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Duff's worrying loss of form

  • 18-05-2008 06:54PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭


    Had a stinker of a game today for Ireland in a Friendly match against a local Portugeuse side Portimonese and was subbed at half time. Ireland played much better in the 2nd half and Keogh who came on for him made an immediate impact and got the equalising goal. Is this the End of Duffer ? :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    He's been a spent force for a while now IMO. He just can't get his fitness levels up for any more than a couple of games. I doubt will ever see him at his blistering best again.

    How did the game finish up?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    The equaliser, after halftime, against a part time team?

    WTF?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    El Trap now knows the scale of the job! ;)

    Nah, its hardly the game to judge many on - brains and body are on holliday I expect.

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    was 1-1 the final score?! sack the manager!! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Denis Irwin


    It finished 1-1 although Sean Scannell the young lad from Crystal Palace was very unlucky not to get the winner when he had a goal bound header cleared off the line.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    He's been off the pace since he's come back but I wouldn't rule him out yet.

    If he stays fit through preseason, we'll find out one way or the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭hunter164


    He's finished........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    tbh only drawing against some Portugese team Ive never even heard of is quite shocking :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    bit harsh unless you've seen the game. They might well have hammered the team just couldn't score (however unlikely it might be :D )

    Im sure trap just wanted to stretch them out. Sure remember staunton won his first game against a good team and look how that turned out :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    Ah lads come on, cool the beans. Theyre on holidays after all. Let The Trapster work his magic over the next few weeks whilst he gets to know the squad, especially the senior members. You can be sure he is going to work the socks off the back four and get them organised, the Serbia Game will maybe give an indication of how he's getting on, maybe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    Am the only one not surprised by Duff? When people were tipping him to be the next Giggs etc I said, in two seasons time he'll be finished. He's just not got what it takes to make the step up from good to really good IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    Ah come on now, when he first went to Chelsea he was brilliant, or the 2002 world cup where he was clearly our best player. You never see him just run at defenders anymore, I know youtube can make a great compilation out of Gary Breen but just look at some of the videos of him on there and you wonder what has happend. I think he has lost his confidence after a couple of terrible injuries, and hopefully he can get back to his best for this campaign. With a club manger like Keegan who you think would be urging him to get forward and commit defenders rather than Big Sam who was probably more interested in him chasing back, he might just find a bit of form.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    The Portuguese side deserved to win that game. Allowances can be made for the number of our best players missing but we really should be hammering a second division Portuguese side..........having said that its not overly important anyway. Serbia on Saturday will offer more insight. I hope this does not go embarrasingly wrong. We have no more excuses.

    As for Duff - I say again - Newcastle brought him down to their level. No good player that goes to Newcastle ever comes out as good as they were before. I dont know what it is with that club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    Were did yis watch the match lads? Like are yis over in Portugal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    The biggest shame about Duffs career is we wasted having him in his absolute prime by having McCarthy in charged who was somehow determined to make him a striker when he was one of the best left wingers in european football at the time and hjim and Keane blatantly could not and would not work together up front...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    allybhoy wrote: »
    Ah come on now, when he first went to Chelsea he was brilliant, or the 2002 world cup where he was clearly our best player. You never see him just run at defenders anymore, I know youtube can make a great compilation out of Gary Breen but just look at some of the videos of him on there and you wonder what has happend. I think he has lost his confidence after a couple of terrible injuries, and hopefully he can get back to his best for this campaign. With a club manger like Keegan who you think would be urging him to get forward and commit defenders rather than Big Sam who was probably more interested in him chasing back, he might just find a bit of form.

    Yeah I meant around that time when he went to Chelsea, I knew you wouldn't be able to keep up his form. I don't know what it was, to me he always seemed like he'd slow down an awful lot and continue to be average for the rest of his career.

    Obviously of late he's been unfortunate with injuries and yes, Sam wouldn't have been his favourite manager to play under, but as I said, I reckon he'll just be average again. He might have an other good season or two left in him. Let's see. Hope I'm wrong though, he's a very likable guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    He's grown to his physical peak.

    Hunger, aggression and pace have now declined, age and injury will take their toll, and like other footballers he'll increasing have to rely on guile, experience and brains........Oh dear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    Slash/ED wrote: »
    The biggest shame about Duffs career is we wasted having him in his absolute prime by having McCarthy in charged who was somehow determined to make him a striker when he was one of the best left wingers in european football at the time and hjim and Keane blatantly could not and would not work together up front...


    Well it wasnt like we had Rooney sitting on the bench, we had Quinn, Connolly and Morrisson. Hardly world stage strikers. Quinny was good for a late substitution and a route 1 situation but thats about it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Duff and Keane was even statistically speaking the worst strike force out of that whole combination, though. Their goal record together would shock people, I forget what it is, but something along the lines of 3 in 20 or something. Our best form was always with Duff in his natural positon, you should build your team around your best players in their most effective positions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    Also that Ireland team played very wide, with Duff having to drift out left and only really leaving Keane in the centre at times...just didn't work and the other lads weren't supportive enough.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Predhead wrote: »
    Am the only one not surprised by Duff? When people were tipping him to be the next Giggs etc I said, in two seasons time he'll be finished. He's just not got what it takes to make the step up from good to really good IMO.
    could you tell me who will win the league next year, be top goalscorer and who will win eurovision!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    Your only worried about his form now? He's been **** for the last 3 years.

    And I'm the only who thinks we don't have a hope in hell of making it to South Africa? Can anyone name 3 decent outfield players we have & who have performed well for us in the last few years?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    chdpoker wrote: »
    could you tell me who will win the league next year, be top goalscorer and who will win eurovision!!

    Man Utd, Torres and Zig & Zag :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    At least we got the away goal. I reckon we can take them at Croker in the return leg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭thusspakeblixa


    The Mail today reported he was a Spurs and Portsmouth target.
    I honestly don't know why he would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,914 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Duff is a write off. Has been for the past two seasons. Meh, part of being a great player is being able to withstand the physical and mental demands of keeping in shape and producing week in, week out for years. He has tailed off dramatically since he left Chelsea in terms of maintaining fitness and avoiding injury. And when he does play now he has clearly lost a lot in terms of pace and acceleration - and considering that he was a dynamic winger who's strength was beating the first man and getting behind defenses - it isn't hard to understand why he is a shadow of what he was circa 2002 - 2003.

    It is unfortunate and frustrating because when we got knocked out of the 2002 WC the idea that we could build around long productive international futures for Duff and Robbie Keane was the stuff that we were supposed to be optimistic about. It hasn't happened for Duff - but there are many players who regress as they move through their mid to late twenties due to injury; personal problems; the wrong transfer; lack of confidence etc, etc, etc. Harry Kewell anyone?

    Not that it is Duff's fault of course. Having physical problems and constantly picking up injuries is probably beyond his control.

    However, when Greece won the European Championships they did it without having a player to compare with the Damien Duff who terrorized Spain in the 2002 WC. The emergence of Stephen Hunt over the past two seasons makes up for the loss in many ways. Yeah, he's no Duff on a good day - but he can beat players and put in a decent ball - and he takes up good creative positions and can finish when he gets a chance. He makes for a positive replacement on the left hand side.

    Ultimately, our chances of qualifying for the next world cup will depend upon us maximizing the talents at our disposal to their fullest. Under Staunton we lacked the synergy that was a feature of successful Irish teams and we suffered laughable decisions in terms of player selection and tactical approaches. Duff or no Duff, I am confident that Trappatoni will have a good eye for properly assessing the fit and motivated players he has to select from - and get us out on the field being organized, disciplined and playing as a team. After that, the rest should fall into place. Scotland went close to qualifying for Euro 2008 without much more than we have in terms of playing personnel. We aren't as far off progressing as the Staunton era would suggest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    tdv wrote: »

    And I'm the only who thinks we don't have a hope in hell of making it to South Africa? Can anyone name 3 decent outfield players we have & who have performed well for us in the last few years?

    Hunty,Keane,Dunne,Carsley,Finnan.
    Here's an idea bud, why dont you try and get behind the team and support them rather than bashing them and hoping they do bad and dont qualify just to prove something you said on a fourm right.

    Sorry for having a go but I play ball with a few lads who more or less dont support their own country because they havnt been playing well for the last few years. Isnt that the point of being a true supporter? Support them through the bad times and the good. Because im sure if we do qualify (and IMO we have every chance) every fool that says "were brutal" will be waving the plastic hammers and singing Ole Ole.

    Great Post Loyd BTW


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    He's been nothing since he dislocated his shoulder when playing for Chelsea. Only gone down hill since then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    allybhoy wrote: »
    Hunty,Keane,Dunne,Carsley,Finnan.
    Here's an idea bud, why dont you try and get behind the team and support them rather than bashing them and hoping they do bad and dont qualify just to prove something you said on a fourm right.

    Sorry for having a go but I play ball with a few lads who more or less dont support their own country because they havnt been playing well for the last few years. Isnt that the point of being a true supporter? Support them through the bad times and the good. Because im sure if we do qualify (and IMO we have every chance) every fool that says "were brutal" will be waving the plastic hammers and singing Ole Ole.

    Great Post Loyd BTW

    I'm not trying to have a go I'm being realistic. Sure keane was in great form for Spurs through out the Euro 2008 campaing. But when was the last time he put in a real solid performance when it mattered for Ireland?

    Finnan can't get into the Liverpool team at the moment & announced his retirment from International football a while ago anyway.

    I think Steven Ireland is our best player & he might not even play for us. Which would be a real shame if he didnt because he could be a legend for us. But the state the FAI has us in at the moment I could understand him not wanting to play.

    And as for Trapattoni there's only one reason he's here & thats money. No self-respecting manager would take this job unless he was being paid some ridiculous amount of money.

    The whole thing is just a freak show.

    Sorry if I bummed anyone out. But we deserve better than what were getting.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    tdv wrote: »
    The whole thing is just a freak show.

    But we deserve better than what were getting.

    Explain?!


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