ****ed it up. He saw his name in lights and he wanted that England armband.

Sweet beautiful hindsight......

Well id rather an attack minded player take it rather then a CB.

masterK · 22-05-2008 09:17AM

If you look closely you'd see Terry didn't slip until after his contact with the ball, the slip didn't influence the direction of the ball. If he had not of slipped the ball would of taken exactly the same path.

gucci · 22-05-2008 09:18AM

ibh wrote: »

looked like he was going to miss from the moment he stepped up.

Once again in hindsight yes he did, Anelka never looks like the ruthless player that he should be in such situations...

Was it just me (basically not really caring who won and analyising it more than normal) or did the ref seem to stand over the ball for a long time before each kick was taken..........maybe he didn't i just thought he did

gucci · 22-05-2008 09:20AM

jank wrote: »

Well id rather an attack minded player take it rather then a CB.

In that situation I would rather whoever I thought was going to score, which is not always the attack minded player......for example ronaldo, anelka etc

cournioni · 22-05-2008 09:22AM

kryogen wrote: »

A big fat - 100 here

how was Terrys kick not a pressure kick? last peno, if he scores they win, if he misses it goes to sudden death and he has blown the chance of personal glory and will be haunted by the miss for the rest of his career

It wasn't a sudden death kick, that is why. If Nani missed his, Chelsea won the CL, if Kalou missed his United won the CL, Anelka did miss his and United won the CL!!

Personal glory my arse, I know there is always pressure on the players in these shootouts, but Terry's was not THE pressure kick.

IrishMike · 22-05-2008 09:34AM

jank wrote: »

Well id rather an attack minded player take it rather then a CB.

Excellent point i would much prefer an attacker like Torres who is crap at
taking penalties to a defender like Irwin who was brilliant at taking them
Stop talking crap.
Terry took on the responsibility when Anelka shirked it.
He took the 7th penalty even though he was the only out and out striker
Chelsea had on the pitch, says as much about Terry as it does Anelka IMHO.

jank · 22-05-2008 09:44AM

IrishMike wrote: »

Excellent point i would much prefer an attacker like Torres who is crap at
taking penalties to a defender like Irwin who was brilliant at taking them
Stop talking crap.
Terry took on the responsibility when Anelka shirked it.
He took the 7th penalty even though he was the only out and out striker
Chelsea had on the pitch, says as much about Terry as it does Anelka IMHO.

Christ sore head this morning?

If im talking crap then did Kaolu score his peno?
Oh right but im talking crap..next!

Nalz · 22-05-2008 09:49AM

I sense a Kalou is/isn't an out and out striker argument coming on

Ah rte go OTT on alot of things...Giles saying Ronaldo was a disgrace against Arsenal? Why? Its great tv though.

therecklessone · 22-05-2008 09:52AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It seemed to me like criticism for the sake of criticism. Then hearing Dunphy bash Ronaldo saying he 'bottled it'. Cos his on-target penalty was saved? Petty rants I think.

Ding Dong!

That's Giles and Dunphy to a T.

IrishMike · 22-05-2008 09:52AM

jank wrote: »

Christ sore head this morning?

If im talking crap then did Kaolu score his peno?
Oh right but im talking crap..next!

No, nothing wrong with my head thanks.
Kalou scored his penalty but it had nothing to do with him being an attacker.
Did Ashley Cole or Beletti miss their penalties?
You either can take penalties or you cant, has nothing to do with being an
attacker or a defender.
Ever hear of Rogério Ceni ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fespo4yYihs

lisbon_lions · 22-05-2008 10:02AM

Technically, Ronaldo's penalty was the worst taken. If you run up and stop just short, even for a second, you are esentially only giving yourself two-steps into the ball and you make the keepers job a lot easier to read your intended placing.

Terry was just unfortunate that his footing went from under him.

spiderdan · 22-05-2008 11:23AM

Terry took it for the wrong reasons- He saw the headlines, spotlights, England armband, Chelsea legend forever etc and thought I want some of that let me take the last one!! Kalou should defo have taken the 5th peno. The min I saw Terry walking up I knew he'd miss, as did the UTD fans I was watching it with. He didn't look comfortable! I agree with the previous post the slip didn't interfere with the patch of the ball if you look closely at it.

leninbenjamin · 22-05-2008 11:35AM

spiderdan wrote: »

Terry took it for the wrong reasons- He saw the headlines, spotlights, England armband, Chelsea legend forever etc and thought I want some of that let me take the last one!!

ah that's bull in fairness. you never know what reasons they take one for; he could be one of the better penalty takers in the squad in training for all we know. if anything he looked confident for the penalty, but just tried too hard and overran the run, but in fairness he still managed to hit the post which is impressive considering how badly his left foot went out from underneath him.

spiderdan · 22-05-2008 11:45AM

Looking at it closely he slipped after the ball left his foot, therefore made no difference!

Obviously penalties are a lottery, but having Terry take one ahead of Kalou seems to be much more of lottery! how confident would UTD fans have been if Rio stepped up to keep them in it??? Poor decision making from Chelsea, no way Ferguson would have let a Rio or Vidic take the 5th peno ahead of say Tevez or even Nani!! Terry seems to have far too much control over the team- IMO

gucci · 22-05-2008 11:53AM

spiderdan wrote: »

Terry took it for the wrong reasons- He saw the headlines, spotlights, England armband, Chelsea legend forever etc and thought I want some of that let me take the last one!.

Genuinely........do you think all that went through his mind? Ok I'm not a professional footballer, but in a situation like that i would be thinking "good contact, keep the ball on target" & obviously there would be pros and cons of actually missing and what the penalty mean, but you have got to filter that out. .......maybe thats what causes players to miss, think about it too much and forget to concentrate on the essential part..........right im off to write my book on sports psychology.......

IrishMike · 22-05-2008 11:54AM

You do realise that if terrys penalty had been 1cm to the left it would have went in and everyone would be saying he had nerves or steel and that it was an unbelievable penalty?
He was a lick of paint from being an all time hero.
And how can people say he did it for the wrong reasons, for all you know that could
have been the order of penalty kicks before the match with drogba taking belettis kick.

ShoulderChip · 22-05-2008 11:57AM

IrishMike wrote: »

You do realise that if terrys penalty had been 1cm to the left it would have went in and everyone would be saying he had nerves or steel and that it was an unbelievable penalty?
He was a lick of paint from being an all time hero.
And how can people say he did it for the wrong reasons, for all you know that could
have been the order of penalty kicks before the match with drogba taking belettis kick.

NO we know for sure he wasn't in the initial five
Hakem Ten Cats said so

gucci · 22-05-2008 12:01PM

ShoulderChip wrote: »

NO we know for sure he wasn't in the initial five
Hakem Ten Cats said so

See link

Bubs101 · 22-05-2008 12:48PM

As a Chelsea fan there was never any doubt in my mind that if we had a penalty to win it, be it 4th or 5th, JT would have taken it. It's not because he's a glorier or an egotist,it's because he's a great captain, has more Chelsea pride in his baby finger than most of the team and he handles pressure very very well normally.

Secondly, it's not as if it was a terrible penalty. Even if you discount the fact that he slipped he sent the keeper the wrong way and hit the post. Had a master of penalties like Totti or Ballack taken a carbon copy of the same one it would just be chalked down as unlucky

burnedfaceman · 22-05-2008 01:19PM

terry was trying to be the big 'un the last penalty IMHO and in defence of rte commentators they said you should have your best strikers of the ball take penalties not just you should not have defenders taking penalties

DerKaiser · 22-05-2008 01:21PM

Sometimes Giles and (pretty much all the time) Dunphy can be such muppets, JT was brave to get up and have the last make or break peno, he slipped, it happens, he must be in hell right now and he doesn't need people making stupid comments about his misfortune, he's doing enough of that in his own head, JT is a legend and I feel tremendous pride for this guy, he is the symbol of my club

delija_sever029 · 22-05-2008 01:26PM

Well now its easy to blame someone for choosing players,for missing penalties when they lost,if they win it who would blame Terry?Wouldnt United also wish Ronaldo die if they lost last night,its just not the point who missed or who was shooting,penalties are just lottery

4-age · 22-05-2008 01:26PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Then hearing Dunphy bash Ronaldo saying he 'bottled it'. Cos his on-target penalty was saved? Petty rants I think.

It would have been a foul penalty if he had of scored it tbh. He stoped dead.

22-05-2008 01:29PM

kerash wrote: »

Very unfair to critise Terry, any player can miss a pen in those circumstances, its a lottery. It takes some guts for them to step up. Didnt hear them complain that Rooney didn't take one.

Rooney was substituted so couldnt take one.

It is unfair to criticise anyone for missing in a shootout. it happens, its a lottery.

Giles and dunphy criticizing Terry for taking penalty

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