Leeds fail!

yom 1 · 02-05-2008 12:25AM

quarryman wrote: »

good man yom.

we'll see you in the Champions league in 2011

Look forward to it:pac:

patmac · 02-05-2008 11:05AM

event wrote: »

lads, if ye are gonna take delight in another teams misfortune, as least have the brains to know what happened

Ok I admit I have no great love for Leeds (something to do with nearly being killed at a Cup Quarter-Final in 1987) and I haven't gone into the legal side of things as Leeds obviously have done, but didn't Ken Bates put Leeds into administration when Leeds were already relegated in order to avoid a points deduction the following season or am I missing something? And did the following not happen:
The decision by the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators means Leeds will not win automatic promotion from League One, though they are in the play-offs.

An independent three-man arbitration reached its verdict behind closed doors in London, ruling the League had not acted unfairly when docking the points.

The penalty was a punishment for breaking competition insolvency rules.

Most neutral supporters would think this is fair.

NotWormBoy · 02-05-2008 11:19AM

Most neutral supporters I've spoken to (and I'm a neutral) don't think its fair, to be honest. In fact the only neutral supporters I've spoken who think Leeds have been treated fairly are on Boards. I'm not an expert on this issue, however.

From what I've read, Leeds were punished for what Bates did, even though there wasn't an actual rule against it, until after Leeds had done it. You can't punish people for a rule that doens't exist. Of course, this is assuming what I've read is true.

Does anyone have a full and (more or less) fair account of the whole saga?

shanel23 · 02-05-2008 11:42AM

Lets just face it - they all hate us and right now I could'nt give a toss what anybody says about it -

we got screwed like no other club would !

"Never Stop Fighting" is more apt now than it ever was !

Death or Glory · 02-05-2008 11:59AM

Course the f*cking league acted unfairly, they had a p*xy kangaroo court with 72 FL chairman with vested interests who of course were gonna vote to ratify the 15 points

Jokeshop

Q_Ball · 02-05-2008 03:02PM

patmac wrote: »

I haven't gone into the legal side of things

Maybe you should before you form an opinion on the situation...

patmac wrote: »

didn't Ken Bates put Leeds into administration when Leeds were already relegated in order to avoid a points deduction the following season or am I missing something?

Yes he did. And we were deducted 10 points for it. No one is arguing that. Boston united did it half way through their last match.

We argued that the other 15 points we were deducted for breaking a non existent rule were unjust and unfair. This had nothing to do with going into administration, rather coming out of it. Big distinction there.

leninbenjamin · 02-05-2008 04:27PM

Q_Ball wrote: »

Yes he did. And we were deducted 10 points for it. No one is arguing that. Boston united did it half way through their last match.

We argued that the other 15 points we were deducted for breaking a non existent rule were unjust and unfair. This had nothing to do with going into administration, rather coming out of it. Big distinction there.

and d'ya know what's even more hilarious? Leeds end up with a bigger points deduction than Milan did for the match fixing...

event · 03-05-2008 10:46AM

patmac wrote: »

Ok I admit I have no great love for Leeds (something to do with nearly being killed at a Cup Quarter-Final in 1987) and I haven't gone into the legal side of things as Leeds obviously have done, but didn't Ken Bates put Leeds into administration when Leeds were already relegated in order to avoid a points deduction the following season or am I missing something? And did the following not happen:
The decision by the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators means Leeds will not win automatic promotion from League One, though they are in the play-offs.

An independent three-man arbitration reached its verdict behind closed doors in London, ruling the League had not acted unfairly when docking the points.

The penalty was a punishment for breaking competition insolvency rules.

Most neutral supporters would think this is fair.

its not about those points though, no one is debating that (although shaun harvey has said tis false, there is no way he would put a club into administration on purpose)

other clubs did that before us, it wasnt illegal

but it wasnt about that, the 15 points are for something completely different, and if you had checked it out, you'd see that

SCULLY · 03-05-2008 04:32PM

I thought that they were being a bit smart going into admin after their relegation was assured thus making the 10 point deduction meaningless. That nonwithstanding I'm uneasy with any law that is applied retrospectivly. Don't know the ins and outs of the subsequent 15 point penalty (neither do most of the posters though it seems) but it does seem harsh. And this is from a Chelsea fan.

Zaph · 03-05-2008 04:39PM

SCULLY wrote: »

I thought that they were being a bit smart going into admin after their relegation was assured thus making the 10 point deduction meaningless.

Boston did the same thing and I've never seen anyone (on Boards or elsewhere) giving out about them doing it. It was a loophole that has since been closed, but at the time it was perfectly legal for clubs to exploit it the way Leeds and Boston did. I can't imagine that any other clubs in the same position wouldn't have done the same.

Leeds fail!

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