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Govt. closing "Early Houses"

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  • #92
    latenia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    Maximilian wrote: »
    Simple, they dress up as women. I'd say about 95% of everyone thinks they are weirdos.

    He said transsexuals not transvestites. Funnily enough out of the 4 or 5 times I've been to early houses, one time I was dressed as a chick. (It was in the Galway Hooker in Heuston Station the morning after Hallowe'en.)


  • #93
    AARRRGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    I wasn't trying to insult transsexuals, I was saying if you go to an early house you will see it's mostly druggies, transsexuals and alcos. These are not "regular" folk who just finished work. They're drunk/drugged up.

    Honestly if you don't believe me go to an early house yourself tomorrow morning and see for yourself. Early houses are not "innocent" pubs where "innocent" people drink. They exist for people who want to continue binging into the following day.


  • #94
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Lots of reasons: if it leads to mass public disorder, for a start (not saying it does, but if it did, the govt is obliged to step in). If it infringes on someone else's liberties, the law should step in. If it becomes a massive burden on public services (police, health, etc.) then the govt should step in.
    that's more of a reason why something generally should be banned. alcohol doesn't do any of those things. occasionally some stupid people do stupid things after drinking but that doesn't mean alcohol should be banned. really it means stupid people should be banned.

    the link between alcohol and anti social behaviour isn't like the link between smoking and cancer, your level of intelligence doesn't affect your chances of getting cancer from smoking. the thing is:

    alcohol+normal person=a good time

    alcohol + stupid person= mayhem

    of course:
    car + stupid person= mayhem
    gun + stupid person= mayhem
    stapler + stupid person= mayhem
    child + stupid person= mayhem
    can opener + stupid person= mayhem
    etc etc

    the common element here is not alcohol, it's stupid people doing stupid things. you can't ban everything that it's possible for stupid people to misuse because we'd effectively have to go back to living in caves

    of course you'll never see someone calling for everything to be banned. you pretty much only ever see people calling for something to be banned etc when they don't use said item themselves anyway and the ban won't affect them at all


  • #95
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    that's more of a reason why something generally should be banned. alcohol doesn't do any of those things. occasionally some stupid people do stupid things after drinking but that doesn't mean alcohol should be banned. really it means stupid people should be banned.

    the link between alcohol and anti social behaviour isn't like the link between smoking and cancer, your level of intelligence doesn't affect your chances of getting cancer from smoking. the thing is:

    alcohol+normal person=a good time

    alcohol + stupid person= mayhem

    of course:
    car + stupid person= mayhem
    gun + stupid person= mayhem
    stapler + stupid person= mayhem
    child + stupid person= mayhem
    can opener + stupid person= mayhem
    etc etc

    the common element here is not alcohol, it's stupid people doing stupid things. you can't ban everything that it's possible for stupid people to misuse because we'd effectively have to go back to living in caves

    of course you'll never see someone calling for everything to be banned. you pretty much only ever see people calling for something to be banned etc when they don't use said item themselves anyway and the ban won't affect them at all

    Oh, of course I was generalising: but only in order to answer your original question: when would restrictions (on anything) be acceptable? And people being stupid when drunk (IF they were) was not the only reason I gave.

    The other probelm there is that we're assuming that people in this city/country are intelligent and responsible. The problem is, however, I'm not so sure....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #96
    nobodythere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭nobodythere


    dublindude wrote: »
    That sounds a bit too conspiracy theory for me...

    It's really not... Alcohol (and tobacco) are dubbed 'the old reliables' in economics because they can be upped in the budget to generate more revenue for the government.

    The government is divided in its interests, on one hand the revenue they generate from it is massive, on another it's the cause of so many societal ills and is a drug that has done more damage in this country than anything else. The way the government is organised favours short term economic gain over long term consequences, for example the TDs needs to get re-elected to keep their jobs, so whatever generates profit is what they will go with.

    Put 10 average people in a room and ask them to come up with new measures to combat the alcohol problem, they would come up with staggered closing times and things like that, not closing offies early (it doesn't make and sense people!!!). They wouldn't come up with things designed to take offies and supermarkets out of the game and drive people to the pubs.

    Organisations like VFI have a lot of influence, a significant number of councillors at the local level are publicans (not sure about the dail) and even by the economic importance of pubs the VFI surely have an influence on politics...


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