Irish Poker, where do we stand?

nicnicnic · 06-04-2008 11:50PM

dagunman wrote: »

I find it ironic in away that I am posting on baords about this as I have long been of the opinion that boards is one of the elements which is holding back the development of a lot of players.
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Flipper wrote: »

Many of the posters on Boards are whiners, complainers and gossipers and these are the very people that have in their own very special way, hampered the growth of poker in Ireland.

I think you have both hit the nail on the head here, boards is the reason irish players are sh!te; very insightful and logical. dam you boards if i hadn't started reading this forum i could of been a contender

tacker · 06-04-2008 11:51PM

Would the cost of living in Ireland have anything to do with not enough Irish players playing 5/10+.I have a roll to play 5/10 but only take shots at the good tables due to morgage and family.Im not prepared to have a 10+ buyin drop at 5/10 due to the above.Maybe im not the only one

cardshark202 · 07-04-2008 12:11AM

Who gives two shíts if there aren't a load of young Irish players playing the 10k donkaments?
Sure if some site wanted to sponsor me into some big tourneys I would accept, but it would first mean playing loads of them or running like god in one to get noticed. I'm not arsed with this. I would rather just concentrate on improving my game and moving up levels. That said, I'll be in vegas again this year and I'll probably play some donkaments and maybe the main event if I win a ticket

Also Ollie, regarding your point about young Irish players not taking things seriously enough over in vegas, I think that could apply to every young poker player, not just Irish ones.
Also its not just us Irish that suck at poker, most people do, as do a lot of these sponsored donks.

Goodluck2me · 07-04-2008 12:12AM

tacker wrote: »

Would the cost of living in Ireland have anything to do with not enough Irish players playing 5/10+.I have a roll to play 5/10 but only take shots at the good tables due to morgage and family.Im not prepared to have a 10+ buyin drop at 5/10 due to the above.Maybe im not the only one

this would be one of the pro`s not cons, you are earning more than your european counterparts too, to a/c for the expensive cost of living. Its better than having Thailands cost of living and earning €5K a year.

nicnicnic · 07-04-2008 12:26AM

goodluck2me wrote: »

this would be one of the pro`s not cons, you are earning more than your european counterparts too, to a/c for the expensive cost of living. Its better than having Thailands cost of living and earning €5K a year.

go to bed Joe your talking gibberish

opr · 07-04-2008 12:30AM

goodluck2me wrote: »

this would be one of the pro`s not cons, you are earning more than your european counterparts too, to a/c for the expensive cost of living. Its better than having Thailands cost of living and earning €5K a year.

I think he is making the point that all players who play online poker are on a level playing field in terms of opportunities to earn the same amount of money. The problem is that the relative value of this money is different in Ireland due to the high cost of living.

For example if he was to move to Thailand he would be earning the same amount of money but his cost of living would be hugely less. This in turn would mean he could afford to add more money to this roll quicker allowing him more shots to try and move up quicker.

Opr

tacker · 07-04-2008 12:41AM

What OPR said

bops · 07-04-2008 12:55AM

corkie123 wrote: »

yes but u need to be bald as well

wat? (see i'm young and hip etc)

have you ever seen a bald donkey??

Goodluck2me · 07-04-2008 12:58AM

opr wrote: »

I think he is making the point that all players who play online poker are on a level playing field in terms of opportunities to earn the same amount of money. The problem is that the relative value of this money is different in Ireland due to the high cost of living.

For example if he was to move to Thailand he would be earning the same amount of money but his cost of living would be hugely less. This in turn would mean he could afford to add more money to this roll quicker allowing him more shots to try and move up quicker.

Opr

yes but the flip-side is that you are earning less, of course

I see nicky made the point to me, that once you have started playing at those levels you are better off in a lost cost society, as relative to the cost of living you are making much more. I see your point now.

I was pertaining to starting out, I woulndt want to be earning Thai bhat for example and trying to get into poker.

phantom_lord · 07-04-2008 01:08AM

goodluck2me wrote: »

yes but the flip-side is that you are earning less, of course

I think he was talking in the context of a full time poker player.

ianmc38 · 07-04-2008 04:19AM

wtf is this about donkaments? Judging levels of success by your appearance/performance in EPTs and the likes is obviously stupid. I would have ~0 interest in going to playing in most of those tournaments.

At the end of the day, the gauge of your success in poker should be a combination of the amount of money you win, your quality of life and your overall happiness in what you do.

I know several players including myself who play 5/10 and above very intermittently in spite of having an adequate bankroll to do so. I'm probably a very small winner in a game with 5 regulars at the tables when I'm playing well. When I'm playing badly, I'm going to be a small to medium loser in the games.

However, at 2/4 or 3/6 my winrate is always higher and the games are always softer. As a result, I make money easier, have less stress and can still make more money in an hour than most people will make in their working week. Even when I'm playing badly, I still have a small edge on most of the regulars.

I'm perfectly content with the lifestyle I have. I've the freedom to travel anywhere in the world at any time I wish. I can do what I want every day of the week and never have to work when i dont want to. And best of all, I'm extremely happy.

I don't aspire to play any nosebleed stake games. I don't aspire to play and win an EPT or the WSOP or to get sponsored by PPP. Are these inhibitors to my success in poker? I certainly don't think so.

Iago · 07-04-2008 09:11AM

58o wrote: »

QFT. If only our young hopes at The WSOP, would go on a rigorous, spartan physical excercise regime, the bracelets would start flowing in. Sure thats the the little known secret behind Greg raymers success in 2004. Its all making sense now.

If you don't have the mental discipline in any game or sport you'll never get consistent results. It's not about being young or old, or anything else. How many times have people posted here about how they weren't feeling in the right frame of mind but played anyway and lost?

Poker is mentally challenging if you have full focus and are on your top game. The WSOP is supposed to be the pinnacle of that from a tournament point of view, how anybody feels they will do well when they've been out until 3-4 the night before is beyond me.

"Win or lose we'll have had a good time" has been the motto of every unsuccessful team in history, I'm not criticising anyone, but you'll never succeed unless you put the effort and sacrifices in.

Hitman Actual · 07-04-2008 11:15AM

Flipper wrote:

The fact of the matter is that most players on here can't even beat what are without doubt, some of the softest live cash games in the whole world.

Are you saying that most posters on here don't have an edge in live cash games in Ireland? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Flipper wrote:

Many of the posters on Boards are whiners, complainers and gossipers and these are the very people that have in their own very special way, hampered the growth of poker in Ireland.

dagunman wrote:

I find it ironic in away that I am posting on baords about this as I have long been of the opinion that boards is one of the elements which is holding back the development of a lot of players.

Two interesting quotes with no substance to back it up. Care to expand, both of you?

ditpoker · 07-04-2008 11:33AM

generally irish standard is poor. having dealt at to alot of players from alot of places in alot of varied buy ins there have been only a handful of Irish players who even I would be worried about playing against and im rubbish. generally speaking even some of the better irish players are the value in these bigger games/tournaments imo.

The Al Lad · 07-04-2008 11:46AM

nicnicnic wrote: »

most of the best players in the world have serious coke habits, it is almost impossible to get quality coke in ireland, to compeat at the highest level young irish players should move to south america or miami

Never mind coke, Adderral is the way forward

nicnicnic wrote: »

were sh!t at soccer to

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NickyOD wrote: »

If you take the overall number of consistent winners worldwide at 5-10+ online and take Ireland's population into account then I don't think we are too far off our fair share and it's BS that there are only around 10 players. There are a lot of online winners who just like to keep to themselves and I know several.

Agreed, but I think people think that if they're not a boardsie or don't post on boards then they don't exist or aren't any good. In the thread a week or two ago it asked who the best players (non pro) were. Nearly every name mentioned was a boardsie, THERE IS PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T POST ON BOARDS AND THOSE PLAYERS ARE BETTER THAN YOU. I know alot of people who beat online cash but don't post here basically cos it's a little click and they couldn't be arsed with the lick arseness that goes on here

dagunman wrote: »

I find it ironic in away that I am posting on baords about this as I have long been of the opinion that boards is one of the elements which is holding back the development of a lot of players. Ppl come on here and say x is great and y is great, when in reality there prob v average players and barely breaking even.

This form seems spilt between ppl who are happy to except were just bad and thats it , and others who think were gods gift to poker.

Thats basically my point above

Flipper wrote: »

Many of the posters on Boards are whiners, complainers and gossipers and these are the very people that have in their own very special way, hampered the growth of poker in Ireland.

And again my point, if half them put more thought into playing than coming on here and moaning...well who knows.......

Hitman Actual · 07-04-2008 12:21PM

@The Al Lad:
That's all you've got as to why Boards is holding back Irish poker? Compelling argument.

FWIW, those 'best player' threads are beyond stupid anyway, imo.

Theresalwaysone · 07-04-2008 12:26PM

Al lad, just because you were picked up on some fundamental mistakes before and didn't like it does not mean boards is a clique or full of crap players.

If you had taken the advice on board etc it would have improved your game and so the point of this forum validated.

Mr.Plough · 07-04-2008 12:28PM

The_Troll_Lad wrote:

Agreed, but I think people think that if they're not a boardsie or don't post on boards then they don't exist or aren't any good. In the thread a week or two ago it asked who the best players (non pro) were. Nearly every name mentioned was a boardsie, THERE IS PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T POST ON BOARDS AND THOSE PLAYERS ARE BETTER THAN YOU. I know alot of people who beat online cash but don't post here basically cos it's a little click and they couldn't be arsed with the lick arseness that goes on here

Obviously people who post on boards will know more good players who are on boards rather than players who arn't, so I don't see what your point is other than another troll attempt. You know players who crush who don't post here and are better, well done. How are the posters here going to know them unless they reg the live scene frequently? And I'm pretty sure that most of the posters here play more online then they do live.

Mr.Plough · 07-04-2008 12:30PM

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Al lad, just because you were picked up on some fundamental mistakes before and didn't like it does not mean boards is a clique or full of crap players.

If you had taken the advice on board etc it would have improved your game and so the point of this forum validated.

Lol so true. He was a pretty good poster who commented on HH's and posted up hands occasionally. Then when he gets some criticism and he grows 2 extra salt and vinegars on his shoulders and gos around with a vendetta against the "boards click", as he put it.

The Al Lad · 07-04-2008 12:44PM

lenny_leonard wrote: »

@The Al Lad:
That's all you've got as to why Boards is holding back Irish poker? Compelling argument.

FWIW, those 'best player' threads are beyond stupid anyway, imo.

I'm not saying boards is holding back Irish poker, i just said there is more good poker players around that DON'T post here

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Al lad, just because you were picked up on some fundamental mistakes before and didn't like it does not mean boards is a clique or full of crap players.

If you had taken the advice on board etc it would have improved your game and so the point of this forum validated.

That was advive I was getting from guys who dominate .10/.20c can't believe I didn't take there advice serioiusly, I stopped posting in that thread after 2 of them PM'd me to apologise

Mr.Plough wrote: »

Obviously people who post on boards will know more good players who are on boards rather than players who arn't, so I don't see what your point is other than another troll attempt. You know players who crush who don't post here and are better, well done. How are the posters here going to know them unless they reg the live scene frequently? And I'm pretty sure that most of the posters here play more online then they do live.

Loads of boards posters are live players and play live quite a bit around the Irish poker scene, it's fairly obvious from the threads that are started. And if they are only online players, why are they commenting on the best live players around if they don't know them.

Lol at the troll attempt comment.

Mr.Plough wrote: »

Lol so true. He was a pretty good poster who commented on HH's and posted up hands occasionally. Then when he gets some criticism and he grows 2 extra salt and vinegars on his shoulders and gos around with a vendetta against the "boards click", as he put it.

Lol, criticism from people who take .10/.20c seriously tilts me, I don't have a vendetta against the boards click but the "YES men " on this site also tilt me, I'm not gonna derail the thread so back on topic.

5starpool · 07-04-2008 12:46PM

The Al Lad wrote: »

Agreed, but I think people think that if they're not a boardsie or don't post on boards then they don't exist or aren't any good. In the thread a week or two ago it asked who the best players (non pro) were. Nearly every name mentioned was a boardsie, THERE IS PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T POST ON BOARDS AND THOSE PLAYERS ARE BETTER THAN YOU. I know alot of people who beat online cash but don't post here basically cos it's a little click and they couldn't be arsed with the lick arseness that goes on here

In a thread that specifically disregarded the big ticket players such as Andy Black etc, then the onlyreference point posters here have is people they know, an extremely large part of whom post here. How in the name of hell is someone meant to say "Oh, there is this guy in Limerick who is crushing 25/50 online and he is easily the bst player out there" if no one has ever heard of him? He may well be the best player in the world but for discussion purposes, he is not going to get mentioned if no one has heard of him. Also, I agree with Lenny that they are harld useful threads in the first place, but they pop up occasionally and really harm no one.

Also, as I have mentioned before to several other people who have complained about boards, you are not forced to read or post, and the big x in the top right corner is a handy way out. Demonstrating your 'superiority' by posts such as the above helps no one.

The Al Lad · 07-04-2008 12:56PM

5starpool wrote: »

In a thread that specifically disregarded the big ticket players such as Andy Black etc, then the onlyreference point posters here have is people they know, an extremely large part of whom post here. How in the name of hell is someone meant to say "Oh, there is this guy in Limerick who is crushing 25/50 online and he is easily the bst player out there" if no one has ever heard of him? He may well be the best player in the world but for discussion purposes, he is not going to get mentioned if no one has heard of him. Also, I agree with Lenny that they are harld useful threads in the first place, but they pop up occasionally and really harm no one.

Also, as I have mentioned before to several other people who have complained about boards, you are not forced to read or post, and the big x in the top right corner is a handy way out. Demonstrating your 'superiority' by posts such as the above helps no one.

So noone from boards doesn't know anyone else that plays poker anywhere that doesn't post on boards, cop on will ya

I didn't demonstrate any superiority I just said there is a little click of yes men on here that like to lick each others arses, that is all.

Theresalwaysone · 07-04-2008 01:04PM

The Al Lad wrote: »

That was advive I was getting from guys who dominate .10/.20c can't believe I didn't take there advice serioiusly, I stopped posting in that thread after 2 of them PM'd me to apologise

Lol, criticism from people who take .10/.20c seriously tilts me, I don't have a vendetta against the boards click but the "YES men " on this site also tilt me, I'm not gonna derail the thread so back on topic.

The level you play is rarely indicative of your ability. There are many variables to the ability to play higher levels. You seems too retarded to understand this. Play 50nl for maybe 20k hands and see what your winrate is.

Also, your complete disregard for what is good advice no matter what level the person giving you advice plays at makes you more of a "YES man" than anyone. Only taking advice from players who plays high levels without questioning this advice is retarded.

Random Punter
"you dont want him calling with a ****ty flush draw, so shove it all in"

The_Troll_lad
"what level do you play?"

Random Punter
"5000nl"

The_Troll_Lad
"ZOMG I see the light, it must be right, he plays real high"

In short.... cop yourself on and think for yourself.

5starpool · 07-04-2008 01:12PM

The Al Lad wrote: »

So noone from boards doesn't know anyone else that plays poker anywhere that doesn't post on boards, cop on will ya

I didn't demonstrate any superiority I just said there is a little click of yes men on here that like to lick each others arses, that is all.

Can you not read what I said? Did I say that no one here knows anyone that plays poker that doesn't post here? That is way too much of a generalisation and a total misrepresentation of what I said.

What I did say is that, of the people that replied in the thread, none of them knew (or at least bothered to tell us) about a player unknown to others that had a record that could be stacked up against others mentioned. If you knew of players (you are suggesting you do) that are making a good living from the game and are excellent players, what was stopping you from introducing their names to the mix with examples to back up your point?

NickyOD · 07-04-2008 01:17PM

The Al Lad wrote: »

Agreed, but I think people think that if they're not a boardsie or don't post on boards then they don't exist or aren't any good.

Who thinks that? I think you're just imagining this.

The Al Lad · 07-04-2008 01:18PM

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

The level you play is rarely indicative of your ability. There are many variables to the ability to play higher levels. You seems too retarded to understand this. Play 50nl for maybe 20k hands and see what your winrate is.

Also, your complete disregard for what is good advice no matter what level the person giving you advice plays at makes you more of a "YES man" than anyone. Only taking advice from players who plays high levels without questioning this advice is retarded.

Random Punter
"you dont want him calling with a ****ty flush draw, so shove it all in"

The_Troll_lad
"what level do you play?"

Random Punter
"5000nl"

The_Troll_Lad
"ZOMG I see the light, it must be right, he plays real high"

In short.... cop yourself on and think for yourself.

Wow one HH thread you pick up on and thrive on it, well done good man, and why you editing my SN, you don't see me saying TheresalwaysoneW@nker"

I am thinking for myself it's half the people on here that can't, by Yes men I mean people that come on and just agree with players of a higher level to gain some acknowledgement and recognition from the "better players",

I often have debate's with guys who play higher stakes than me so don't think I just pick on lower stakes players

Have you seen me doing that ??? and when ??? I give my opinion and if ya's don't like it I couldn't give a flying fcuk

Go on tell me my opinion is "ill informed" and I know nothing about poker, I will be devstated

And what levels do you play, you seem to know it all so I'm presuming your killing 5/10 (cent maybe) and rolling in the dough

5starpool · 07-04-2008 01:18PM

Theresalwaysone - Please don't change peoples usernames in order to insult them. Apart from being basically against the rules, in this case it is tantamount to back seat modding. Let us decide if someone is a troll and we will take care of it accordingly if we decide someone is a troll.

Edit: Mr Plough - I have deleted your unhelpful and tbh, almost trollish post. Why did you think that would be a good idea? Please don't post that type of post in this context again.

The above applys to everyone else who might think to post along the same lines as well. Don't let this thread get nasty, it was an interesting one.

Hitman Actual · 07-04-2008 01:25PM

The Al Lad wrote: »

I'm not saying boards is holding back Irish poker, i just said there is more good poker players around that DON'T post here

Fair enough. When you quoted Flipper and dagunman there, it came across that you were agreeing fully with them.

Theresalwaysone · 07-04-2008 01:29PM

The Al Lad wrote: »

Wow one HH thread you pick up on and thrive on it, well done good man, and why you editing my SN, you don't see me saying TheresalwaysoneW@nker"

I am thinking for myself it's half the people on here that can't, by Yes men I mean people that come on and just agree with players of a higher level to gain some acknowledgement and recognition from the "better players",

I often have debate's with guys who play higher stakes than me so don't think I just pick on lower stakes players

Have you seen me doing that ??? and when ??? I give my opinion and if ya's don't like it I couldn't give a flying fcuk

Go on tell me my opinion is "ill informed" and I know nothing about poker, I will be devstated

And what levels do you play, you seem to know it all so I'm presuming your killing 5/10 (cent maybe) and rolling in the dough

Rolling in the dough? pffffffffffffft. I am losing just under 1ptbb/100 at 50nl atm over 14k hands. I have serious leaks in my game and that is why I read here and other forums.

Sorry for changing your username, Mr.Plough did it first and I found it funny. I do think you enjoy stirring the **** tho.

If someone tells you your opinion is ill informed do you question it or just blow it off as them being know it alls? I suspect the latter. That is retarded.

nh wp gg.

back on topic.

The Al Lad · 07-04-2008 01:36PM

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Rolling in the dough? pffffffffffffft. I am losing just under 1ptbb/100 at 50nl atm over 14k hands. I have serious leaks in my game and that is why I read here and other forums.

Sorry for changing your username, Mr.Plough did it first and I found it funny. I do think you enjoy stirring the **** tho.

If someone tells you your opinion is ill informed do you question it or just blow it off as them being know it alls? I suspect the latter. That is retarded.

nh wp gg.

back on topic.

Yeah cos it's MY opinion, so I'm gonna change my mindset on the say-so of some one I don't even know ???

And yeah get back on topic there

Irish Poker, where do we stand?

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