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Parents Found Dead In Fire 'Were Shot'

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  • #32
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    rb_ie wrote: »
    No, we don't have to be nice about everything but there's a concept you might know of as "too soon", then again, maybe you don't know about it seeing as you'll happily make fun of a family who've just been wiped out.

    There's nothing remotely funny about such a horrific act of violence.

    Did you even bother reading my post in full?

    Mine was meant as sarcasm against the people who claim travellers are behind everything. Just go back up a few spaces and read it please.


    Ah yeah too soon. So now there's rules to what can be deemed good and acceptable humour. Let's all go and drink cranberry juice (NO! LOOKS LIKE BLOOD).... milk....soy milk so no vegans are offended.... and then we can sit around on chairs that are made so as not to insult anyone and then we can bend over backwards to tell jokes which offend noone.

    Ah yeah. Sounds like quite a world.

    Sherifu wrote: »
    I can't imagine who would be making jokes about that poor Swiss girl tbh.

    Who decides what's too soon anyway.

    That post was made a few months after it happened, which must be what RB_ie would deem acceptable, he's the authority here. Although maybe it's because noone could possibly be offended by Manuelo Riedo as her family lives in Switzerland.


  • #33
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    rb_ie wrote: »
    Severe depression, insanity etc etc.


    Just because he'd done well for himself doesn't necessarily mean he's happy.

    There was also if i remember similar cases in wales last year and more recently in Northern ireland .Also the guy last week in england who killed his young son and then hung himself when told he would be denied future access to seeing him .A selfish bastard imo


  • #34
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Ok cool, please do post anything bad that happens your family (mother/father dying, mother getting sexually assaulted etc etc) the day it happens so we can all sit back and laugh about it on here. That'd be great. Kthnx.


  • #35
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    rb_ie wrote: »
    Ok cool, please do post anything bad that happens your family (mother/father dying, mother getting sexually assaulted etc etc) the day it happens so we can all sit back and laugh about it on here. That'd be great. Kthnx.

    I'd be more than happy to post about some of my family's problems.

    Although it'd be extremely hard to do without coming across as attention seeking.

    A member of my family who I loved very dearly died recently. After finding out,, about 20 minutes later I made a joke about it to some friends of mine.
    Believe it or not, everything is a target of humour.
    and believe it or not, everyone will be offended by some form of humour.

    You hypocrite.
    :)


  • #36
    Sherifu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    kickoutthejams wrote: »
    That post was made a few months after it happened, which must be what RB_ie would deem acceptable, he's the authority here. Although maybe it's because noone could possibly be offended by Manuelo Riedo as her family lives in Switzerland.
    If you read down further on that thread you'll find people still thought it was too soon, so...


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  • #37
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    The kids would have died from smoke inhalation and died and the tox screens are back yet so the kids could have been 'put to sleep' with a cough bottle.

    This is starting to become more and more common people nto coping and with out a suport network so the twisted thinking is to take those they care about with them rahter then leave them behind to suffer.


  • #38
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    latchyco wrote: »
    There was also if i remember similar cases in wales last year and more recently in Northern ireland .Also the guy last week in england who killed his young son and then hung himself when told he would be denied future access to seeing him .A selfish bastard imo
    Not to forget that wrestler who wiped out his own family too.

    It's a sick crime, but the people who do it obviously aren't mentally stable. As Wibbs pointed out, though it sounds like it could have been a murder/suicide at the moment, there's an awful lot that just doesn't fit together properly. It'll be an interesting one to follow anyway.


  • #39
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Sherifu wrote: »
    If you read down further on that thread you'll find people still thought it was too soon, so...

    ah yeah, we just need to dictate to ourselves whatever follows rb_ie's sense of what constitutes good taste.

    Then everything will be fine.


  • #40
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    You should take it to feedback KOTJ, tbh.


  • #41
    Agamemnon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    mdebets wrote: »
    And countries, which do this (e.g. US), have a very low crime rate.

    oh wait, they actually don't.
    I think you'll find there's a very low crime rate among those who are in prison for life.


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  • #42
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    rb_ie wrote: »
    You should take it to feedback KOTJ, tbh.

    Take what to feedback?

    The fact you get off pontificate while pulling the same bad taste humour stuff?


    Doesn't it get lonely up there on your high horse?


  • #43
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    rb_ie wrote: »
    Not to forget that wrestler who wiped out his own family too.

    I think his choice of drug/steroid use would have altered his mental state .
    It's a sick crime, but the people who do it obviously aren't mentally stable. As Wibbs pointed out, though it sounds like it could have been a murder/suicide at the moment, there's an awful lot that just doesn't fit together properly. It'll be an interesting one to follow anyway.

    Yeah, i am sure a range of issues will surfice sooner or later


  • #44
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    kickoutthejams wrote: »
    Doesn't it get lonely up there on your high horse?

    Why would it when I've got yore ma sitting here beside me?


  • #45
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    rb_ie wrote: »
    Why would it when I've got yore ma sitting here beside me?

    :D

    Now THAT is too far.


  • #46
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    latchyco wrote: »
    If it was a double suicide/murder tragedy ,you have to ask yourself what posesses and drives a sucsessful buisnessman to kill his lovey wife and children , then himself .

    They say that Richard Corey owns one half of this whole town...


  • #47
    vote4pedro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Agamemnon wrote: »
    I think you'll find there's a very low crime rate among those who are in prison for life.



    Haha, classic. So you're advocating life imprisonment for most crimes? Or just stronger sentences? Despite the fact that this would probably have an adverse effect on recidivism rates in Ireland.
    Fact of the matter is, and numerous other European countries have shown, that if you actually want to reduce the crime level you should be looking at imprisoning less people, for shorter amounts of time.
    But it's far easier for average moron to say "Its about time judges started punching SCUM prisoners in the face, castrate them, then waterboard the PARENTS who are really to blame!!!!1! Send them all to Iraq!"

    I have particularly enjoyed the people in this thread who are blaming supposed lenient sentences from the courts for this particular tragic case. I'm sure a parent who plans on killing their two children and spouse are really concerned with how many years they may be given by the Central Criminal Court, and perhaps considering recent precedent set by the court, before turning the gun on themselves. :rolleyes:
    The fact that this has been turned in to another rabid get tough on crime drivelfest rather than a discussion on mental health in this country is particularly sad.


  • #48
    Elessar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    This story is on the front of the Daily Mail.

    I love how they automatically assume the father is the murderer.


  • #49
    Muff_Daddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭Muff_Daddy


    I was offended by Kickoutthejams joke, not because of the content, but because of how unfunny it was
    latchyco wrote:
    I think his choice of drug/steroid use would have altered his mental state

    'Roid Rage', as you suspect he was suffering from, has never been proved to last for more than 5 minutes, that tragedy went on over the entire course of a weekend. Something snapped in Benoits head, and what that was, only he knows.

    This case in Wexford does looks suspicously like a murder/suicide, so talk of death penalty/stiffer sentences in this thread are pretty much moot.


  • #50
    Agamemnon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    Haha, classic. So you're advocating life imprisonment for most crimes? Or just stronger sentences? Despite the fact that this would probably have an adverse effect on recidivism rates in Ireland.
    Fact of the matter is, and numerous other European countries have shown, that if you actually want to reduce the crime level you should be looking at imprisoning less people, for shorter amounts of time.
    But it's far easier for average moron to say "Its about time judges started punching SCUM prisoners in the face, castrate them, then waterboard the PARENTS who are really to blame!!!!1! Send them all to Iraq!"
    Criminals who repeatedly commit serious crimes should be locked up for life as they are beyond reform. The definition of "serious crimes" should include assault causing serious injury, rape, paedophilia and murder (including gangland bosses ordering murder). Some of the criminals in this country are beyond reform and they deserve to lose their freedom for good and the rest of us deserve to be protected from them. Naive, soft-headed notions about appealling to their better natures don't apply in such cases.

    As long as violent, unrepentant criminals are in prison, they cannot menace society. This was the point of my original post, and it sailed in a graceful arc over your head.


  • #51
    ModeSkeletor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭ModeSkeletor


    What the hell is all this talk about longer sentences/tougher laws/etc doing in this thread?? Diarmud Flood wasn't a violent criminal, he wasn't even a criminal for gods sake! He was a headcase who spontaneously flipped and slaughtered his family.. How would longer sentences have prevented this????? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    It looks like it was defo a murder-suicide here is a quote from the indo:
    ANOTHER Irish community was last night struggling to come to terms with the latest multiple murder-suicide tragedy

    surely they can't print stuff like that without there being some truth to it?


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  • #52
    Sherifu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    ModeSkeletor wrote: »
    surely they can't print stuff like that without there being some truth to it?
    Didn't stop them with the Liam Lawlor story. /shrugs


  • #53
    ModeSkeletor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭ModeSkeletor


    Suppose, dead people can't sue for libel. Bad form on the indo if these allegations turn out to be untrue.


  • #54
    vote4pedro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Agamemnon wrote: »
    Criminals who repeatedly commit serious crimes should be locked up for life as they are beyond reform. The definition of "serious crimes" should include assault causing serious injury, rape, paedophilia and murder (including gangland bosses ordering murder). Some of the criminals in this country are beyond reform and they deserve to lose their freedom for good and the rest of us deserve to be protected from them. Naive, soft-headed notions about appealling to their better natures don't apply in such cases.

    As long as violent, unrepentant criminals are in prison, they cannot menace society. This was the point of my original post, and it sailed in a graceful arc over your head.

    Read your initial post again, nothing sailed gracefully over my head.
    Firstly you're wrong about them being beyond reform, some are reformable. Not many perhaps, but some.
    By adopting such a fire and brimstone approach, and pandering to the LOCK UP THE PAEDIOTRICIANS FOR LIFE THERE RUNNING AMUCK IN IRELAND brigade
    we're just going to exacerbate any crime problem in Ireland.

    My beliefs certaintly aren't naive, it's an area I've studied extensively. You're the naive one if you actually think a throw away the key and forget about them approach is the answer. Unforunately having violent, unrepentant criminals in prison does not mean they can't menace society. That's just a ridiculous statement to make.


  • #55
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Muff_Daddy wrote: »
    I was offended by Kickoutthejams joke, not because of the content, but because of how unfunny it was

    As I have explained a few times on here,
    it wasn't a joke.


  • #56
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Is it possible it was suicide to avoid horrible death by burning?

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #57
    ModeSkeletor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭ModeSkeletor


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Is it possible it was suicide to avoid horrible death by burning?

    I doubt it - for a start the majority of people who die in house fires die from smoke inhalation. It is unlikely he just had the gun lying around also (law requires them to be locked in safes when not in use) Secondly the kids weren't shot, so if your suggestion was true he's a selfish bastard. Very unlikely though in my opinoo.n


  • #58
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    Haha, "Its about time judges started punching SCUM prisoners in the face, castrate them, then waterboard the PARENTS who are really to blame!!!!1! Send them all to Iraq!"
    .

    I agree with you Sir,
    Drag them into the street and shoot them in the head. Bastords.


  • #59
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    board om wrote: »
    i would be more inclined to think it was a murder/suicide so they probably wont be looking for anyone else for it. obviously one of the parents killed the rest of the family and then themselves. thats what all the evidence points towards anyway.

    probably makes it all the more tragic. who could do that to their own family?

    I honestly think that based on the evidence, it points to murder/sucide. Its likely that the fire may have been caused accidentaly but the murder/sucide seems like the case.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    something doesnt add up though. Hypothetical stuff here, father/mother goes batshít we'll say, shoots the spouse, sets fire to the house, then shoots themselves, fire spreads and the kids follow their parents. That just sounds weird. Is it just me? You would think the kids would have gone the same way as the spouse.

    Remember the last incident in Wexford when this happened, the kids were not shot (IIRC?).


  • #60
    MizzLolly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭MizzLolly


    This story is so sad :( What disturbed me the most was that the six year old boy was found dead in the hall. He obviously hadn't been given anything to put him to sleep. God bless them all :(


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  • #61
    Trojan911
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Trojan911


    MizzLolly wrote: »
    This story is so sad :( What disturbed me the most was that the six year old boy was found dead in the hall. He obviously hadn't been given anything to put him to sleep. God bless them all :(

    Very tragic all round....


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