Man Utd in 99 + Beckham is crap thread

LegacyUser · 04-04-2008 02:59PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yo, whats the beef man? The soccer forum would be a pretty empty place if playing football at premiership and international level became a pre requisite posting requirement. To use that angle as a means of arguing against his posts is ridiculous - and smacks of a high degree of academic immaturity.

My point was that the managers of the clubs i.e. Ferguson and Capello who managed Beckham are nothing short of genius in their chosen career path...that's my point and that is why it is relevant...because they both think he was a world class player....and he has the credentials too. Won tons of stuff, 100 caps for his country...and is now in the US making millions from his career as a footballer...

And their opinion is held a lot higher than NTL Bell who is saying that Beckham was not a great player...I think that is a crock of ****.

04-04-2008 03:02PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yo, whats the beef man? The soccer forum would be a pretty empty place if playing football at premiership and international level became a pre requisite posting requirement. To use that angle as a means of arguing against his posts is ridiculous - and smacks of a high degree of academic immaturity.

Its not that. Its the way Mr NTLBell is trying to ridicule Beckham. Its one thing to not rate him, but his posts stink of something more sinister, bordering on rabid jealousy.

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:32PM

cheesedude wrote: »

Oh I know that...but what's your footballing CV like? Have you played for Manchester United as a key player for years? Have you moved to the biggest club in the i.e. Real Madrid and played there successfully? No? Didn't think so...

So instead of being jealous of his looks and what he might do to your bird if he CHOSE to, would you mind focusing on reality a bit because as it stands, your looking ****ed in the head.

My CV is hot

Shamrock rovers up to under 13's methinks.

Under 11's IIRC played 20 won 20 conceaded 0 we was teh awsome.

I don't understand what it has to do with anything tho?

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:34PM

cheesedude wrote: »

My point was that the managers of the clubs i.e. Ferguson and Capello who managed Beckham are nothing short of genius in their chosen career path...that's my point and that is why it is relevant...because they both think he was a world class player....and he has the credentials too. Won tons of stuff, 100 caps for his country...and is now in the US making millions from his career as a footballer...

And their opinion is held a lot higher than NTL Bell who is saying that Beckham was not a great player...I think that is a crock of ****.

Well didn't the genuis Fergie give beckham a bang of a boot for being a moron and send him on his way?

You're right genuis.

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not that. Its the way Mr NTLBell is trying to ridicule Beckham. Its one thing to not rate him, but his posts stink of something more sinister, bordering on rabid jealousy.

I see, and why would I be jealous of Gary? his rocking good looks?

Super star gf?

I'm too old to even feel jealously

04-04-2008 04:39PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Well didn't the genuis Fergie give beckham a bang of a boot for being a moron and send him on his way?

You're right genuis.

He was gotten rid of because of the bandwagon and baggage that his celebrity brought, nothing to do with his football abilities.

Seriously mate, just admit u have a probelm with Beckham himself and stop tryin to hide behind so called footballing reasons. The way u have described his inadequacies in football, while trying to blatantly make fun of the guy have shown this to me already tbh. U made fun of his voice etc etc, since when does that make u a rubbish footballer?

Im not saying he was a great, he was a very good player for me. But if we were to listen to u we'd believe that he was equivalent to Emile Heskey and only got to where he is based on what he looks like. Which, lets be honest, is bull****.

Bubs101 · 04-04-2008 04:39PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Well didn't the genuis Fergie give beckham a bang of a boot for being a moron and send him on his way?

You're right genuis.

Because Fergie was to set in his ways to admit that Beckham could mix a succesful football career while courting the celeb limelight like he did.

Personally I think Beckham was a great player twice. Great for around 3 seasons at Man Utd and then fantastic in his last 6 months at Real after Fabio had insulted him for agreeing to play in LA and refused to play him again.

Great character

04-04-2008 04:41PM

ntlbell wrote: »

I see, and why would I be jealous of Gary? his rocking good looks?

Super star gf?

I'm too old to even feel jealously

I didnt realsie Beckhams first name was Gary.

I must know nothing :rolleyes:

Ah one is never too old too feel jealousy but sometimes one is clearly too old to make rational judgements on players abilities

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I didnt realsie Beckhams first name was Gary.

I must know nothing :rolleyes:

Ur clearly too old to make ratiopnal judgements on payers too :P

I said gary as i also said he was average so i must be crazy jealous of him to by your thinking?

Beckham is hot, I would do him. but I wouldn't have him in a sunday league pub team.

he's too soft.

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:44PM

Bubs101 wrote: »

Because Fergie was to set in his ways to admit that Beckham could mix a succesful football career while courting the celeb limelight like he did.

Personally I think Beckham was a great player twice. Great for around 3 seasons at Man Utd and then fantastic in his last 6 months at Real after Fabio had insulted him for agreeing to play in LA and refused to play him again.

Great character

This doesn't make sense how can the best or one of the most successful mangers be stuck in his ways?

How can he be a genuis if he got such a simple thing like bechkham walzing around in his boxers on tv let him affect his judgment?

Something doesn't add up.

04-04-2008 04:45PM

ntlbell wrote: »

I said gary as i also said he was average so i must be crazy jealous of him to by your thinking?

Beckham is hot, I would do him. but I wouldn't have him in a sunday league pub team.

he's too soft.

Well when u resort to making fun of the guys vopice in a debate over his footballing skills....

04-04-2008 04:46PM

ntlbell wrote: »

This doesn't make sense how can the best or one of the most successful mangers be stuck in his ways?

How can he be a genuis if he got such a simple thing like bechkham walzing around in his boxers on tv let him affect his judgment?

Something doesn't add up.

TOO-BIG-FOR-THE-TEAM

Nalz · 04-04-2008 04:46PM

LOOK

BECKHAM WAS GREAT FOR UNITED FOR 3 OR 4 SEASONS

SCORING AND CREATING ALOT OF GOALS

SURE HE'S MADE MONEY AND BROADCASTED HIS PRIVATE LIFE, AND THIS GETS ON SOME PPLS TITS (so does that sayin by the way) BUT FAIR PLAY TO HIM. WHATEVER FLOATS HIS BOAT. LETS DISCUSS HIS FOOTBALL. AFTER ALL, HE DOESNT GO AROUND KNOCKIN PPL ABOUT LIKE JOEY BARTON OR ANYTHIN LIKE THAT.

ALL THIS CANNOT BE DENIED AND IMO THAT MAKES HIM A VERY GOOD FOOTBALLER, A PART OF MANCHESTER UNITEDS HISTORY, AND A PLAYER THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED IMMENSELY TO HOW AND WHAT THEY ARE LIKE TODAY. A GREAT CLUB

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He was gotten rid of because of the bandwagon and baggage that his celebrity brought, nothing to do with his football abilities.

Seriously mate, just admit u have a probelm with Beckham himself and stop tryin to hide behind so called footballing reasons. The way u have described his inadequacies in football, while trying to blatantly make fun of the guy have shown this to me already tbh. U made fun of his voice etc etc, since when does that make u a rubbish footballer?

Im not saying he was a great, he was a very good player for me. But if we were to listen to u we'd believe that he was equivalent to Emile Heskey and only got to where he is based on what he looks like. Which, lets be honest, is bull****.

So how is fergie a genuis if his judgment is clouded so easiliy?

His funny voice doesn't make him a bad footballer it just makes him funny.

What has heskey got to do with anything? different type of players.

both had big balls tho. just one was golden :rolleyes:

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

TOO-BIG-FOR-THE-TEAM

But but, he was such a good profesional how could he get too big for the team?

is this a flaw?

oh my..the truth starts to come out now..tell us more.

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 04:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well when u resort to making fun of the guys vopice in a debate over his footballing skills....

I didn't say his voice made him a bad footballer i asked someone else was it his sexy voice they were attracted to

see the difference?

invincibleirish · 04-04-2008 05:02PM

I didnt bother to read the whole thread, but heres my 2 cents: Man Utd winnig the CL in 1999 was epic, it was a great footballing story, winning the treble methinks confirmed them as the best team in Europe that season.

I dont think winning the CL automatically makes you the best team in Europe (LFC 2005 being the control here)

But the style and manner in which Utd dominated in 1999 did.

Dwight Yorke is still a muppet though.

ntlbell · 04-04-2008 05:05PM

invincibleirish wrote: »

I didnt bother to read the whole thread, but heres my 2 cents: Man Utd winnig the CL in 1999 was epic, it was a great footballing story, winning the treble methinks confirmed them as the best team in Europe that season.

As i stated at the start, the night itself to this day remains one of the happiest and most memorable nights of my life and i don't think it will ever be matched again.

this is not in question.

Nalz · 04-04-2008 05:08PM

anyone got a key for this?

cm2000 · 04-04-2008 05:18PM

I think Beckham was a great player and is still a good player. his ability to set up goals in his prime was second to none. a little reminder http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gig9p0kGA1o

invincibleirish · 04-04-2008 05:42PM

Beckham had lots of assists, anyone care to dig em up? he isnt C. Ronaldo and he isnt Giggs, he was Beckham, lethal from Free kicks and accurate in his crossing, sure the showbiz side of him did more then anything else to tarnish his football reputation, but he was a key part of the 1999 treble team, that cannot be disputed.

Unearthly · 04-04-2008 05:44PM

The hate Beckham bandwagon is so dull

He was a fantastic player and servent for Man Utd. Simple as that

Mitch Connor · 04-04-2008 06:22PM

ntlbell wrote: »

what work rate? chasing back when tries to beat his man knowing full well he's awful at trying to go past any decent defender and kicking fresh air?

Making up for your lack of ability like that awful liverpool defender with "great work rate" having to do more to make up for your lack of skills is not work rate.

Look we can go around and around with this argument for ever.

You liked him

Me and huge amount of manchester don't.

Football is great isn't it.

By the time he left United i didn't like him - his form seriously dipped massively after 99, and by the time he left he was a mere shadow of who he had been in a United shirt. However, in 99, he was awesome.

Also, I note how you didn't pick up on the dead ball/passing/crossing. Man, creativity is SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO over-rated in a midfielder - they simply can't be great if they can't dribble. Poor Fabregas, doomed to be average - all he has is wonderful vision and passing, his dribbling isn't up to scratch at all, Arsenal should just sell him now. Xavi too - forget about wonderful passing, control and movement - his dribbling isn't brilliant so forget him.

Not liking someone is very different to ignoring their ability. I freaking hate Lampard, Gerrard, Ashley Cole and many others - i can still see they have great footballing qualities.

Mad_Max · 04-04-2008 06:32PM

cm2000 wrote: »

I think Beckham was a great player and is still a good player. his ability to set up goals in his prime was second to none. a little reminder http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gig9p0kGA1o

That vid was brilliant. Some of his crosses were so damn good that a child could have put them away. AND did anyone see him skinning a barca defender at the start.. who said he never went by a player

Seriosuly though saying he wasn't a good player is silly imo. You can have a pop at him for certain parts of his game (and not his lifestyle) but what he was good at he was GREAT at.

Pepe LeFrits · 04-04-2008 06:37PM

Has there been another player whose reputation in the public consciousness has wavered as much as Beckham's? Rollercoaster from start to finish.

I think his reputation is leveling out at an accurate level now. He was underrated for quite a while, after a period of being overrated.

Terrific player in his pomp, and a terrific person too, imo.

dc69 · 04-04-2008 06:39PM

i think beckham is abused by alot of people for no reason,I was delighted when he got his 100th cap and im a Liverpool fan!

Mad_Max · 04-04-2008 06:46PM

find any other player who has at least 7 and a half minutes (im sure theres more) of unbelievable free kicks like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-r3h5GP_wSA&feature=related
and i'd be pretty sure that they'd be considered great.

Mitch Connor · 04-04-2008 06:48PM

Mad_Max wrote: »

find any other player who has at least 7 and a half minutes (im sure theres more) of unbelievable free kicks like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-r3h5GP_wSA&feature=related
and i'd be pretty sure that they'd be considered great.

but he wasn't a great dribbler - that is apparently the mark of a great player.

PHB · 04-04-2008 06:51PM

He was a fine dribbler, it's just he was slow as ****.

smemon · 04-04-2008 06:59PM

ntlbell, name a great side in your lifetime, in your opinion...

Man Utd in 99 + Beckham is crap thread

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