Moscow as a CL Final Venue

dc69 · 30-04-2008 12:00PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Well if that looks 200 years old....

http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/photo/competitions/ucl/464253_mediumsquare.jpg

the vidoes/picures I saw on ssn tell a different story,looks a kip.

that pic does look good though.

therecklessone · 30-04-2008 12:02PM

Killme00 wrote: »

Im not, i clearly said that BOTH Utd and Liverpool have had a torrid past in relation to violence.

You also said:

Liverpool especially

I'm telling you that based on my friend's personal experience, the opposite is the case, i.e. the especially should apply to United.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-04-2008 12:09PM

therecklessone wrote: »

Its got nothing to do with the Brits..

You are the one saying the likelyhood of them being in the final should be factored in to the choice of venue....

therecklessone wrote: »

I'm saying common sense suggests that the final should be held somewhere that is relatively easy to travel to and also has as few access restrictions as possible..

Common sense says Moscow is as easy to get to as most of the places you listed, moreso than Glasgow, and the visa requirements have been waived, so whats the problem?

therecklessone wrote: »

I couldn't care who is in the final, you obviously do.

Don't care one iota. The point is the whinging on here as soon as people realise what has been common knowledge for 3 years.

therecklessone · 30-04-2008 12:12PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You are the one saying the likelyhood of them being in the final should be factored in to the choice of venue....

I said the likelihood of a finalist, I didn't specify nationality.

Its not my fault that English sides have reached the final, blame the Spanish and Italians who couldn't beat them.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-04-2008 12:15PM

therecklessone wrote: »

I said the likelihood of a finalist, I didn't specify nationality.

Its not my fault that English sides have reached the final, blame the Spanish and Italians who couldn't beat them.

So what are you actually arguing? That the final should be in Paris every year because its the central point between Engerland, Spain and Italy?

therecklessone · 30-04-2008 12:16PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Common sense says Moscow is as easy to get to as most of the places you listed, moreso than Glasgow, and the visa requirements have been waived, so whats the problem?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7373897.stm

"We are finalising an express way to get visas," Uefa spokesman William Gaillard told BBC Sport.

"We've had extreme goodwill from the Russian government to make it easy for fans. It will be a major breakthrough."

Only now they're dealing with it, surely they've known for three years this would be a possibility?

There are unconfirmed reports that supporters may not need a visa if they possess a valid match ticket and passport.

In a statement, the Russian Embassy has acknowledged the "extremely tight" timeframe but promised additional staff to cope with the heavy demand and assured fans their visas will be duly processed.

Already accomodation in the Russian capital is scarce, if not completely booked up, while tickets for flights to Moscow are virtually full - or fetching massively inflated sums of money.

On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office Embassy said: "We would encourage supporters not to travel if they do not have a ticket or accommodation beforehand."

therecklessone · 30-04-2008 12:26PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

So what are you actually arguing? That the final should be in Paris every year because its the central point between Engerland, Spain and Italy?

It's spelt E N G L A N D.

Though you might have difficulty seeing the letters on your keyboard with that massive chip on your shoulder obscuring your view.

I'm arguing that if the Russians (or anyone else) are to be awarded major finals it should be on the understanding that they will guarantee access to their country for any ticket holder. And that should have been guaranteed when they submitted their bid, not in the days before the final itself.

Isn't that a simple enough request?

4-age · 30-04-2008 12:33PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Originally Posted by DaveMcG View Post
It seems ridiculous to me... Surely it should be as close to the centre of Europe as possible, to make it easiest for fans and teams. It's hard to see how they could have made it more inconvenient.

I do think it's silly having it in Moscow but evry other European city should be fair game.

So it should only ever be held in Germany, Switzerland or Austria?

Agree 100%
It's a stupid decision to hold a European competition outside of Europe.

moscow is in europe and the center of europe is not Germany or Austria:)

dc69 · 30-04-2008 12:35PM

therecklessone wrote: »

I'm arguing that if the Russians (or anyone else) are to be awarded major finals it should be on the understanding that they will guarantee access to their country for any ticket holder. And that should have been guaranteed when they submitted their bid, not in the days before the final itself.

Isn't that a simple enough request?

good point,I agree.

The visa thing is a load of crap,although I do think they should refuse supporters who dont have tickets.

mike65 · 30-04-2008 12:50PM

I think holding the CL final in Paris every year would actually make very good sense, any likely winner is going to come from 2 of 6/7 nations all of which are in WESTERN europe.

England/Italy/Spain/Germany/Portugal/Netherlands/France

Shuffling it around badly run eastern hell-holes which cost a fortune and take 3 days to get to and from makes no sense to anyone except UEFA.

Mike.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-04-2008 12:57PM

therecklessone wrote: »

It's spelt E N G L A N D.

Though you might have difficulty seeing the letters on your keyboard with that massive chip on your shoulder obscuring your view.

Zzzzzz

therecklessone wrote: »

I'm arguing that if the Russians (or anyone else) are to be awarded major finals it should be on the understanding that they will guarantee access to their country for any ticket holder. And that should have been guaranteed when they submitted their bid, not in the days before the final itself.

Isn't that a simple enough request?

Simple is a very good word for it. All countries in UEFA have visa requirements for other UEFA states. That is life. Simple is the belief that any criminal, terrorist, asylum seeker etc that happens to get their hands on a ticket should be granted entry to any country on that basis alright.

Have you ever heard of any genuine fan not get entry?

growler · 30-04-2008 01:03PM

It is a farce to be holding it in a city that certainly isn't able to cater for such an influx of football fans, apparently Moscow has 30000 hotel beds, so someone in UEFA seems to have trouble counting,..... there are no flights available into there now for under a grand, but then why should or would they give a damn about the cost, hassel and travel nightmare a final in Moscow will create for real football fans? They'll have their 5 star hotels sorted and 1st class flights are ready to go, nice meal beforehand a bit of polite applause at the end.

Information from Chelsea suggests that the official club travel package (in and out in 12 hours + 10 hours flying time) will probably cost £600 ish + tickets (£100 +) ,thats in the same month that season tickets are due for renewal ! that means a lot of the lads i know at the bridge are going to have to make a choice between live football next season and a one off final + travel hell. some choice, if we do get through tonite I can't afford to go to Moscow and keep my season ticket, and i've been all over europe, even to istanbul, with chelsea for euro games, but i won't be going :-(
and it really pisses me off having to make that decision , should it come to that :-)

I know that when we played CSKA over there a while back there were numerous horror stories of bent cops, bribes, no proper policing, no police able to actually read what was on teh tickets etc. and plenty of home grown trouble eager to have a go at the chelsea support.

I don't expect a bloodbath at all , too many eyes on Moscow for that. I hope there are plenty of empty seats there too embarass the idiots in UEFA who thought they had football supporters best interests in mind when giving this competition to a city 1500 miles from a country most likely to produce at least one finalist. I hope Platini has a nice time. :mad:

Dun laoire · 30-04-2008 01:08PM

Maybe eufa could make a decision after the 1/4 finals. Surely that would give enough time to find a destination suitable for the 4 remaining teams

delija_sever029 · 30-04-2008 01:11PM

I think thats too late coz probably host city wouldnt have time to prepare

BaZmO* · 30-04-2008 01:23PM

4-age wrote: »

moscow is in europe and the center of europe is not Germany or Austria:)

Huh? No it's not. Have a look again.

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/countries_europe_map.jpg

delija_sever029 · 30-04-2008 01:36PM

Moscow is in Europe,Europe is defined to be everything till Ural mountain,thats border of european and asian part of Russia

growler · 30-04-2008 01:38PM

suppose it could have been worse, Tel Aviv or somewhere, since they are daft enough to include Israel in a european competition.

therecklessone · 30-04-2008 01:42PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Zzzzzz

I can't be bothered interacting with you when that's your input.

Good day.

growler wrote:

Information from Chelsea suggests that the official club travel package (in and out in 12 hours + 10 hours flying time) will probably cost £600 ish + tickets (£100 +) ,thats in the same month that season tickets are due for renewal ! that means a lot of the lads i know at the bridge are going to have to make a choice between live football next season and a one off final + travel hell. some choice, if we do get through tonite I can't afford to go to Moscow and keep my season ticket, and i've been all over europe, even to istanbul, with chelsea for euro games, but i won't be going :-(
and it really pisses me off having to make that decision , should it come to that :-)

I feel for you, but its been a long time since UEFA cared a jot about ordinary fans. Sad but true.

marco_polo · 30-04-2008 01:42PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Huh? No it's not. Have a look again.

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/countries_europe_map.jpg

Kidding I hope?

Pepe LeFrits · 30-04-2008 02:03PM

Europe isn't a place, it's a state of mind!

BaZmO* · 30-04-2008 02:05PM

marco_polo wrote: »

Kidding I hope?

Of coures I know Russia is in Europe. But Moscow is not in the centre of Europe.

Charlie · 30-04-2008 02:07PM

So let me get this right; UEFA are holding the final in a city, with notorious policing and hooligan problems, at a time in the day which gives fans a marathon drinking session, and will then release said fans onto the streets of Moscow at about 1 am-ish?

What a bunch of fcuk-wits. The above alone should be reason enough to nix such a proposal, let alone factoring in; the travelling time, visa issues, and the extortionate prices for flights.

This is just another example at how the footballing authorities seem to, with great ease, marginalise actual Football supporters, all because it makes 'corporate sense'.

I just cant wait to see what William 'i've got an answer for everything' Gaillard will come up with when this big mess implodes.

Sizzler · 30-04-2008 02:26PM

Havent been but I've heard its a right skip from two lads that have travelled there with their national teams in recent years (Ireland & Wales).

In both cases they got a leathering from the locals IN FRONT of the federalés who merely looked on :rolleyes:

If you offered me a trip with transfers to and from the stadium I'd have to think long and hard about it. Shouldnt have to do that with such a prestigous event. UEFA obviously did fcuk all research on the venue and it was just a case of "its their turn".

Nunu · 30-04-2008 02:36PM

dc69 wrote: »

the vidoes/picures I saw on ssn tell a different story,looks a kip.

that pic does look good though.

It's definitely not a kip. Apart from the crappy running track(finals should never be held in stadiums with tracks:mad:), it actually looks top notch.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08YLa5odlafqD/610x.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/moscow_luzniki1.jpg

marco_polo · 30-04-2008 02:40PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Of coures I know Russia is in Europe. But Moscow is not in the centre of Europe.

I misinterpreted whan you meant, but if you look at the previous map it had the center of Europe marked as in the the Ukraine, which is why I thought you were disowning Moscow as a part of Europe

.

Back on topic picking a country with such strict visa requirements is not UEFAs greatest decision IMHO.

delija_sever029 · 30-04-2008 02:44PM

I dont get why Luzniki is bad?Its quite good looking and Olimpico is similar and it looks crapy comparing to Luzniki

4-age · 30-04-2008 02:44PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Huh? No it's not. Have a look again.

http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/countries_europe_map.jpg

Thats the European union sunshine :rolleyes: , Russia is in the contanent of Europe

"Europe isn't a place, it's a state of mind!" lol awsome

I agree moscow isnt the greatest choice btw

justfortherecor · 30-04-2008 02:49PM

+1 for holding it in Paris every year.

Fantastic stadium, beautiful city that is well used to dealing with crowds and offers plentiful accommodation. Easiest destination for fans from countries with teams most likely to progress to final.

Obviously it'll never happen, but it would be nice.

Gavin "shels" · 30-04-2008 03:22PM

Every country which has clubs playing in the Champions League should be considered.

You's talk of hooligans and notorious police, so that rules out all of Eastern Europe and parts of Scandinavia, sure we'll add the trigger happy police of Italy and France aswell.:mad:

I'm sure the oul Chelsea Headhunters want to win tonight so they can meet up with their fellow right-winged skinheads in Moscow.

An Citeog · 30-04-2008 03:23PM

Sizzler wrote: »

In both cases they got a leathering from the locals IN FRONT of the federalés who merely looked on :rolleyes:

Bleedin' Mexicans!:D

Moscow as a CL Final Venue

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